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Scott Wilkinson 01-05-2017 10:03 PM

Sony UBP-X800 UHD Blu-ray Player at CES 2017
 
The Sony UBP-X800 UHD Blu-ray player offers Bluetooth for headphones and high-res audio capabilities—but no Dolby Vision.

https://www.avsforum.com/sony-ubp-x80...r-at-ces-2017/

JKR1963 01-06-2017 12:33 AM

Scott, did you specifically ask if will be upgraded to Dolby Vision or only "does it ship with Dolby Vision". I really can't see how it could not include Dolby Vision when their TV's do. If this is true, whoever decided that should be fired right away.....that is definitely a terrible business plan. We already know that the disc's are coming for sure and Sony has waited this long to bring out a player!!


Did you happen to get a look at the remote? It would be nice if they supplied a proper Oppo or Panasonic 900 type remote.

Skunkbeard 01-06-2017 02:01 AM

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The Sony Ultra app would be a wishlist for this.

goksucats 01-06-2017 08:44 AM

Nice... this is the one I'm going to keep my eye on. So these devices claim they stream in 4K. But will it also stream in HDR so I can stop using the built in apps on the TV?

NorthSky 01-06-2017 11:26 AM


ack_bk 01-06-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JKR1963 (Post 49615953)
Scott, did you specifically ask if will be upgraded to Dolby Vision or only "does it ship with Dolby Vision". I really can't see how it could not include Dolby Vision when their TV's do. If this is true, whoever decided that should be fired right away.....that is definitely a terrible business plan. We already know that the disc's are coming for sure and Sony has waited this long to bring out a player!!


Did you happen to get a look at the remote? It would be nice if they supplied a proper Oppo or Panasonic 900 type remote.

I believe the only TV's Sony announced having Dolby Vision on was their new OLED TV's and maybe their highest end LCD? That means their highest sellers and cheaper TV's won't.

Still seems odd that their player will not support it considering it will likely cost more than LG, Philips, and probably Oppo who all will support it.

JKR1963 01-06-2017 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ack_bk (Post 49631697)
I believe the only TV's Sony announced having Dolby Vision on was their new OLED TV's and maybe their highest end LCD? That means their highest sellers and cheaper TV's won't.

Still seems odd that their player will not support it considering it will likely cost more than LG, Philips, and probably Oppo who all will support it.



I bet it is $399 to $499 US......the Sony guys in some of the video's say it will be well priced. I agree the lack of support for Dolby Vision at this point is extremely stupid.

Jerry Bruckheimer Fan 01-06-2017 01:01 PM

The lack of Dolby Vision is quite surprising considering their new TVs have it, like Scott mentioned. Sony has been kind of disappointing in general in the last 6 months, with their PS4 Pro not even supporting 4K UHD blu-rays at all, to now this. I would have thought that if you hold out on your PS4 Pro in order to deliver on your standalone player, then at least have your standalone player come out with a bang and not a whimper. LOL!!! I'll be looking elsewhere for my next 4K UHD blu-ray player.

aaronwt 01-06-2017 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bruckheimer Fan (Post 49634897)
The lack of Dolby Vision is quite surprising considering their new TVs have it, like Scott mentioned. Sony has been kind of disappointing in general in the last 6 months, with their PS4 Pro not even supporting 4K UHD blu-rays at all, to now this. I would have thought that if you hold out on your PS4 Pro in order to deliver on your standalone player, then at least have your standalone player come out with a bang and not a whimper. LOL!!! I'll be looking elsewhere for my next 4K UHD blu-ray player.

Only a few of their new TVs will have DOlby VIsion. Specifically the ones with the X1 Extreme processor. The 930, 940, and Z series LCD. And their OLED TVs. The other TVs with HDR will have HDR10. The ones without the EXtreme processor.

cigga24 01-06-2017 02:42 PM

Can someone explain to me if any UHD player supports Dolby Vision will the disc features work on a tv that doesn't support DV like my KS8000?


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Jerry Bruckheimer Fan 01-06-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cigga24 (Post 49639041)
Can someone explain to me if any UHD player supports Dolby Vision will the disc features work on a tv that doesn't support DV like my KS8000?


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I'm pretty sure your TV would need to also be able to do Dolby Vision. So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. In order to get Dolby Vision on a 4K blu-ray, you'll need 1. A 4K blu-ray player that does Dolby Vision, 2. AV receiver or pre-pro that can pass through at least HDMI 2.0a, 3. A TV that can receive Dolby Vision signal, and 4. 4K blu-ray movies on a disc that are encoded with Dolby Vision.

pearsco 01-06-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cigga24 (Post 49639041)
Can someone explain to me if any UHD player supports Dolby Vision will the disc features work on a tv that doesn't support DV like my KS8000?


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Any UHD discs that have DV will also have a required HDR10 as a "base layer". So as long as your TV is HDR10 capable you will get some flavor of HDR from the disc. However this is not the same for streamed content, it can be either DV or HDR10 not required to support both.

cigga24 01-06-2017 05:49 PM

Thanks I was hoping that wasn't the case though but so be it. The ks8000 looks so good and I got burned by an LG before and didn't want to go that route again.


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Lazarus Dark 01-06-2017 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JKR1963 (Post 49615953)
Scott, did you specifically ask if will be upgraded to Dolby Vision or only "does it ship with Dolby Vision". I really can't see how it could not include Dolby Vision when their TV's do. If this is true, whoever decided that should be fired right away.....that is definitely a terrible business plan. We already know that the disc's are coming for sure and Sony has waited this long to bring out a player!!


Did you happen to get a look at the remote? It would be nice if they supplied a proper Oppo or Panasonic 900 type remote.

This is the same Sony that didn't put UHD BD in their "premium" PS4 Pro, while Microsoft put it in a console refresh. So... actually consistent with their current strategies.

JKR1963 01-06-2017 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark (Post 49645033)
This is the same Sony that didn't put UHD BD in their "premium" PS4 Pro, while Microsoft put it in a console refresh. So... actually consistent with their current strategies.


I hope not! I would like to get this unit as it is "Oppo Like" with SACD, DVD AUDIO and it would be a good player to have around.....if it has DV.........maybe even without DV if it ends up getting real cheap later in it's life cycle.

theoone 01-09-2017 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bruckheimer Fan (Post 49639745)
I'm pretty sure your TV would need to also be able to do Dolby Vision. So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong. In order to get Dolby Vision on a 4K blu-ray, you'll need 1. A 4K blu-ray player that does Dolby Vision, 2. AV receiver or pre-pro that can pass through at least HDMI 2.0a, 3. A TV that can receive Dolby Vision signal, and 4. 4K blu-ray movies on a disc that are encoded with Dolby Vision.

Agreed! that is exactly what you need.

theoone 01-09-2017 05:02 PM

SONY if you want to be the great company you once used to be then start listening to your customers. to be ahead all other companies so bring out the UHD player that YOU SOULD HAVE DONE. Add Dolby vision

robert ham 01-10-2017 08:05 PM

Close!!!
 
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 (Post 49631857)
I bet it is $399 to $499 US......the Sony guys in some of the video's say it will be well priced. I agree the lack of support for Dolby Vision at this point is extremely stupid.

Sony's high end player today is the UHP‑H1 Smart Blu‑ray Player ‑ 4K ‑ Wi‑Fi and that sells all over the Internet for $350.00.. The new UBP-X800 has many of the same features and looks similar in size and shape.. That being said, a price of $399 might be just right for Sony.. Samsung players are now down to the $300 range and Panasonic will probably start to drop prices with the introduction of all the competition.. The Dolby Vision issue is something Sony has indicated they were not that interested in doing right now.. The one thing I cant find out, probably till the operational manual is available is, will the X800 Up Convert regular BluRay movies to 3D like my $99 Sony does today??? Also, yes two HDMI outputs, Video and Audio but my $2000 Yamaha Receiver can do all the HDR processing, so I would want to be able to send Both Audio and Video over a single HDMI cable.. So hopefully the menu section will allow you to do that??? 2 Questions that need answering for me so far..

robert ham 01-10-2017 08:22 PM

A good review on HDR10-Dolby Vision
 
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Originally Posted by theoone (Post 49736961)
SONY if you want to be the great company you once used to be then start listening to your customers. to be ahead all other companies so bring out the UHD player that YOU SOULD HAVE DONE. Add Dolby vision

This is a 10 month old article, but will help explain why Sony and Samsung decided not to go with Dolby Vision... Based on the news out of the 2017 CES, I think most of this is still relevant today!

https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-visi...tv-format-war/

JKR1963 01-10-2017 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by robert ham (Post 49776145)
This is a 10 month old article, but will help explain why Sony and Samsung decided not to go with Dolby Vision... Based on the news out of the 2017 CES, I think most of this is still relevant today!

https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-visi...tv-format-war/


Actually Sony's 2 new upper LCD's including the 75" X940E and their OLED's will have Dolby Vision. The current top of the line Z9D will be upgraded with Dolby Vision through firmware. This is why it seems so strange that their mainstream 4K player will not be DV compatible?


Also, maybe their ES player will be DV compatible.........or else they must want their customers to play DV 4K disc's with competitor players!

theoone 01-11-2017 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by robert ham (Post 49776145)
This is a 10 month old article, but will help explain why Sony and Samsung decided not to go with Dolby Vision... Based on the news out of the 2017 CES, I think most of this is still relevant today!

https://www.cnet.com/news/dolby-visi...tv-format-war/

"This is a 10 month old article" that is my point! then why incorporate Dolby Vision in there new line of tv's?

ggw2000 01-11-2017 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by robert ham (Post 49775697)
Also, yes two HDMI outputs, Video and Audio but my $2000 Yamaha Receiver can do all the HDR processing, so I would want to be able to send Both Audio and Video over a single HDMI cable.. So hopefully the menu section will allow you to do that??? 2 Questions that need answering for me so far..

All (IIRC) UHD players are coming out with 2 HDMI outputs, one provides Video/Audio and the other supports Audio only. The reason for this is to support "legacy" AVRs that cannot pass 4K or 4K/HDR. You do not have to use the Audio HDMI if you have a compliant AVR (as I guess you do)..
Gerry

robert ham 01-11-2017 07:03 AM

Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by ggw2000 (Post 49780297)
All (IIRC) UHD players are coming out with 2 HDMI outputs, one provides Video/Audio and the other supports Audio only. The reason for this is to support "legacy" AVRs that cannot pass 4K or 4K/HDR. You do not have to use the Audio HDMI if you have a compliant AVR (as I guess you do)..
Gerry

OK, Got It!! :-)

robert ham 01-11-2017 07:09 AM

Interesting
 
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Originally Posted by JKR1963 (Post 49777881)
Actually Sony's 2 new upper LCD's including the 75" X940E and their OLED's will have Dolby Vision. The current top of the line Z9D will be upgraded with Dolby Vision through firmware. This is why it seems so strange that their mainstream 4K player will not be DV compatible?


Also, maybe their ES player will be DV compatible.........or else they must want their customers to play DV 4K disc's with competitor players!

Yes, a bit confusing for sure.. Maybe Sony felt at this point the added cost for Dolby Visions Chip and Copy rights was not warranted to allow them to keep the cost point competitive?? If Sony prices it right, then it probably wont matter if it does not have it.. But if is priced, say at the same price as Panasonic Player, I think it will do Dolby vision with a software upgrade, then the choice becomes easier at that point to future proof it. We should no more around April-May.

ack_bk 01-11-2017 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by robert ham (Post 49783273)
Yes, a bit confusing for sure.. Maybe Sony felt at this point the added cost for Dolby Visions Chip and Copy rights was not warranted to allow them to keep the cost point competitive?? If Sony prices it right, then it probably wont matter if it does not have it.. But if is priced, say at the same price as Panasonic Player, I think it will do Dolby vision with a software upgrade, then the choice becomes easier at that point to future proof it. We should no more around April-May.

That fact that Philips is releasing a $299 MSRP DV BD player this summer finds it hard to believe that the cost of DV is impacting Sony's ability to deliver a player at a $399 and under price point. LG is also going to sell a DV UHD player soon and street price is under $300 on it for pre-orders.

amblinfan 01-12-2017 12:40 PM

Guess I just don't care about Dolby Vision for disc based content as no one has yet said how this will be implemented. No way the hdr10 and dolby vision content fit on the same disc so how are they packaged? One disc for HDR10 and another for Dolby Vision? Stand alone DV release? Both discs in one package instead of BluRay HD disc? HDR10 is the standard and I get why they don' t feel it's the way to go. I like the player and for 150 less than the Opposite (399 confirmed) then i'm all for Sony and their solid players.

aaronwt 01-12-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by amblinfan (Post 49827505)
Guess I just don't care about Dolby Vision for disc based content as no one has yet said how this will be implemented. No way the hdr10 and dolby vision content fit on the same disc so how are they packaged? One disc for HDR10 and another for Dolby Vision? Stand alone DV release? Both discs in one package instead of BluRay HD disc? HDR10 is the standard and I get why they don' t feel it's the way to go. I like the player and for 150 less than the Opposite (399 confirmed) then i'm all for Sony and their solid players.

It will be on the same disc. A disc that has Dolby Vision is also required to include HDR10 on the same disc.

Including the DV layer supposedly only increases the bitrate by 20 to 25%.

Marc Alexander 01-16-2017 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerry Bruckheimer Fan (Post 49634897)
The lack of Dolby Vision is quite surprising considering their new TVs have it, like Scott mentioned. Sony has been kind of disappointing in general in the last 6 months, with their PS4 Pro not even supporting 4K UHD blu-rays at all, to now this. I would have thought that if you hold out on your PS4 Pro in order to deliver on your standalone player, then at least have your standalone player come out with a bang and not a whimper. LOL!!! I'll be looking elsewhere for my next 4K UHD blu-ray player.

This! ^^^

I bought both the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One S this past holiday season. I respect Sony's decision to focus on gaming and not media on the PS4 consoles. While I was disappointed that there is no access to Sony Ultra streaming on the PS4 Pro, I was all in when I read about the UBD-X800.

I don't recall Sony supporting DVD-A in a product ever before. Looking at the wide format support the UBD looks like the ultimate universal media player, beating Oppo at their own game. I just assumed Dolby Vision was a given. Reading that it not was a WTF moment for me (still is).

I would really love to have access to the Sony Ultra streaming but without Dolby Vision they won't be getting a dime from me on this player.

I sure hope they are able find a way to add DV to the X800. I will be sorely disappointed if they have to release a UBD-Z900 in June to include DV. I'll be sticking with the XB1S for now. I'll be watching LG's and Philips' offerings but all the while hoping that Sony comes to its senses. I already purchased a LG OLED65E6P instead of waiting on Sony due to the exclusion of 3D.

seainc 01-23-2017 06:44 PM

Anyone knows when it will be available in the US?

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SLYDoggie 01-23-2017 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by seainc (Post 50152457)
Anyone knows when it will be available in the US?

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To my knowledge all Sony has said at this point is "Spring". I guess "Spring" can be a pretty wide swath but I would guess March/April... More likely April.


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