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@PioManiac , first my apologies to you sir. I've read you clear and detailed now. I fully respect your wishes.

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I'm rewatching Deadpool and I don't know how the Oppo can be sharper than this. If it is I think it might be too sharp.
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My Oppo 203 has remained unopened since purchase over a month ago. I have debated returning it the entire time. The posts you guys are now making has me really tempted on opening it.
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My Oppo 203 has remained unopened since purchase over a month ago. I have debated returning it the entire time. The posts you guys are now making has me really tempted on opening it.
Why???? You can check it out and still return it if it doesn't meet your requirements. You will always second guess yourself if you send it back without seeing for yourself what it can do. There's no better way to make your mind up then try it out.
I've a gut feeling you will want to keep it if you do. I expect a new firmware soon and it may have the improved HDR>SDR performance that many here have been hoping for. Not sure if that's an important feature for you or not.
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My Oppo 203 has remained unopened since purchase over a month ago. I have debated returning it the entire time. The posts you guys are now making has me really tempted on opening it.
Gee you got some self control...
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Question: I've read someone saying this earlier today; "Aside from following the instructions that Oppo support provided, I'll make another suggestion:
Never hit "eject" while a BD is playing. Always hit "stop" first, then eject after the disc is unloaded."


Any special reason why?

I had spinners since the mid 80s and I never had a problem pressing 'Eject' while a disc was spinning, including from my Oppo 103 player; Blu-ray, CD, SACD, 3D BR, DVD-Audio...
Is the 203 different than the billions of disc spinners out there? Is this a preventive precaution?
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Technically there have been 2 FW, 1st Came on a disc, then 1229.

Why waste $ on more cheap stuff, it's like challenging a dragon with a pocket knife.

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For those who own Deep Water Horizon UHD look at chapter 3 (14 minutes & 22 seconds) Mark Wahlberg's facial/cheek is shaper on the OPPO than Panny using just default values. Yes, I also took a photo of both for my own personal comparison afterwards. It's only one scene so just take that as my own opinion only.

I'm really impressed w/ Panny's sharpness adjustment luma high & mid frequency if your not afraid to use it. As for OPPO sadly UHD you can't even adjust sharpness settings.

I wonder if sometimes when we're seeing variations with picture, could this be due to OPPO UHD uses 12 bit 4:2:2 and Panny 12 bit 4:4:4.

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@ Northsky. Watched The Butterflies 3D again and all I have to say is 3D never looked better, cross-talk free, great depth and sharpness and accurate, really can't wish for more. Ahh yes there were no playback issues whatsoever.

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For those who own Deep Water Horizon UHD look at chapter 3 (14 minutes & 22 seconds) Mark Wahlberg's facial/cheek is shaper on the OPPO than Panny using just default values. Yes, I also took a photo of both for my own personal comparison afterwards. It's only one scene so just take that as my own opinion only.

I'm really impressed w/ Panny's sharpness adjustment luma high & mid frequency if your not afraid to use it. As for OPPO sadly UHD you can't even adjust sharpness settings.

I wonder if sometimes when we're seeing variations with picture, could this be due to OPPO UHD uses 12 bit 4:2:2 and Panny 12 bit 4:4:4.
Yeah those sharpening tools can enhance things nicely however they do introduce artifacts a little. I found I used them mostly on 0-1 max but the Oppo seems just as sharp and I don't miss them however when the new 205 enters the market I will surely be upgrading for the 4K Darbee that will be the real deal IMO.

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Yeah however when the new 205 enters the market I will surely be upgrading for the 4K Darbee that will be the real deal IMO.
There's no indication that the 205 will include Darbee.
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@ Northsky. Watched The Butterflies 3D again and all I have to say is 3D never looked better, cross-talk free, great depth and sharpness and accurate, really can't wish for more. Ahh yes there were no playback issues whatsoever.
This is awesome great news; glitch-free 3D playback is essential for me.
I've read somewhere that the 203 is even better than the 103 @ 3D. Thanks a lot man; it means the world to me.

* When you had the Panny 900 did you also check it's 3D prowess?
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This is awesome great news; glitch-free 3D playback is essential for me.
I've read somewhere that the 203 is even better than the 103 @ 3D. Thanks a lot man; it means the world to me.

* When you had the Panny 900 did you also check it's 3D prowess?
No worries, honestly I've never seen 3D look this clean and good. The Panny was excellent too yes but there was a tiny bit of x-talk here and there.
Yeah I love 3D too. Imagine UHD HDR 3D that would awesomeness on steroids.
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No worries, honestly I've never seen 3D look this clean and good. The Panny was excellent too yes but there was a tiny bit of x-talk here and there.
Yeah I love 3D too. Imagine UHD HDR 3D that would awesomeness on steroids.
You should get Butterflies it's reference.
I found it:

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"For the 3D enthusiast, a 203 upgrade produces superior 3D detailing from the 103 and/or 103D (both compared), when it is used with an LG OLED UHD/4K display. Processing power, UHD conversion, & 10 bit Deep Color apparently provide visually-significant 3D rendition when playing Blu-ray 3Ds."

"Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition 3D Stereoscopic calibration and evaluation patterns were used to check 3D resolution adequacy. The UDP 203 passes all visual state-of-the-art tests, including the "Stereoscopic Depth Steps Negative" that is crucial in that Depth squares: -1.5% and Depth squares -1.6% are fully resolved. The Oppo 103 and 103D, @ -1.5% & -1.6% appear at the same Depth square level indicating an inadequate 3D resolution efficiency error.
The UDP 203 fully resolves the 3D in processing performance, becoming visually accurate when playing Blu-ray 3D titles like "The Nightmare Before Christmas 3D", where it now resolves in proper depth, resolving full 3D potential and showing remarkable increases in spacial detail, when compared to the 103/103D's 3D performance."


This is all great news, since I've read Paul's two posts. So when the next firmware update comes up, I'll be patiently waiting to see what it does and fixes.

* UHD HDR 3D would have been the quintessence, the apotheosis, like living on a new 3D galaxy of the vast cosmos from the universe.
...Perhaps in a not too distant planet.

And I will get 'Butterflies' thx a lot sir.
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"For the 3D enthusiast, a 203 upgrade produces superior 3D detailing from the 103 and/or 103D (both compared), when it is used with an LG OLED UHD/4K display. Processing power, UHD conversion, & 10 bit Deep Color apparently provide visually-significant 3D rendition when playing Blu-ray 3Ds."

"Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition 3D Stereoscopic calibration and evaluation patterns were used to check 3D resolution adequacy. The UDP 203 passes all visual state-of-the-art tests, including the "Stereoscopic Depth Steps Negative" that is crucial in that Depth squares: -1.5% and Depth squares -1.6% are fully resolved. The Oppo 103 and 103D, @ -1.5% & -1.6% appear at the same Depth square level indicating an inadequate 3D resolution efficiency error.
The UDP 203 fully resolves the 3D in processing performance, becoming visually accurate when playing Blu-ray 3D titles like "The Nightmare Before Christmas 3D", where it now resolves in proper depth, resolving full 3D potential and showing remarkable increases in spacial detail, when compared to the 103/103D's 3D performance."


This is all great news, since I've read Paul's two posts. So when the next firmware update comes up, I'll be patiently waiting to see what it does and fixes.

* UHD HDR 3D would have been the quintessence, the apotheosis, like living on a new 3D galaxy of the vast cosmos from the universe.
...Perhaps in a not too distant planet.

And I will get 'Butterflies' thx a lot sir.
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So I am not talking crap after all nor it is placebo
No no you're not talking smoke here; I value your comments, very. You're a top contributor here in this thread.
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Well gotta love Oppo support they got back to me in less than a day. This is part of their response:

Thank you for the detailed feedback around the strip metadata function. This feature is still under development, and the performance of it has been improving consistently during the firmware development. Providing engineers with this info enables them to zero in on fine tuning so it can be improved further.

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Can someone with the Oppo or Panny and that has the Deadpool UHD Blu-ray confirm if they see any banding in the reds around the Marvel logo in the intro? Please.

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Yeah those sharpening tools can enhance things nicely however they do introduce artifacts a little. I found I used them mostly on 0-1 max but the Oppo seems just as sharp and I don't miss them however when the new 205 enters the market I will surely be upgrading for the 4K Darbee that will be the real deal IMO.
I agree too sharp of a picture will make the image not look as 3D but just flat. 205 is nice pending on price and I'm not sure if darbee will be a feature until they release more specs.

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Why???? You can check it out and still return it if it doesn't meet your requirements. You will always second guess yourself if you send it back without seeing for yourself what it can do. There's no better way to make your mind up then try it out.
I've a gut feeling you will want to keep it if you do. I expect a new firmware soon and it may have the improved HDR>SDR performance that many here have been hoping for. Not sure if that's an important feature for you or not.
If you do decide to put it through its paces let us know your thoughts.
With all the early issues of the Oppo, including the inability to strip HDR correctly, which I need, and the reports of inferior picture quality to the Panny, I had decided to wait for the Sony X1000es. I may still keep it as a second player if the firmware has improved sufficiently and picture quality is very close to the Panny....in my return window. I would get the Panny but I have no interest in buying a Fury.
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Yes, I have been told that. But in all honesty, I have been undergoing a complex screen upgrade.
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Well gotta love Oppo support they got back to me in less than a day. This is part of their response:

Thank you for the detailed feedback around the strip metadata function. This feature is still under development, and the performance of it has been improving consistently during the firmware development. Providing engineers with this info enables them to zero in on fine tuning so it can be improved further.
What did you tell them? Whenever I submit a report of what I am finding they never say that is helpful. I just get an explanation of why it still isn't working right, that they are working on it, and what they might do. All I really want is for them to pass the info to their developers.
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What did you tell them? Whenever I submit a report of what I am finding they never say that is helpful. I just get an explanation of why it still isn't working right, that they are working on it, and what they might do. All I really want is for them to pass the info to their developers.
It's possible you may get a different response than someone else, possibly by a different representative, or at the time you sent in your report they were bogged down and only had time to deliver the facts, but I can tell you with certainty that they log your issues effectively, and they do go into collective files that the engineers use to develop the firmware.
Oppo has always been and always will be proactive in listening to their customers and trying to make their products the best they can be.
That all probably sounds like a sales pitch, but quite honestly it is just a fact. It's part of their business model.
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What did you tell them? Whenever I submit a report of what I am finding they never say that is helpful. I just get an explanation of why it still isn't working right, that they are working on it, and what they might do. All I really want is for them to pass the info to their developers.
It's possible you may get a different response than someone else, possibly by a different representative, or at the time you sent in your report they were bogged down and only had time to deliver the facts, but I can tell you with certainty that they log your issues effectively, and they do go into collective files that the engineers use to develop the firmware.
Oppo has always been and always will be proactive in listening to their customers and trying to make their products the best they can be.
That all probably sounds like a sales pitch, but quite honestly it is just a fact. It's part of their business model.
Honest question, with no agenda attached - how do you have access to details of the Oppo support process flow?
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Perhaps because he is a beta tester??
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Perhaps because he is a beta tester??
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Honest question, with no agenda attached - how do you have access to details of the Oppo support process flow?
my understanding, and this with interaction with oppo support over some ten years. and confirmed recently again with the 203 is that no matter who you send your issue to it goes to the engineers in china who deal with them. i have this in writing and on record from them. This was particularly important for me to understand given where am located and that we deal through an oppo agent.

as far as responses. I have had some - (us) all via email ...(aus) via phone and email and the local aussie responses have been utterly useless (just sales marketing like). The ones coming from the us have been more explanatory/acknowledging of the issue but strange and non helpful in solutions. though I do have faith the notes and issues do get passed through for consideration by those that will resolve.

my faith in this goes right back to he 95. it was a 3rd gen blu-ray player for oppo at the time and indeed did work. it had none of the kind of issues have seen with the 203. however there was still a bit of a list of items I thought could refine it. I sent this to oppo and got a nice email back thanking and saying they'd take in for consideration. some things they dealt with some they couldnt and got implemented with the 105 when it came out.

so i for one have faith they'll get there. whether with this series or the next....

I do worry for oppo though. I hope this series with all its issues doesnt break them as a company.

keeping in mind a uhd player these days and disc players in general is no small feat these days. companies like marantz/denon nd even pioneer have shied away from even attempting anything in this space right now. and perhaps smartly so !

giants like samsung and panasonic even stumbled on release. fortunately they have got to pretty stable platform and already onto 2nd gen players and like. hopefully this will spur on some of the other players...
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Perhaps because he is a beta tester??
I think that ↑ is the right answer. Dave is one of the contributors in helping and improving people's issues from their Oppo players.
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What did you tell them? Whenever I submit a report of what I am finding they never say that is helpful. I just get an explanation of why it still isn't working right, that they are working on it, and what they might do. All I really want is for them to pass the info to their developers.
Can't ell you all my secrets I gave them a very detailed description of the issues I am encountering in a way that it benefits their development team as well. Maybe that helped.
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Honest question, with no agenda attached - how do you have access to details of the Oppo support process flow?
I have purchased and used Oppo Digital products for many years since they first started making DVD players,
so I have been following their progress and participating in their discussion threads on AVSforum during that time.
With this experience I have gotten to know their products and how they interact with their customers.
I am also a beta test participant for their UDP-203 player.
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