Originally Posted by wxman
I have the LG 65E6, the OPPO 203 and the Panasonic 900. When it comes to upscaling SDR blu ray to 4K, there is absolutely no difference between the 203 and 900. However, I also have the 103D, and prefer that over the 203 and 900 and letting my E6 upscale, because the Darbee effect makes SDR blu ray so much better. Not even close, IMO. When it comes to UHD, I prefer the 203. IMO, it produces a better picture on OLED. I can set the OPPO to 4:4:4 12 bit and have no banding like the Panny does. Sure, I can turn off deep color on the Panny to reduce it, but why should I have to, when it's not required on the OPPO?. I can not tell any difference on which one is "sharper". From 9 feet away from the tv, they look the same. The big selling point is DV HDR, which my E6 can do. The Panny is out in the cold when it comes to that. Am I going to get rid of the panny? No, it's now attached to my 9500, which can not do DV. There is a difference when it comes to sync settings on my AVR. Both setup the same, 4:4:4 12 bit, LPCM, same settings on tv, and the audio sync I have to set my avr with the Panny is 230 ms. The OPPO only requires 70 ms. That's with audio out going directly from player to avr for both, and video going directly to tv.
Why there is such a huge difference, I have no clue.
Both players are good players. Set up properly, they will produce an excellent picture.
Originally Posted by NorthSky
Good post ↑
I always appreciate feedback from everyone. We learn that way; and from replies.
People who want to build the best home theater in UHD visuals and in 3D multichannel sounds and for the best value...they get their knowledge from discussions like these...with comparisons...all that ♫ $$ jazz...
Originally Posted by pbz06
I have the UB900 already, paired with the Sony Z9D. Since that TV has been revealed to have DV built in, I became interested in the Oppo and started following those threads just so I have the option of utilizing DV once it becomes reality.
Unfortunately, it's hard to find people that are extremely happy with the Oppo. It's been nothing but issues in those threads and troubleshooting. The Panny was plug and play, everything Auto, and no hiccups. It has been amazing in PQ for both UHD and sdr Blu-ray. Most people that have both tend to lean towards Panny...I'll just keep waiting until more definitive comparisons and tests from pros. I really like the Oppo's potential but might as well wait until DV gets here.
BTW, the Deep Color thing is an issue on the TV side so I wouldn't use it against the Panny. I have it enabled and there's zero banding.
Your reply to wxman
above first quote. Important fact
regarding "Deep Color", for zero banding,
using the Panasonic 900.
Originally Posted by curlyjive
The Panasonic does indeed do what strip metadata does. it requires an HDFury to do so, but it will convert HDR BT2020 to SDR BT2020
That too is important. For best quality picture when using the Panasonic 900. That's what most people are after when upgrading to UHD/4K...the best 4K HDR picture. That's what truly makes all the difference; right in our eyes.
* The HDFury by the way is inexpensive, for people who demands the best picture. Just goggle it ... • http://hdfuryintegral.com/
Do we want the best picture, or do we want the best support? We're all free to choose, nobody is forcing us, nobody; it's our eyes, and it's our ears, and it's our brain. And we live in the now.
Originally Posted by brentsg
It requiring an HD Fury to do so is the very definition of the Panasonic not doing what strip metadata does.
...And doing it right...with results people can clearly see with their eyes.
Would you rather have it integral of the player you buy, or separately with positive results?
Originally Posted by curlyjive
In a sense that's true, but I wanted to make sure others know that the Panasonic has that conversion capability. It's misleading to suggest it can't be done. It's just not forceable as it is on the Oppo. I currently own both (900 & 203). I'll post more on my comparison between the two later.
I'm very looking forward, among many more of us.
Originally Posted by brentsg
My point was that much of the content of the owners thread for the Oppo is focused on an experimental feature that most won't use.. and that Oppo had the good sense to brand as experimental That was my point If we're going to judge it negatively due to that, then let's just lump the whole HD Fury thread and all the difficulty there into the Panasonic thread, for a mental exercise.
There are plenty of other bugs to squish as well, but it's nothing outside the ordinary when dealing with a new player + new format.
We are discussing, analyzing, learning, sharing, comparing, etc., so that we can all make the best choice that accommodates us the very best.
*** I would love to see Panasonic build solider players and extend their warranties, but that's Oppo's domain here.
The 900 looks swell from its front face, piano black with that THX badge.
The 203 looks solider with brushed aluminum.
Inside; it's Oppo's victory, definitely.
One member in the 203 thread, yesterday said: "Can anyone tell me if the 203 does SACD better than the 103. I don't give a rat's ass about PQ, it's about SQ!! "
Alright, that's his prerogative. Me, a 4K BR player means a 4K Blu-ray picture first and foremost.
Tomorrow we ain't there; today we are. And today the Panasonic 900 looks magnificent from the moving pictures it displays on both screens from 4K front projectors and from 4K OLED TVs. ...With HDFury Integral.
Originally Posted by iserum
the issues with oppo thread are exaggerated as compare to penny player, when Samsung K8500 came out the forum was full with issues as well, people who bought 203 as their first player might face more issues as compared to people like me who has K8500 s my first 4K player. i am not saying Panny is bad player anything with THX certification means it is good at least for passing those THX requirement. i have not read any expert review comparison saying penny is better than Oppo.
Oppo reputation is far better than Panasonic, customer service and their support for long run is better than most consumer electronic companies, panasonic has one year warranty on parts and 90 days labor on BD players according to their web site, that tells you the faith they have in their product. in the long run i would be more happy with Oppo 203 may be will 2nd 203 or wait for darby version if i could sell K8500.
They're all good points you mentioned. And we all live in the now, today.
Exaggerated or not, we still want to be entertained with total satisfaction...in front of our screens, no fuss no mess, press a button (Play a Movie, from Harmony), and get impregnated with full visual and auditory impact into the next frontier of space...the faraway 4K galaxy, the 4-dimensional universe.
Check to screenshots from PioManiac. I want to fly where he's flying...
Originally Posted by chunon
Did you ever try turning Deep Color off on the Panny, that setting causes banding on OLEDs for whatever reason.
Has Samsung fixed the "red smear" issue just curious ?
Good point again on "Deep Color".
Originally Posted by dubusduck
I did not try turning off deep color on the Panny. I think I left the setting at auto, but I can't remember. I believe the banding I saw was due to my LG's performance at just above black levels, not the Panny processing because the banding looks the same on 1080p material.
I don't know if Samsung has fixed the red smear. I've never seen it.
Thanks for sharing that important piece of information.
* I remember when the Samsung 4K Blu-ray player first came out. It had no essence because it was an unattractive design, extremely light, and not corresponding to its price for such a plastic component. I went to the store, looked @ it, lifted it, turned it around, and was unimpressed, very.
That was then, now it's now, and with time values adjusted themselves accordingly. I don't know compared to the Panasonic and the Oppo 4K players; one more reason this thread now exist. There are couple posts right here where couple members shared some...on that Samsung 4K player, and in comparison.
** I want to say this: If a unit cost ten bucks and another one million bucks; if the later is not functioning properly it don't matter if the other inexpensive one is not functioning properly either. We just have to find one that works irregardless. IMO