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Some very odd things. First the setting of projector vs TV alters how dark or bright the picture is. On a projector, projector eliminates clipping but gamma looks off and black level elevated. I don't like settings like this.

Now for sdr bt2020 with an integral. Using hdr auto on the Sony and edid 10 to force bt2020 I am seeing sdr rec709. If I use edid 8, the Sony just says hdr. My projector is not hdr capable so when it gets a bt2020 or hdr signal it just goes into xv color mode. So when I force hdr with edid 8 it appears as though it's washed out and really sending hdr bt2020. Someone else who has an hdr projector that will show the actual color space will have to confirm.

Finally when just using the sdr rec709 conversion I think Sony is trying to optimize colors to look more vivid. Kind of like their description says. But it doesn't look right.

It's a solid player and if you have an hdr display it would probably be fine. I need to do more testing and see what others find, but it seems Sony is doing some odd things with the TV vs projector setting and with the color mapping in sdr rec709. It some ways it's a pleasing picture if you set it to tv mode and sdr. But it's definitely exaggerating colors and doing odd things with brightness and gamma.

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Anyone want to test True HD in a MKV (either USB or DLNA) :-)
I did MKV DTS HD 7.1 via USB. DD true HD works the same. It just passes through to the receiver. Works just like BDP-6500 does.
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For the audio setting, can BD Mix audio be turned OFF, just like on previous Sony players? If setting HDMI audio out to PCM, does it decode the full 7.1 channels in a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 bitstream? What is the maximum audio delay that can be set (in milliseconds)? Thanks.
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Received mine this afternoon. Ran home from work to unbox and install.

First impression was how heavy it was. It feels like a very well put together of equipment. I love how the player on the box is textured/glossy just like the player is.

Hooked up a fresh premium certified HDMI cable and a Ethernet cable and plugged it in. Went through the settings to see if there was anything that needed to be changed and popped in a disc. Made sure the player was bit streaming audio and not touching the picture coming off of the disc.

I've been using the XB1S to watch discs since Christmas and have had multiple issues with disc playback. Needless to say, I had high expectations for this player. It loaded the disc quickly and was able to jump right into playback. The picture seemed darker and more saturated than the XB1S and the audio seemed fuller.

I'll be putting this player through the ringer over the next week or so to see what it's capable of, but so far I'm super stoked on what I have for $300.
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Couple of thoughts

1) This thing is heavy. Not sure why but for a set top box it is pretty heavy.
2) It is quite during playback
3) There is no status LED on the front (play, home etc.). Only a small green light that comes on when the unit is powered on. Its nice since it is not distracting while watching a movie but also feels weird.
4) The remote feels a bit cheap. Doesn't feel bad but doesn't feel premium. My $50 Sony BD player remote has a nicer feeling remote than this player.
5) BD player provisioning server connection server says failed. Not sure what the date was from SOny for BB to allow selling this device but maybe it later than the 24th and Sony got caught off guard. Amazon and Vudu need an app update to use. Netflix doesn't. Can't update apps until device is provisioned/updated.
6) This thing is big. Well wide anyways. I had a hard time getting it into my media cabinet. I had to remove a shelf so I could insert it vertically. (See pic attached)
7) Disc loading times for BD discs seems pretty fast. Not sure about UBD since I don't own any yet.
8) I've seen the Samsung and Philips UHB players at stores before and they feel cheap. The Sony feels like an expensive product (except for the remote).
Is it actually 17" as listed in the first post? The reason I ask is that Amazon lists it as 18.9" wide. I assume that's a mistake.
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Is it actually 17" as listed in the first post? The reason I ask is that Amazon lists it as 18.9" wide. I assume that's a mistake.
It's just as wide as my receiver and about a half inch shorter.
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Is it actually 17" as listed in the first post? The reason I ask is that Amazon lists it as 18.9" wide. I assume that's a mistake.
Just measured it and it is 17" wide.
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For the audio setting, can BD Mix audio be turned OFF, just like on previous Sony players? If setting HDMI audio out to PCM, does it decode the full 7.1 channels in a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 bitstream? What is the maximum audio delay that can be set (in milliseconds)? Thanks.
BD mix can be turned off, which will make the player bitstream the audio. When I had the player set to BD mix on, the info screen showed Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and my receiver was getting 7.1 PCM.

I don't remember what the delay went up to, I glossed over that section.
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I did MKV DTS HD 7.1 via USB. DD true HD works the same. It just passes through to the receiver. Works just like BDP-6500 does.
Does it upscale MKV to 4K as well? And can I choose RGB as output?

Edit: Found this unboxing video which shows the settings and confirms RGB output. I hope it can upscale files to 4K as well. Wonder what Auto1 or Auto2 mean for upscaling.

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I'm real curious to see how this stands up against the K8500 and 203. I look forward to some unbiased reviews.

I've been itching to offload the Sammy (not a fan of the brand) but the Oppo seems plagued with reliability issues (even on the 105).

I've been happy with my PS3 then the 6500. I'm NOT a big fan of the entire front of the X800 dropping down for the disc tray, that seems dumb.

Does the X800 or any other UHD player do 1.5x with audio playback?
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[*]PQ looks great to me on UHD discs and Netflix HDR[/LIST]
Does netflix hdr look better than the shield?

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BD mix can be turned off, which will make the player bitstream the audio. When I had the player set to BD mix on, the info screen showed Dolby TrueHD 7.1 and my receiver was getting 7.1 PCM.

I don't remember what the delay went up to, I glossed over that section.
Thanks, but can you try setting HDMI audio out to 'PCM' and BD Mix Audio to 'off'? Is the receiver showing PCM 7.1 when playing a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track? Normally, I would be able to find this info in the user's manual, but it's not posted yet on Sony's website. Thanks again, sir.
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I'm NOT a big fan of the entire front of the X800 dropping down for the disc tray, that seems dumb.

Agreed. That is a really dumb design and pointless.
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Thanks, but can you try setting HDMI audio out to 'PCM' and BD Mix Audio to 'off'? Is the receiver showing PCM 7.1 when playing a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 track? Normally, I would be able to find this info in the user's manual, but it's not posted yet on Sony's website. Thanks again, sir.
Setting HDMI audio to PCM and BD Mix off shows PCM 7.1 on the receiver and the player shows Dolby TrueHD 7.1.

Audio delay can be set from 0 to 120msec.
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Agreed. That is a really dumb design and pointless.
I don't like it either. The Panny UB900 is designed the same way.

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Setting HDMI audio to PCM and BD Mix off shows PCM 7.1 on the receiver and the player shows Dolby TrueHD 7.1.

Audio delay can be set from 0 to 120msec.
Thank you for confirming that. I have an older SSP that can accept PCM 7.1 but cannot decode the newest codecs. It looks like I'll be picking up this player! Thank you, again.
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Saw the unboxing video, the UI is pretty similar to my old Sony BD player, which isnt a bad thing... they gotta keep it simple and small in size for a faster player. Best thing I noticed was the Orignal Output setting, it was a nightmare for me on the K8500. Everything else is pretty standard, too bad the info. Isnt as extensive as the Panny or the Oppo. Lastly, the think the player is due for a major update and should get like 200 more apps like the older Sony BD players.
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Would love to know which movies are on the "redemption" list. I have some Sony 4K movies and am planning to order some additional ones. I wouldn't want to duplicate what I could get through the redemption, if I decide to replace my Samsung K85000 player with this one... Still watching the reviews and details on HDR to SDR conversion, since my 4K PJ doesn't support HDR

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Does the player output 24Hz on Netflix ? MY 6500 only outputs 60Hz and I am sensitive to the soap opera effect.

I was so happy without HDR...
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Does the player output 24Hz on Netflix ? MY 6500 only outputs 60Hz and I am sensitive to the soap opera effect.
60hz has nothing to do with the Soap opera effect. The BD player doesn't create it. the TV does with frame interpolation set too high.

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60hz has nothing to do with the Soap opera effect. The BD player doesn't create it. the TV does with frame interpolation set too high.

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My TV doesn't do the interpolation as it should. I have an old ROKU that outputs 24 Hz and a Sony that only outputs 60Hz on Netflix. The difference is obvious. There are hundreds of other posts on AVS requesting Netflix to output 24Hz .

I was so happy without HDR...
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Well, here's my take, not much interest in the x800 at all! Good Night!
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My TV doesn't do the interpolation as it should. I have an old ROKU that outputs 24 Hz and a Sony that only outputs 60Hz on Netflix. The difference is obvious. There are hundreds of other posts on AVS requesting Netflix to output 24Hz .
Earlier in the thread gagetfreak confirmed

Netflix HDR and HDR disc are 4k/24 2020 12 bit.

The current bdp-6700 and uhp-h1 also output netflx @ 24fps.
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Well, here's my take, not much interest in the x800 at all! Good Night!
Seems that way although I doubt many have it yet. If you just want basic 4k HDR bluray playback and a few apps it seems like a really good deal.
It supposedly has the same processor as the OPPO but that may be untrue or partially true, not sure. If it is true then it may be a really cheap way to get 4k UHD with great picture quality.
Need a few more reviews though. No doubt the OPPO will provide more features and customer support but with a price almost twice the cost.
Up to the buyer but for me if I only was going to buy one UHD player it would be the OPPO. But if I wanted a second player at a good value the Sony 800 would be a great choice.

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My TV doesn't do the interpolation as it should. I have an old ROKU that outputs 24 Hz and a Sony that only outputs 60Hz on Netflix. The difference is obvious. There are hundreds of other posts on AVS requesting Netflix to output 24Hz .
It's still not the SOE. 60hz will introduce judder from the 3:2 pulldown. But again that has absolutely nothing to do with the Soap Opera Effect.

The SOE is caused when new frames are introduced between the existing frames. WHich is what Motion Interpolation does. 3:2 pulldown just repeats the existing frames. Which cannot cause the Soap Opera Effect. Just Judder.

And just like when you have 24fps content with a 120hz TV. It uses 5:5 pulldown to take it to 120fps. Which just repeats the existing frames. But without the judder. Since 120 is a multiple of 24. Unlike 60fps which is not a multiple of 24. So the frames are not repeated evenly. Which causes judder. Not the Soap Opera Effect.

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Earlier in the thread gagetfreak confirmed

Netflix HDR and HDR disc are 4k/24 2020 12 bit.

The current bdp-6700 and uhp-h1 also output netflx @ 24fps.
Yes. But is there anyway to output it properly at 10bit? There is no reason it should be sending 12bit with Deep Color set to Off. Since the content is also only 10bit, not 12 bit.

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As owner of a non HDR projector can anyone with similar confirm if this will give me BT2020 SDR with or without a Fury Integral. Thx in advance. Also anyone compared to Panny 900 or Oppo 203 yet? I have owned both and MUCH prefer Panny
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Has anyone been able to compare this to the Samsung 8500? Trying to decide if it's worth it sell my 8500 and get this unit.


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I have ordered mine, I have a Sammy now. Another point of interest for me is the hi resolution audio both for movies and the SACD cd's I have. This should be a great player for me.
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please confirm that Vudu UHD isn't available from the app on this player

I sure hope Sony confirms, one way or another, that a firmware update will enable Dolby Vision on this player, before the promotion offer for two free movies runs out
I'm on the fence between just keeping my Samsung K8500, or replacing it with this player or the upcoming LG UHD player. LG has said during CES that that player will receive an update to enable Dolby Vision later this year.

also, does anyone have the list of free movies that is in the promotion? does it include the new Ghostbusters one ?
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