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Holy crap the revenant is the best looking 4K movie I've seen on this machine so far!
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I watched the Shallows Saturday night and that looked great too. Everything I've played so far has looked superb. The Martian, Lucy, the Revenant, Secret Life of pets etc.

I need to register for the free titles soon. I hope between the free ones and discounted titles that I will have all the Sony UHD BD titles afterwards.
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Does any know if the X800 can act as a renderer for bubbleupnp?

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I watched the Shallows Saturday night and that looked great too. Everything I've played so far has looked superb. The Martian, Lucy, the Revenant, Secret Life of pets etc.

I need to register for the free titles soon. I hope between the free ones and discounted titles that I will have all the Sony UHD BD titles afterwards.
I received my 2 free within week after I picked up player. Very fast response by Sony.
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I received my 2 free within week after I picked up player. Very fast response by Sony.
I can attest to this, got mine 5 days after putting in the order.
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I watched the Shallows Saturday night and that looked great too. Everything I've played so far has looked superb. The Martian, Lucy, the Revenant, Secret Life of pets etc.

I need to register for the free titles soon. I hope between the free ones and discounted titles that I will have all the Sony UHD BD titles afterwards.
Told you it was better then the sammy! Have you sold it yet?
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Told you it was better then the sammy! Have you sold it yet?
Not yet. I spent too much time with the x800 this weekend.
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I have a Sony 55X930D tv and I picked up the UBP-X800 yesterday. Should I set the resolution to original or to Auto on the X800?
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Does any know if the X800 can act as a renderer for bubbleupnp?

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It should. I'm using with Serviio and the standard vanilla DLNA profile. In the old days, special profiles needed to be created to get around all the things Sony players were notoriously finicky with, sometimes employing transcoding. No longer is this the case. The x800 pretty much plays anything on its own.
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I have a Sony 55X930D tv and I picked up the UBP-X800 yesterday. Should I set the resolution to original or to Auto on the X800?
Whatever looks best for you. Use the player to upscale or your TV.
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I have a Sony 55X930D tv and I picked up the UBP-X800 yesterday. Should I set the resolution to original or to Auto on the X800?
I use original so the tv upscales 1080 blus. I wouls think your tv upscales better then the player but its all what looks better to you
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Just got mine hooked up and I'm having an issue with resolution.

Under no circumstances do I want the player performing upscaling (the upscaler in my 940D is at least as good and I've seen issues with players trying to upconvert and then the TV trying to do it as well). So, I set the video output to "Original Resolution". When I play a BluRay disc, the resolution information (what you see in the status bar for the TV) will show 1080/24P (as it should). Picture quality looks excellent.

Exiting the movie to return to the player's main screen switches the resolution back to 4K (3840x2160p) which isn't necessarily a problem at the menu screen.

When I launch NetFlix, and play something "old" (like a 90's TV series), the resolution remains at 4K and the Wide Mode setting kicks in to enlarge the video to fill the screen. This is absolutely not what I want, and makes it seem that the Original Resolution setting is not actually working correctly.

I'm also having an issue with the audio. I've set the HDMI Audio output for HDMI 2 since my older AVR doesn't support 4K / HDMI2 inputs. HDMI 1 is connected directly to the TV and HDMI 2 is connected to HDMI Input 2 on the AVR. When I play anything from the x800, my AVR auto-switches to the "TV" input which is a TOSLINK cable from the TV. According to the settings menu in the x800, choosing HDMI2 output for audio should eliminate the audio signal from HDMI1. Yet, audio is clearly passing along HDMI1 -> TV -> AVR (via TOSLINK). As a result, my AVR detects audio input on the TOSLINK and skips the audio in on HDMI Input 2 and I lose the audio quality (which is the whole purpose of having the second HDMI out in use in the first place).

I've also noticed a little "quirk"... If you launch Netflix and then try to open the tray (at least with the front panel button), you can't. You have to exit the application before the player will allow you to open the tray. Seems dumb to me.
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Why are you going to open the tray when using Netflix anyways? You have to exit the app to watch a movie any how.

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Why are you going to open the tray when using Netflix anyways? You have to exit the app to watch a movie any how.
Maybe I want to remove a disc that I just finished watching? Maybe I want to put in a disc for when the current person is done with Netflix?

Why does it matter 'why'? I know I can't watch a disc while an app is playing, but I just thought it was odd that I was blocked from operating the tray purely because an app was running.
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I watched the Shallows Saturday night and that looked great too. Everything I've played so far has looked superb. The Martian, Lucy, the Revenant, Secret Life of pets etc.

I need to register for the free titles soon. I hope between the free ones and discounted titles that I will have all the Sony UHD BD titles afterwards.


Is there a list anywhere of the titles they are offering for this promotion?
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Is there a list anywhere of the titles they are offering for this promotion?
Post #193 in this thread. (If memory serves, that's the lot - 17 titles.) Not many "instant classics" on the list.
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I have a Sony 55X930D tv and I picked up the UBP-X800 yesterday. Should I set the resolution to original or to Auto on the X800?
I have the same TV, I keep mine on Auto. I guess the only time you would have to worry about that is if you don't own a 4K tv (in which case you might want to keep it at 1080p) or if you are watching DVDs and want to ensure native resolution. Perhaps someone else can speak more on the subject.
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There is no hardware mod for Sony. Even if there was a software mod, it cannot be discussed at AVS.
Thanks, Teachsac. Interesting though, since the Oppo region free gets discussed all the time.
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Thanks, Teachsac. Interesting though, since the Oppo region free gets discussed all the time.
We have already discussed the differences between the 2. Hardware mod does not modify the player's firmware, nor does it bypass Cinavia/iso BDA restrictions. Software mod is not discussed in the Oppo thread. If there was a similar mod for the Sony, you would be able to discuss it.

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Question Upscale by TV vs Player?

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I use original so the tv upscales 1080 blus. I wouls think your tv upscales better then the player but its all what looks better to you
I see this repeated often that the TV upscales better than players. I find this contradictory to what was once the case. Back in DVD and early Bluray days, there was a lot of ballyhoo about high grade players and AVRs having better chips for HD conversion. My Yamaha RX-A3000 has a HQV video chip for example, which at the time was one of the best. And it showed even on my Kuro. Going back further, I had Pioneer DVD player that definitely scaled SD discs better than leaving it to just the TV. And that was verified by tests that you could find on the web at the time too. Reason I bought it.

I have a Sammy K8500 and not long before that I bought a Sony S6700. Both upscale well. In fact I reall can't tell any difference between them nor if I use 1080p or even 576p (PAL here in Aus). Nor can I see much difference on 1080p left to the TV's scaler. BUT I do think the players do a better job of upscaling DVDs than left just to the TV.

So my question is... is there any empirical data to justify the commonly held belief that current TVs scale better than players? Or are we just repeating some well-regarded commentators' opinions without evidence. No offence, but I think from what I see, higher end players have pretty much one job and that is to produce high quality resolution using dedicated components and I would like to see something that proves one way or the other.
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Just got mine hooked up and I'm having an issue with resolution.

Under no circumstances do I want the player performing upscaling (the upscaler in my 940D is at least as good and I've seen issues with players trying to upconvert and then the TV trying to do it as well). So, I set the video output to "Original Resolution". When I play a BluRay disc, the resolution information (what you see in the status bar for the TV) will show 1080/24P (as it should). Picture quality looks excellent.

Exiting the movie to return to the player's main screen switches the resolution back to 4K (3840x2160p) which isn't necessarily a problem at the menu screen.

When I launch NetFlix, and play something "old" (like a 90's TV series), the resolution remains at 4K and the Wide Mode setting kicks in to enlarge the video to fill the screen. This is absolutely not what I want, and makes it seem that the Original Resolution setting is not actually working correctly.

I'm also having an issue with the audio. I've set the HDMI Audio output for HDMI 2 since my older AVR doesn't support 4K / HDMI2 inputs. HDMI 1 is connected directly to the TV and HDMI 2 is connected to HDMI Input 2 on the AVR. When I play anything from the x800, my AVR auto-switches to the "TV" input which is a TOSLINK cable from the TV. According to the settings menu in the x800, choosing HDMI2 output for audio should eliminate the audio signal from HDMI1. Yet, audio is clearly passing along HDMI1 -> TV -> AVR (via TOSLINK). As a result, my AVR detects audio input on the TOSLINK and skips the audio in on HDMI Input 2 and I lose the audio quality (which is the whole purpose of having the second HDMI out in use in the first place).

I've also noticed a little "quirk"... If you launch Netflix and then try to open the tray (at least with the front panel button), you can't. You have to exit the application before the player will allow you to open the tray. Seems dumb to me.
Unfortunately, original resolution only works with DVD or BD media. Streaming content ignores this setting. However, you can force the player to output a fixed resolution by explicilty setting the resolution to 480i, 480p, 720p, etc. Apps will use this setting.

I know of no Netflix app or any app for that matter where you can specify you want the netflix player to output the original resolution of the show you are watching.

In order for 4:3 content to be shown in its native aspect ratio (even in netflix) screen format has to be set to Normal.

On your AVR wouldnt you need to select the Hdmi input that the player is using to hear full audio quality. E.g TrueHd or Atmos.

Finally all Sony BDPs behave like this with the eject system when apps are used. You cant eject when you are in a App.

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Maybe I want to remove a disc that I just finished watching? Maybe I want to put in a disc for when the current person is done with Netflix?

Why does it matter 'why'? I know I can't watch a disc while an app is playing, but I just thought it was odd that I was blocked from operating the tray purely because an app was running.
I dare say it's related to Autoplay. How does the player anticipate whether you want to continue watching Netflix or play the disc you just inserted?
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I have a Sony 55X930D tv and I picked up the UBP-X800 yesterday. Should I set the resolution to original or to Auto on the X800?
I'm using auto with my 850C. Which with The Auto 1 scaling option will send 1080P for 1080P and lower content and 2160P for that content. So the player scales up the lower content to 1080P and then basically passes through the 2160P content. I like this option better than having my Sony 850C scale up the lower resolutions.

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Unfortunately, original resolution only works with DVD or BD media. Streaming content ignores this setting. However, you can force the player to output a fixed resolution by explicilty setting the resolution to 480i, 480p, 720p, etc. Apps will use this setting.
This isn't helpful since I don't want to "downscale" UHD or BD content.

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In order for 4:3 content to be shown in its native aspect ratio (even in netflix) screen format has to be set to Normal.
My x800 is set to "Normal", but the TV forces "Auto Wide" in UHD resolution. Since the video data being sent to the TV is UHD, Auto Wide gets enabled (can't be overridden), and Wide Mode Full is the one that gets selected.

Irritating. Guess I'll just play Netflix on the TV instead.

The Amazon app appears to work properly.
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We have already discussed the differences between the 2. Hardware mod does not modify the player's firmware, nor does it bypass Cinavia/iso BDA restrictions. Software mod is not discussed in the Oppo thread. If there was a similar mod for the Sony, you would be able to discuss it.
I don't want to start a can of worms but people saying software mods are discussed on OPPO forum are absolutely right. The mod to allow DVD region free is pure software and links to download it were supplied there since the introduction of the OPPO 103. Anyway, the Sony sold in US can't be modded .

I was so happy without HDR...
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I don't want to start a can of worms but people saying software mods are discussed on OPPO forum are absolutely right. The mod to allow DVD region free is pure software and links to download it were supplied there since the introduction of the OPPO 103. Anyway, the Sony sold in US can't be modded .
The superdisc was created for Australia and created and hosted by Oppo.

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This isn't helpful since I don't want to "downscale" UHD or BD content.



My x800 is set to "Normal", but the TV forces "Auto Wide" in UHD resolution. Since the video data being sent to the TV is UHD, Auto Wide gets enabled (can't be overridden), and Wide Mode Full is the one that gets selected.

Irritating. Guess I'll just play Netflix on the TV instead.

The Amazon app appears to work properly.
I wasnt suggesting you set it all the time, only when you were watching that old content on netflix. Merely a workaround.
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I wasnt suggesting you set it all the time, only when you were watching that old content on netflix. Merely a workaround.
FAR simpler to just watch Netflix on the TV and skip it from the x800 altogether. Settings shouldn't need to be changed is that sort of manner. There should be an API exposed by the x800 and the apps should be able to communicate with it to send over information about the resolution.
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FAR simpler to just watch Netflix on the TV and skip it from the x800 altogether. Settings shouldn't need to be changed is that sort of manner. There should be an API exposed by the x800 and the apps should be able to communicate with it to send over information about the resolution.
Take it up with Sony. Its the only way to get things fixed.
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