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post #8101 of 9847 Old 06-16-2018, 02:46 PM
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Chris, what are you playing to test this? If you are playing a UHD (4K) disc, be aware these come packaged with the regular (1080p) Blu-ray, and many MANY people have mistakenly put the regular Blu-ray into their player without noticing. With typical settings, that will get sent to the TV as 4K, but with the same Standard Dynamic Range (SDR) as found on the regular Blu-ray disc.

Your Vizio should have a status display which will confirm whether it is receiving High Dynamic Range (HDR).
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Thanks. Yes, I triple checked I had put in the 4K copy of The Last Jedi. I have a brand new HDMI cable, verified to HDMI input one. I gave vizio e70u-E3. The display info says it's outputting 4K, but if I directly stream the same movie from Vudu straight from the TV it is noticeably higher resolution.
OK, the Color Upsampling setting in the Vizio is, I believe, per HDMI Input. Check again that you've enabled that for the correct HDMI Input -- the one you are feeding from the player.

If you have the video cabled THROUGH your AVR, the problem may be the settings -- or the choice of input/output sockets -- in the AVR. Test this by temporarily connecting the player directly to your TV.
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OK, the Color Upsampling setting in the Vizio is, I believe, per HDMI Input. Check again that you've enabled that for the correct HDMI Input -- the one you are feeding from the player.


If you have the video cabled THROUGH your AVR, the problem may be the settings -- or the choice of input/output sockets -- in the AVR. Test this by temporarily connecting the player directly to your TV.
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It's going straight to TV. No AVR. I verified correct HDMI input by turning off and on the HDMI color subsampling while the player was on and saw on display that it was turning on and off
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It's going straight to TV. No AVR. I verified correct HDMI input by turning off and on the HDMI color subsampling while the player was on and saw on display that it was turning on and off
I should add that with the player and TV display a 4k picture when I toggle info on both. It's just not as clear as streaming directly from UHD Vudu and I would think it would be clearer than streaming...
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I should add that with the player and TV display a 4k picture when I toggle info on both. It's just not as clear as streaming directly from UHD Vudu and I would think it would be clearer than streaming...
The Vizio is likely using different Picture settings per input -- and VUDU (along with the other Internet apps) may very well be a separate "Input" for this.

While playing each (VUDU and disc), check what Picture Mode, and picture settings inside that mode, are in use. If the problem is you don't have the picture adjustments set correctly for the HDMI Input from the player, you'll need to ask for help in the owner's thread for your Vizio.
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Hey guys if I switch to the Sony 700 player, would you consider that an upgrade or downgrade?
It's a huge downgrade.
I have the X700 and I think it's a super entry level quality player. It's video quality does not compare to the X800 and especially the X1000es. What I notice about it playing regular Blu rays is sharpness and clarity. A way to describe it is look at a entry level LED tv then go check out a high end model. So example would be the Sony XBR850e vs XBRZ9D. The 850 has a nice picture until you compare it to the Z9D. You lose detail and clarity not to mention black levels etc. The X700 seems to have the same effect of a loss of detail and clarity like it has a cheap video processor of the most basic quality.
The X800 is a very nice well built high quality for the money player I've seen in a long time. I got wrapped up in Dolby Vision and purchased the X700 as everyone knows it's super slim pickings to get a Dolby Vision player. I sadly have to say that I think that Dolby Vision on this player doesn't even look as good as the Xbox One X running HDR with the latest firmware. I much prefer watching my Dolby Vision movies in HDR on the Xbox over the X700. So I think the experience of Dolby Vision is getting lost on this player.
I know this is a entry level player but don't be fooled to think it performs above it's cost, it does not. I think it performs exactly how this level of player should. The X800 on the other hand I feel excels at it's retail price point and you can get it well below that now.
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Sorry. 4K resolution looks like 1080p no matter what I do. I have verified that my Vizio TV has the HDMI color subsampling turned on and everything. Does anybody have any ideas?
Thanks. Yes, I triple checked I had put in the 4K copy of The Last Jedi. I have a brand new HDMI cable, verified to HDMI input one. I gave vizio e70u-E3. The display info says it's outputting 4K, but if I directly stream the same movie from Vudu straight from the TV it is noticeably higher resolution.
I think your biggest issue is comparing the said movie. Watching that in 4K is no better than watching a very good PQ DVD... try a different movie first.

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I think your biggest issue is comparing the said movie. Watching that in 4K is no better than watching a very good PQ DVD... try a different movie first.
It is nowhere close to 480p which is around 350K pixels. If you think that you are easily misremembering what a DVD looks like.

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I think your biggest issue is comparing the said movie. Watching that in 4K is no better than watching a very good PQ DVD... try a different movie first.
It is nowhere close to 480p which is around 350K pixels. If you think that you are easily misremembering what a DVD looks like.

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I own quite a lot of DVDs still and have no problem saying Last Jedi 4K looks worse than some of em at times. Thats how bad it is. Granted those DVDs are being upscaled on my 4K tv but still 4K should be superior but its not in this case.

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No it’s nowhere as bad as 480p.

Anyway what we need to establish is what is meant by it looks cleaner via streaming. last Jedi was filmed on actual film stock so it has film grain in the picture. If he is seeing the film grain he isn’t getting a bad picture at all, he is seeing what is supposed to be there.

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Question for my fellow x800 owners. Do you guys leave the upscaling feature on Auto for watching Blu rays and dvd's? I have mine set to Auto 2 which upscales everything to 4K. A friend of mine told me to leave it on Auto and let my x800 play each disc I play as it was encoded such as 1080p, 4K ect. What's your guys opinion's? That being said. Performance wise nothing to report because my x800 has been flawless.
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I have mine set on Auto1

From the Manual:

[4K Upscale Setting]
[Auto1]: Outputs 2K (1920 × 1080) video
signals during video playback and 4K video
signals during photo/Network Services/
Miracast playback when connecting to a Sony
4K-compatible equipment.
Outputs 4K video signals when connecting to
a non-Sony 4K-compatible equipment.
This setting does not work for 3D video image
playback.
[Auto2]: Automatically outputs 4K video
signals when you connect a 4K-compatible
equipment.
[Off]: Turns off the function.

From a previous thread and alot eaier to understand.:

Auto1 sends 2k to TV(And thus the TV do upscaling).
Auto2 sends 4K to TV. Thus the Disc Player do the upscaling

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I have mine set on Auto1

From the Manual:

[4K Upscale Setting]
[Auto1]: Outputs 2K (1920 × 1080) video
signals during video playback and 4K video
signals during photo/Network Services/
Miracast playback when connecting to a Sony
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This setting does not work for 3D video image
playback.
[Auto2]: Automatically outputs 4K video
signals when you connect a 4K-compatible
equipment.
[Off]: Turns off the function.

From a previous thread and alot eaier to understand.:

Auto1 sends 2k to TV(And thus the TV do upscaling).
Auto2 sends 4K to TV. Thus the Disc Player do the upscaling
Yes, sort of ... all Auto 1 does is it takes into consideration whether or not you have a 4K "Sony" connected display device.. .if so, it will send 2K for video playback and 4k for other photo, nework services and such... If you do not have a Sony display, it is identical to Auto 2.... and just sends 4K for everything.. That's the way I read it anyway...
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Today I did a routine update check for the TV and player, and I found out UBPX-800 player has an update to M36.R.0238

The update itself took about 10 minutes to finish, up to now I do not notice any difference for the player functions. Just research this version number it pops up a UK website which has the following features update:
  • Enables HDR10 for Prime Video™ content (UK / Germany/ Austria only)
    Solves playback issue for specific Blu-ray titles

The only interesting thing is, in Canada/US website it does not list this new version, I wondered what is actually updated?
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Yes, mine updated to M36.R.0238 as well. First time I was able to do this online, with all the previous updates I had to go the USB route.
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Mine says no update available when I try the internet
and when I put the downloaded update files on a USB stick is says file corrupted.

Update

Two days later it suddenly decided there was an update available and I now have firmware M36.R.0238 installed at last.

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Yes, mine updated to M36.R.0238 as well. First time I was able to do this online, with all the previous updates I had to go the USB route.
Thank you guys for the info. Just updated and now getting HDR from Amazon and it looks fantastic. No UHD unabled for Vudu though like I wished but I'll take Amazon at least.

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Hey guys, even after the firmware update, initializing personal data, and resetting the Youtube app directly on the X800, I'm still stuck with the older interface vs the newer one that's on ROKU, and android TV. Is there a way to get back to the new interface, or is this player just stuck with the older one?


I have no functionality issues, I just prefer the newer interface (if it's possible to get it on the Sony)


For the most part, I've turned streaming functions over to dedicated streamers such as ROKU, and Apple TV boxes here so it's not a huge deal if I can't fix this.


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I have attempted to convert a mkv movie with dts audio to a .ts container using ffmpeg. The usb .ts (.m2ts) plays video but I do not get dts audio. Any ideas?

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I have attempted to convert a mkv movie with dts audio to a .ts container using ffmpeg. The usb .ts (.m2ts) plays video but I do not get dts audio. Any ideas?

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I've never had issues playing MKV files with DTS on this player, and the BDP-S6700 standard blu-ray player. Dolby TrueHD has given me more issues then DTS.
I use MakeMKV to directly rip my discs to MKV.


I've noticed on the BDP-S6700 DTS HD is played as standard DTS acording to info, but the X800 seems to play the DTS MA stream without conversion on the player.


DD 5.1 standard plays without issues, DD TrueHD seems to not play at all when played from anything but a disc.
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Is the dts (from usb) playing as dts or as pcm/DD?

In the manual the playable file types chart shows no support for dts in .mkv files (page 31).



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I've never had issues playing MKV files with DTS on this player, and the BDP-S6700 standard blu-ray player. Dolby TrueHD has given me more issues then DTS.
I use MakeMKV to directly rip my discs to MKV.


I've noticed on the BDP-S6700 DTS HD is played as standard DTS acording to info, but the X800 seems to play the DTS MA stream without conversion on the player.


DD 5.1 standard plays without issues, DD TrueHD seems to not play at all when played from anything but a disc.

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Is the dts playing as dts or as pcm/DD?

In the manual the playable file types chart shows no support for dts in .mkv files (page 31).
It's playing as DTS. both the DTS light on the sound bar, and the Vizio smart app reports DTS 5.1 is being received.

I only have 5.1 here, so 7.1 is down mixed to 5.1 on 7.1 titles. and of course 5.1 plays directly.


FYI: I can listen to lossless audio as well, However, because the sound bars can't decode a direct DTS HD, or TrueHD bitstream, i have to set the Sony to PCM and let the player decode and send as LPCM 5.1 If I do a bitstream, it's the standard codecs, or DD+ (on supported content).
Since I have no immediate plants to get into fancy stuff like Atmos, or DTS-X, sending as PCM vs bitstream doesn't make a difference other then one is lossless, and one isn't.

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UPDATE 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc Player Firmware Update

This utility upgrades the 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray Disc™ Player firmware to version M36.R.0238 and provides the following benefits:

Information about this download

Benefits and improvements from the previous update:

Resolves an issue related to playing some Blu-ray titles

Previous benefits and improvements:

Extends compatibility with Ultra HD Blu-ray format (Japan and North America)
Improves the stability of the network service
Resolves possible disk playback problems
Improved color rendering when playing HDR content
Improved compatibility with OLED televisions of other brands
Supports other network services (YouTube, Spotify Connect)
Extends the availability of 4K UHD content on some TVs
User interface (background). has been modified
It supports some network services
Enhance compatibility with Ultra HD Blu-ray discs

Release Date 6/20/2018 Version M36.R.0238 File Size 152.89 MB
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Thought maybe it was my hdmi cable causing the glitchy video. Swapped that out and could no longer get video output at all regardless which cable I used. It's going back and trying again with a refurb from a different seller. Hoping to get a good one before I just grab a new one (on a tight budget).

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Not sure if already mentioned but buyers Rejoice!

Downloaded the new FW just now and although the player didnt come back to life on its own ( and even though it was on, it lost the green light upfront), I had to unplug and plug it back in. For some reason, it felt like a major update and so the first thing I tried was Amazon and guess what, Amazon finally has HDR!

With that being said, nothing seems to hit UltraHD icon on Amazon, everything is 1080p HDR. It actually looks UHD, just doesnt say it. Anybody else experience the same? Im gonna check Vudu next. Thanks!
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Any chance that Netflix finally bitstreams DD+ instead of being converted to DD first?

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Any chance that Netflix finally bitstreams DD+ instead of being converted to DD first?
Sorry, no Netflix subscription to check right now.

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Any chance that Netflix finally bitstreams DD+ instead of being converted to DD first?
Do you know any titles that has DD+?
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