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Can someone tell me what firmware updates are available and how to accomplish them? Thanks
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Can someone tell me what firmware updates are available and how to accomplish them? Thanks
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Thanks, I asked the question here before I went through the process looking for any helpful information/glitches, warnings, lessons learned, etc before I updated. Updating was about as simple and straight forward as any recent piece of equipment I've purchased....more simple than most and there has only been one update. I checked the Sony site for the "plain language"
explanation of the update, and after the update I quickly realized there is no longer Grace Note support/function. This really pizzes me off, as I use the 800 for music more than I use it for video and a big part of why I selected it was it's audiophile level processing along with it's ability to put all the album art, track information and words to the songs on the screen during playback....all that is now gone.
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what should the player be set to in the Audio settings section for pcm 48/96/192 ?
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Thanks, I asked the question here before I went through the process looking for any helpful information/glitches, warnings, lessons learned, etc before I updated. Updating was about as simple and straight forward as any recent piece of equipment I've purchased....more simple than most and there has only been one update. I checked the Sony site for the "plain language"
explanation of the update, and after the update I quickly realized there is no longer Grace Note support/function. This really pizzes me off, as I use the 800 for music more than I use it for video and a big part of why I selected it was it's audiophile level processing along with it's ability to put all the album art, track information and words to the songs on the screen during playback....all that is now gone.
Within the original link I provided. The removal of Gracenote is listed on the product firmware page under “product alerts.”

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what should the player be set to in the Audio settings section for pcm 48/96/192 ?
The best your reciever amp can process without causing trouble.
also remember the HDMI cable may cause trouble at higher bit rates if it is not a high quality cable.

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Which firmware version. I thought I had the latest and I don’t have any hisses converting from dsd to pcm.


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It's the latest US version, M36.R.0338 which apparently only removes Gracenote.

I tried a 16- and 24-bit 176.4KHz PCM file from a flash drive (over two different AudioQuest HDMI cords swapped to test) and no hissing or alias noise. I also tried 88.2, 96, and 192 .wav and flac files, no issues. I only get high-frequency hiss (aliasing noise) when playing SACD that is internally converted to PCM. I'm 95% sure it didn't have this issue before as I would have noticed something as annoying as that, but could be wrong. I tried the CD layer - no issue with noise. I tried both HDMI outputs. I also confirmed that playing an SACD over the COAX has no issues (and yes, this is a rare player that plays SACD over COAX at a downsampled 16-bit 44.1, and NO it's not secretly playing the CD layer on a hybrid disc.)

What's interesting is that if I use the sample rate conversion function in my DAC to convert the 176.4 to 88.2, the aliasing noise is gone and it sounds much better, but still has some weirdness to it. I have not tried a .dsf or whatever DSD file from a USB stick yet, but will follow up. It's as if the 50k high pass cutoff filter isn't in place.

It's weird that Sony decided to use 176.4KHz instead of 88.2 like dozens of other players, and in the case of DSD>PCM conversion, the higher sample rate ISN'T better.

Here's an example on an Oppo:

"Why not 176.4KHz when converting SACD to PCM?

The hardware is capable of doing 176.4 and the licensing is not different. OPPO believes that 88.2KHz actually produces a better quality result for SACD DSD to PCM conversion. OPPO feels that even to offer 176.4 as an option would mislead people into thinking the higher rate must be better when that's simply not the case.

SACD players do not convert at a higher rate -- as measured at the Analog output. The process of producing Analog from DSD for SACD requires a 50KHz filter (just as exists in the OPPO's DACs when DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion is in effect), which is the equivalent of a 100KHz sampling rate limit (see Nyquist Limit). 88.2 is the highest multiple of 44.1 that does not exceed 100."

To me, it sounds like the UBP-X800 with the latest firmware is not using that 50k filter cutoff. I have no way to confirm since I can't downgrade and don't have another player... I'll probably just keep this unit for Blu-Ray only and get a different SACD transport..
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It's the latest US version, M36.R.0338 which apparently only removes Gracenote.

I tried a 16- and 24-bit 176.4KHz PCM file from a flash drive (over two different AudioQuest HDMI cords swapped to test) and no hissing or alias noise. I also tried 88.2, 96, and 192 .wav and flac files, no issues. I only get high-frequency hiss (aliasing noise) when playing SACD that is internally converted to PCM. I'm 95% sure it didn't have this issue before as I would have noticed something as annoying as that, but could be wrong. I tried the CD layer - no issue with noise. I tried both HDMI outputs. I also confirmed that playing an SACD over the COAX has no issues (and yes, this is a rare player that plays SACD over COAX at a downsampled 16-bit 44.1, and NO it's not secretly playing the CD layer on a hybrid disc.)

What's interesting is that if I use the sample rate conversion function in my DAC to convert the 176.4 to 88.2, the aliasing noise is gone and it sounds much better, but still has some weirdness to it. I have not tried a .dsf or whatever DSD file from a USB stick yet, but will follow up. It's as if the 50k high pass cutoff filter isn't in place.

It's weird that Sony decided to use 176.4KHz instead of 88.2 like dozens of other players, and in the case of DSD>PCM conversion, the higher sample rate ISN'T better.

Here's an example on an Oppo:

"Why not 176.4KHz when converting SACD to PCM?

The hardware is capable of doing 176.4 and the licensing is not different. OPPO believes that 88.2KHz actually produces a better quality result for SACD DSD to PCM conversion. OPPO feels that even to offer 176.4 as an option would mislead people into thinking the higher rate must be better when that's simply not the case.

SACD players do not convert at a higher rate -- as measured at the Analog output. The process of producing Analog from DSD for SACD requires a 50KHz filter (just as exists in the OPPO's DACs when DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion is in effect), which is the equivalent of a 100KHz sampling rate limit (see Nyquist Limit). 88.2 is the highest multiple of 44.1 that does not exceed 100."

To me, it sounds like the UBP-X800 with the latest firmware is not using that 50k filter cutoff. I have no way to confirm since I can't downgrade and don't have another player... I'll probably just keep this unit for Blu-Ray only and get a different SACD transport..
Sure seems to me that you have some very solid data to back up your theory about your sound issue being tied to the latest firmware update... why not call Sony and report your findings... not to mention they may pass you up to someone who can possibly provide you with an older version of firmware to test? Worth a shot, I would think....
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The best your reciever amp can process without causing trouble.
also remember the HDMI cable may cause trouble at higher bit rates if it is not a high quality cable.

That setting is for the digital out, not HDMI.

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That setting is for the digital out, not HDMI.
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Does anyone know how to "side load" an app on the 800?? I would like to add Tidal and Plex
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I've got a Sacd which I purchased that will work. The only other Sacd's are ones that I downloaded from-at the time-Demonoid-or other online bit torrent sites. None of those work-I have maybe 10 or so. I have a lot of Dvda's that work through the anolog 5.1inputs using my Pioneer Dvd player. I can deal with using 2 different players but I originally bought the Sony thinking everything would work through the Sony. I guess maybe I'm over my head on the dsf/dff!
That is a Sony copyright thing, they invented Sacd and don't allow copy Sacd on disc.

But buy a big memory card/usb stick or a Mobile harddrive, I can confirm that this will play off the DSD files.
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Does anyone know how to "side load" an app on the 800?? I would like to add Tidal and Plex
This won't work I believe.

You're stuck with Spotify.

I prefer Spotify.


What about a cheap android TV Streamer?
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So i am upgrading from a BenQ HT2050 to a BenQ LK970 projector. Should i change my 4k bluray player from my Sony UBP-X800 to a Panasonic DP-UB820 before i get my projector calibrated? Or should i stick with my Sony?
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So i am upgrading from a BenQ HT2050 to a BenQ LK970 projector. Should i change my 4k bluray player from my Sony UBP-X800 to a Panasonic DP-UB820 before i get my projector calibrated? Or should i stick with my Sony?

I'm confused? Why the question? Do you want a new player even though you don't have it connected to see the differences if any?
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Sorry i should have said that i want Dolby Vision through the Panasonic. Is Dolby Vision worth it or should i keep my Sony? Do i just download the Dolby Vision with the Panasonic hooked up to the internet.
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Sorry i should have said that i want Dolby Vision through the Panasonic. Is Dolby Vision worth it or should i keep my Sony? Do i just download the Dolby Vision with the Panasonic hooked up to the internet.
Your new BenQ LK970 does not support Dolby Vision. No projector does that I know of.

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Your new BenQ LK970 does not support Dolby Vision. No projector does that I know of.
But the higher end BR players can tone map prior to sending the image. I think the Panny UB9000 has two projector modes that it will tone map prior to sending the image. One scaled from I think 500 nits and one scaled from 250 nits. Those may not be the correct numbers, but it's something like that. Not sure about the model of Panny he mentioned.
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But the higher end BR players can tone map prior to sending the image. I think the Panny UB9000 has two projector modes that it will tone map prior to sending the image. One scaled from I think 500 nits and one scaled from 250 nits. Those may not be the correct numbers, but it's something like that. Not sure about the model of Panny he mentioned.
Correct... but keep in mind that the UB9000 "HDR Optimizer" introduces banding in some situations (is not a bandwidth issue, I got fiber cabling on all the chain).
For that reason I often prefer the LX500 or the X800 when projecting, even if the overall image looks a little bit darker... but there is no banding at all...
On the other side, the UB9000 can send an SDR BT2020 signal directly to the PJ... with no HDR issues...
So, even the Panny players got issues with PJs... and the HDR Optimizer is good or bad based on personal tastes... for sure is "different"...

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But the higher end BR players can tone map prior to sending the image. I think the Panny UB9000 has two projector modes that it will tone map prior to sending the image. One scaled from I think 500 nits and one scaled from 250 nits. Those may not be the correct numbers, but it's something like that. Not sure about the model of Panny he mentioned.
Yes, I'm aware. He was specifically talking about Dolby Vision which his projector does not support. So it doesn't matter if the UB820 has Dolby Vision capability if he can't use it in that manner.

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Yes, I'm aware. He was specifically talking about Dolby Vision which his projector does not support. So it doesn't matter if the UB820 has Dolby Vision capability if he can't use it in that manner.
Yes it does matter. It's like using MadVR or whatever ... the metadata gets processed before it gets sent to the projector. It will just be on a color curve that the projector can support. So although the projector itself can't process the metadata, it doesn't have to.
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Yes it does matter. It's like using MadVR or whatever ... the metadata gets processed before it gets sent to the projector. It will just be on a color curve that the projector can support. So although the projector itself can't process the metadata, it doesn't have to.
I own the UB820 and use it with my Epson HC4000 projector. I am perfectly aware of the UB820 capabilities.

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Any reason to upgrade?

HI folks. I follow this thread from time to time to catch up. Just curious if this player is "dated" enough at this point to consider upgrading it to something newer or not? Suggestions/feedback appreciated. Thanks.

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Shutting USB HDD down

When I shut down my Sony, and still have a portable HDD plugged in, the drive continues to spin and not shut down. Does anyone know if there is anyway to change a setting to have the USB attached HDD shut down when the player is shut down????
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This won't work I believe.

You're stuck with Spotify.

I prefer Spotify.


What about a cheap android TV Streamer?
I prefer to use Tidal due to the streaming quality and therefore want to side load Tidal on the Sony. I hate the fact that sony so quickly stops supporting their products and limit third party apps
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HI folks. I follow this thread from time to time to catch up. Just curious if this player is "dated" enough at this point to consider upgrading it to something newer or not? Suggestions/feedback appreciated. Thanks.
Well if your happy with it you could always buy the upgraded version the x800m2 that now supports Dolby vision when it gets released if it hasn't been already. Sounds like it's going to be the same price. If you don't need DV then your probably fine as is.
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The Sony X800M2 has been available for a couple weeks now.

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When I shut down my Sony, and still have a portable HDD plugged in, the drive continues to spin and not shut down. Does anyone know if there is anyway to change a setting to have the USB attached HDD shut down when the player is shut down????
Do you have quick start mode enabled on your Sony? If so, shut it off...
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I prefer to use Tidal due to the streaming quality and therefore want to side load Tidal on the Sony. I hate the fact that sony so quickly stops supporting their products and limit third party apps
It is not a matter of dropping support none of the Sony BlueRay players including the x800 are Android devices that might support any type of side loading. The vast majority of AV products have proprietary operation systems that you cannot decide to load whatever you feel like on.


Can you name any Blue Ray player that supports side-loading or an app store? I can't.
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I think the unit allows you to pick favorites from the available programs they carry on whatever smart setup they are using but yes you can't find non included things like side loading from the play store or other sources. The new version I guess only includes 3 popular programs right now but I'm sure Sony will add more with software and firmware updates. They have added and removed a few since the 800 was released.
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