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I prefer to use Tidal due to the streaming quality and therefore want to side load Tidal on the Sony. I hate the fact that sony so quickly stops supporting their products and limit third party apps


What receiver do you have? Heos and bluOs support Tidal.


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What receiver do you have? Heos and bluOs support Tidal.


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My receiver is old skool...B&K AVR 507....doesnt even have an HDMI.
my system is more about music than video....thats why I got the Sony
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It is not a matter of dropping support none of the Sony BlueRay players including the x800 are Android devices that might support any type of side loading. The vast majority of AV products have proprietary operation systems that you cannot decide to load whatever you feel like on.


Can you name any Blue Ray player that supports side-loading or an app store? I can't.
My complaint is that when I bought the Sony in December, it had a few apps I could use...including Plex...but they went and deleted them...its a bait and switch...they want you to buy their new model...
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My receiver is old skool...B&K AVR 507....doesnt even have an HDMI.

my system is more about music than video....thats why I got the Sony
Man B&K was incredible stuff! Awesome that you still have that. The best sounding HT processor I ever had was a B&K. Shame what happened to them. I had to move because of the lack of HDMI and of course changing technology in general.

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I like the sound of the B&K paired with my JMLAB Electra 7.1 system.....all old school.
To get around the HDMI issue I have a new Samsung TV with the Sony plugged in or video
Recently bought a Topping DAC/AMP, and feed Hi res sound into the B&K or my Krell KAV 300 driving my fronts.
Cumbersome at times...but it works for me so far.
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Do you have quick start mode enabled on your Sony? If so, shut it off...
Thanks, I will give that a try later today.
I appreciate your quick response.
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My complaint is that when I bought the Sony in December, it had a few apps I could use...including Plex...but they went and deleted them...its a bait and switch...they want you to buy their new model...

I don't think that's the reason. Streaming apps are an afterthought on these disc players, and the manufacturer will not spend resources on continuing to support the apps on older models. The units are primarily disc players.


Anyone that plans on doing a lot of streaming from different apps should really own a dedicated streaming box, making such issues with disc players irrelevant. Such devices can be bought quite inexpensively these days -- the new Roku Premiere 4K is only $40 and comes with a certified high speed 4K-capable HDMI cable.
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I bought a Streamer for Tidal. Was about 49 bucks.

I primarily bought it for Game of thrones Hbo and stuff, but I have Tidal on it too.


If you don't have Hdmi you must use coaxial special cable jack? to coaxial.

I only use hdmi on the streamer.
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Anyone that plans on doing a lot of streaming from different apps should really own a dedicated streaming box, making such issues with disc players irrelevant.
That depends on what one wants from a streaming box. I have yet to find a single dedicated streaming box that will do frame rate switching, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision, do even frame rates (24, 30, 60) and do all of this from Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. I had decided to purchase a NVIDIA Shield Pro only to discover it has been discontinued. The major reason for the Pro was 2 HDMI outs and IR control. So I will continue with my UBP-X1000ES and UBP-X800.
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I have had this player for about a year now, I originally bought it because I seen it supported all sorts of nice audio formats. To my surprise and Ignorance(was using UMS, and it convert things) it only supports a few audio formats over DLNA and on USB stick.

Lately I have been converting everything I get with DD+ to AC3 so it will play. Sure UMS can do it for me but for some reason it always wants to convert video as well; issue for a different forum.

My question is, has anyone been in contact with sony and asked if they plan on adding all or some of the audio formats supported to DLNA and USB stick?


Yeah mine freezes a lot to, especially when it encounters things it doesn't like on DLNA, once on netflix...
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That depends on what one wants from a streaming box. I have yet to find a single dedicated streaming box that will do frame rate switching, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision, do even frame rates (24, 30, 60) and do all of this from Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. I had decided to purchase a NVIDIA Shield Pro only to discover it has been discontinued. The major reason for the Pro was 2 HDMI outs and IR control. So I will continue with my UBP-X1000ES and UBP-X800.
Yes. There has never been a device that does it all. And I doubt there ever will be. Because any device that has come close to doing everything, made compromises with some things. So you still need multiple devices to get the best of everything.

Plus a disc player is one of the worst devices to use for streaming. Since they are typically very limited in what apps they have and what features are offered.
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That depends on what one wants from a streaming box. I have yet to find a single dedicated streaming box that will do frame rate switching, Dolby Atmos, Dolby Vision, do even frame rates (24, 30, 60) and do all of this from Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. I had decided to purchase a NVIDIA Shield Pro only to discover it has been discontinued. The major reason for the Pro was 2 HDMI outs and IR control. So I will continue with my UBP-X1000ES and UBP-X800.
Yes. There has never been a device that does it all. And I doubt there ever will be. Because any device that has come close to doing everything, made compromises with some things. So you still need multiple devices to get the best of everything.

Plus a disc player is one of the worst devices to use for streaming. Since they are typically very limited in what apps they have and what features are offered.
I would say that the Sony PS3 did everything, and it did everything well. It played every file type, was good for DVDs and Blurays, streaming, etc. It's too bad that Sony mostly scrapped multimedia capability with the PS4.
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I would say that the Sony PS3 did everything, and it did everything well. It played every file type, was good for DVDs and Blurays, streaming, etc. It's too bad that Sony mostly scrapped multimedia capability with the PS4.
I bought a PS3 in 2006 for BD playback. Since it cost half as much and did a better job than all the turd stand alone players at the time. But I wasn't a big fan of streaming with the PS3. I used xbox 360s back then for most of my streaming.

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The Apple TV 4K is a pretty good device if you don’t need atmos from your locally ripped content. I have it and the 800 and I use the 800 only for the discs.


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The Apple TV 4K is a pretty good device if you don’t need atmos from your locally ripped content. I have it and the 800 and I use the 800 only for the discs.
I have read/been told the Apple TV 4K can not bitstream Atmos/DTS:X from rips, does not support full Blu-ray menus, does not pass MaxCLL and MaxFALL to the TV, no native support of 24, 30 or 60 fps and will not pass Dolby Atmos when connected to a Oppo UDP-203. With these limitations the Apple TV 4K was removed from my potential streamer list.

FWIW, I use the Oppo UDP-203 for disc and media playback. The Sony UBP-X1000ES is used mostly for streaming and works well enough because I only use Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. The Oppo and Sony had factory kits for EIA 19" rack mounting making it easy to add to my system.
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I have read/been told the Apple TV 4K can not bitstream Atmos/DTS:X from rips, does not support full Blu-ray menus, does not pass MaxCLL and MaxFALL to the TV, no native support of 24, 30 or 60 fps and will not pass Dolby Atmos when connected to a Oppo UDP-203. With these limitations the Apple TV 4K was removed from my potential streamer list.

FWIW, I use the Oppo UDP-203 for disc and media playback. The Sony UBP-X1000ES is used mostly for streaming and works well enough because I only use Netflix, Amazon and Vudu. The Oppo and Sony had factory kits for EIA 19" rack mounting making it easy to add to my system.
The ATV4K supports 24 and 60 fps via the Match Rate option.
It also support Atmos when the source is Atmos, otherwise you get LPCM. Presumably, to support their own sound overlay without changing formats.


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Well if your happy with it you could always buy the upgraded version the x800m2 that now supports Dolby vision when it gets released if it hasn't been already. Sounds like it's going to be the same price. If you don't need DV then your probably fine as is.
Ugh. I mean my TV supports DV but I haven't been buying that many disks lately so I'll probably hold off for now. I looked that up after your message and looks like that's $300. I thought maybe the price would have gone down a bit since I bought my first one but I guess not. They should really be offering discounts on the m2 since the first X800 was supposed to get DV but they won't do that. Kind of disappointing. Thanks for the info!

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They should really be offering discounts on the m2 since the first X800 was supposed to get DV but they won't do that. Kind of disappointing. Thanks for the info!
I dont know why this impression is still out there. The 800 was never supposed to have DV, that's why they made the 700.
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I dont know why this impression is still out there. The 800 was never supposed to have DV, that's why they made the 700.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm almost certain it was supposed to be provided via firmware update post release then they couldn't get it working and it never materialized.

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Maybe I'm wrong but I'm almost certain it was supposed to be provided via firmware update post release then they couldn't get it working and it never materialized.
There were many internet posters that speculated/claimed the x800 would receive a DV update but to my knowledge no one has ever produced anything official from Sony that the x800 would be updated to support DV. I've had an x800 since shortly after release and have been watching for such an announcement from Sony. If Sony had made such an announcement you can bet someone in this thread could produce a link to it.
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The ATV4K supports 24 and 60 fps via the Match Rate option.
It also support Atmos when the source is Atmos, otherwise you get LPCM. Presumably, to support their own sound overlay without changing formats.


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The ATV 4K supports Dolby Atmos from the streaming services. And outputs in the Dolby MAT format for Atmos. Of course from my UHD BD rips, only pcm is output.

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Ugh. I mean my TV supports DV but I haven't been buying that many disks lately so I'll probably hold off for now. I looked that up after your message and looks like that's $300. I thought maybe the price would have gone down a bit since I bought my first one but I guess not. They should really be offering discounts on the m2 since the first X800 was supposed to get DV but they won't do that. Kind of disappointing. Thanks for the info!
Well just watch for sales as once the exclusive brand new product wears off there will be better prices. They have had good prices on the x800 now that it's been out a while. I paid 300 because I had just bought my first 4k hdr set and wanted a player that could do it all and Sony released the 800. It was worth the money considering everything it can play and the build quality. I have a bunch of sacd and DVD audio disks I might still like to play and it cleared out my a/v shelf of a few players just to cover everything. I had a Pioneer 563a, then a Denon 757 so I could play movies and high res audio disks, plus a HD DVD player and a first gen Panasonic BD10a for Blue Ray disks.
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The ATV 4K supports Dolby Atmos from the streaming services. And outputs in the Dolby MAT format for Atmos. Of course from my UHD BD rips, only pcm is output.
It is important to distinguish, that the Atmos playback on aTV 4K is dependent on the flavor, not the source of the stream.
If it is the lossy Dolby Digital Plus, then tvOS 12 will play it (provided the Magic Cookie in the MP4 file is also correct).
In real life, it is true, that rarely any other source besides streaming services ever provides the lossy version of Atmos.
The lossless variation is much more available thanks to bluray rips.
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There were many internet posters that speculated/claimed the x800 would receive a DV update but to my knowledge no one has ever produced anything official from Sony that the x800 would be updated to support DV. I've had an x800 since shortly after release and have been watching for such an announcement from Sony. If Sony had made such an announcement you can bet someone in this thread could produce a link to it.
There'll be no DV update for X800. X800 hardware design prevents such.

Reference: See all reviews (link) with Sony North America Support responses.

"In relation to the Dolby Vision, Sony doesn’t have any plan to update Dolby Vision for UBP-X800. We looked at all options to update this model but were unsuccessful due to hardware limitations." - Erin, 5/25/19

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I'm currently using this player with a x900e display and have been for quite some time.

When watching a standard Blu-Ray the other night (Maze Runner I believe) I felt like I was noticing some slight ghosting during dimly lit scenes. For instance, in a scene zoomed in on an actors face at night, you can clearly see every pore and fiber, but when he moves the details became muddier and a bit blurry.

I wondered if I've properly configured the "4k Upscale" setting on the player. In my mind, the TV should do a better job at up-scaling, correct? Should I have the Upscale setting on Auto 1, Auto 2, or Off? The manual is a little bit confusing as to what setting is needed to send a non-upscaled picture to the TV. I'm confused if it needs to be set to Auto1 or Off.

Any help?

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There'll be no DV update for X800. X800 hardware design prevents such.

Reference: See all reviews (link) with Sony North America Support responses.

"In relation to the Dolby Vision, Sony doesn’t have any plan to update Dolby Vision for UBP-X800. We looked at all options to update this model but were unsuccessful due to hardware limitations." - Erin, 5/25/19

https://www.sony.com/electronics/blu...ers/ubp-x800m2

Honestly I doubt Sony ever had any intention of adding DV to the x800. No big deal to me because DV is not a must have for me. HDR10 is more then good enough. What does bother me a bit is is that Sony releases pretty much the exact same model but with DV added. Why because the x700 was a step back design wise and quality wise.
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I'm currently using this player with a x900e display and have been for quite some time.

When watching a standard Blu-Ray the other night (Maze Runner I believe) I felt like I was noticing some slight ghosting during dimly lit scenes. For instance, in a scene zoomed in on an actors face at night, you can clearly see every pore and fiber, but when he moves the details became muddier and a bit blurry.

I wondered if I've properly configured the "4k Upscale" setting on the player. In my mind, the TV should do a better job at up-scaling, correct? Should I have the Upscale setting on Auto 1, Auto 2, or Off? The manual is a little bit confusing as to what setting is needed to send a non-upscaled picture to the TV. I'm confused if it needs to be set to Auto1 or Off.

Any help?

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Watch the scene over and try it both Auto 1 and off. I shut that off and allow television to upscale. Yes it is confusing.
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I'm currently using this player with a x900e display and have been for quite some time.

When watching a standard Blu-Ray the other night (Maze Runner I believe) I felt like I was noticing some slight ghosting during dimly lit scenes. For instance, in a scene zoomed in on an actors face at night, you can clearly see every pore and fiber, but when he moves the details became muddier and a bit blurry.

I wondered if I've properly configured the "4k Upscale" setting on the player. In my mind, the TV should do a better job at up-scaling, correct? Should I have the Upscale setting on Auto 1, Auto 2, or Off? The manual is a little bit confusing as to what setting is needed to send a non-upscaled picture to the TV. I'm confused if it needs to be set to Auto1 or Off.

Any help?

Thanks!
Auto 1 upscale setting will NOT upscale 1080p videos ONLY when connected to a compatible Sony display...for any other manufacturer display, the player will do the upscaling. Obviously, Sony believes their displays will do a better job than their 800.

Auto 2 upscale setting will do the 4K upscaling all the time..

OFF setting... no upscaling.
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Originally Posted by osu fan View Post
Just had a UX80 delivered from Best Buy. Holy cow this thing is 10x the weight of my Sony 470 blu-ray player. Looking forward to spinning some discs soon
Yes, it's a real player, not a plastic toy.
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