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Got a chance to buy the X80 (Best Buy version) for ~$80 used. I have a 4K non-hdr TV, and a non 4K receiver. This player is about my only choice in getting high quality audio to my receiver and 4K to my tv without having to upgrade the receiver. Usually use my Xbox for Netflix, 4K blu ray, and Spotify. Unfortunately with my receiver I’m limited to stereo or compressed surround through Toslink. Currently I have a 4ch setup, and plan to add channels as time comes. I don’t have any SACD, or DVD-A but if I had this player I would test it. btw my receiver can pass dsd. I do like the fact it can play about any disc format. Anyone tried the DSEE HX when playing regular CDs? Does Netflix play well?

Currently my only other option is the AVR Key from HDFury, and that doesn’t seem as reliable, or future proof but I don’t know. Sort of bypassing my Xbox altogether but is this a good buy? I have an older Sony blu ray player but it’s slow and can only to 1080p...and some apps have lost support.
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I've been using the AVR key for a couple of years now with a non 4k avr and it's been rock solid. I tried a number of different cheaper devices at the time but none came close to the key.

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I’m considering the key, but also this player. Not sure which route I want to go.
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I got the x800 because it had a separate sound output for my non 4k avr but it did not work. Hence I got the avr key and use it with an hdmi switch with my 4k devices
(atv4k, firetv4k, kodi, x800). I think the HDMI version for an avr has to be 1.4 or later which mine isn't.

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Is there a way to test that? Because mine is version 1.3....
very interesting news. And was that for everything or specifically uhd blu rays, Netflix, or a regular blu ray? I would think a regular blu ray wouldn’t be an issue. Or maybe an hdcp codec?
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I think I had to figure it by year of introduction for hdmi versions. My avrs (2009) manual doesn't mention it.

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Neither my Sony nor my Harmony remote will connect to the x800. It connected fine last weekend and today, nothing. The movie comes up and I can't control the menu to play the movie or anything in the menu. I tried changing the batteries and Blu-ray/4k movies and that didn't fix it. Restarted the player and still the same issue. What could be the problem?
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Neither my Sony nor my Harmony remote will connect to the x800. It connected fine last weekend and today, nothing. The movie comes up and I can't control the menu to play the movie or anything in the menu. I tried changing the batteries and Blu-ray/4k movies and that didn't fix it. Restarted the player and still the same issue. What could be the problem?
Have you unplugged the player for a few minutes and tried again? It is not a connection problem in that the X800 uses the typical IR line of sight commands and not a Bluetooth wireless connection. So, make sure there is still a clear line of sight to the IR receiver on the front face of the player. If still not working, maybe try resetting the player back to factory defaults? Pretty rare that just the IR receiver circuit in the player would go bad....
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Have you unplugged the player for a few minutes and tried again? It is not a connection problem in that the X800 uses the typical IR line of sight commands and not a Bluetooth wireless connection. So, make sure there is still a clear line of sight to the IR receiver on the front face of the player. If still not working, maybe try resetting the player back to factory defaults? Pretty rare that just the IR receiver circuit in the player would go bad....
Thanks. It worked an hour later and again today. Electronics can be finicky.
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What’s the main difference between the 800 and the 700 Sony?
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What’s the main difference between the 800 and the 700 Sony?
The X800 is a universal disc player.

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What’s the main difference between the 800 and the 700 Sony?

Build quality, the 800 is much better and the 800 has the ability to play almost any type of optical disk you throw at it, very handy if you are into music and SACD or DVD-A.

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What’s the main difference between the 800 and the 700 Sony?
The X700 does Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG. While the X800 does HDR10 and HLG.

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OFFICIAL Sony UBP-X800 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

I need to replace my x800 at some point. Didn’t understand about the 4K formats at the time and getting a 4K tv finally and need a player with Dolby Vision. I bought the x800 two years ago to replace a 9 year old BR player. Started buying 4K discs as well since they tend to have Atmos and DTS:X more often and that gets left off BR a lot. Downscaling has been fine mostly. Oh well


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I went from the 800 to the 800.M2. The M2 is a very nice unit and if you want to stay with this level Sony a worthwhile step up.
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I got the x800 because it had a separate sound output for my non 4k avr but it did not work. Hence I got the avr key and use it with an hdmi switch with my 4k devices
(atv4k, firetv4k, kodi, x800). I think the HDMI version for an avr has to be 1.4 or later which mine isn't.

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Got this player the other day. No issues. I have hdmi 1.3. Hardest part was trying to figure out how to turn the hdmi out OFF. Might not be that simple for anyone else, but had 2 receivers and both worked fine, both non 4k. using a composite for monitor out on the receiver would work too to trip the receiver to pass audio even though it detects not passing through the tv.
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So I finally upgraded to a 4K OLED today, been using my X800 with a plasma for a couple of years (needed a new BR player and figured might as well). I'm unsure if I have the color sampling set correctly? I just left it on auto with deep color enabled. My Denon reported it was getting a 4K/24p YcBcCr 4:4:4 signal. Just wondering if I should be setting it manually to say 4:2:2?

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That sounds right. You will see the numbers change depending on the disc used for playback.
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That sounds right. You will see the numbers change depending on the disc used for playback.
Are you sure? I thought discs were mastered at 4:2:0 or something like that? I was playing the 5th Element UHD and it was reporting 4:4:4 instead in the Denon signal in/out display so it seemed like the player was upconverting to 4:4:4 because it probably detected the Denon and LG OLED could handle it. I tried setting it manually to 4:2:2 and couldn't see any difference visually on a handful of scenes so kinda not sure what to do with it at this point. I don't want to sacrifice any PQ etc. but I don't think I need to be converting to a format that uses a ton more bandwidth just because the connection chain can handle it if there's no actual benefit.

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That sounds right. You will see the numbers change depending on the disc used for playback.
That depends. If set to 422 it can stay at 422 since the HDMi spec requires 422 to always be in 12 bit. And it can be used at 2160P60 or 2160P24.
While 444 at 2160P60 has to drop down to 8 bit. Which you do not want for HDR content. At 2160P24 444 can be 10 bit or 12 bit.

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Are you sure? I thought discs were mastered at 4:2:0 or something like that? I was playing the 5th Element UHD and it was reporting 4:4:4 instead in the Denon signal in/out display so it seemed like the player was upconverting to 4:4:4 because it probably detected the Denon and LG OLED could handle it. I tried setting it manually to 4:2:2 and couldn't see any difference visually on a handful of scenes so kinda not sure what to do with it at this point. I don't want to sacrifice any PQ etc. but I don't think I need to be converting to a format that uses a ton more bandwidth just because the connection chain can handle it if there's no actual benefit.
The discs are using 420. But the HDMI 2.0 spec only allows the 420 colorspace to be used at 2160P60(or 2160P50).
The HDMi 2.0 spec does not allow the 420 colorspace to be to be used for any other framerate at 2160P.

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The discs are using 420. But the HDMI 2.0 spec only allows the 420 colorspace to be used at 2160P60(or 2160P50).
The HDMi 2.0 spec does not allow the 420 colorspace to be to be used for any other framerate at 2160P.

Thanks. So what’s your take on my question? Should I set manually to 4:2:2 like I have for now or leave it on auto and trust the player to output correctly as needed?


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Thanks. So what’s your take on my question? Should I set manually to 4:2:2 like I have for now or leave it on auto and trust the player to output correctly as needed?
I leave mine at auto all times and do not worry about that figure. As was mentioned, all consumer video is produced in 4:2:0 and running the HDMI link on 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 has no impact on the movie image quality.
It will switch down to 4:2:2 to maintain 10/12-bit output required by HDR formats.
The only things that would benefit from higher than 4:2:0 chroma subsampling are the UI elements. But this player's UI is visually irrelevant anyway.
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I leave mine at auto all times and do not worry about that figure. As was mentioned, all consumer video is produced in 4:2:0 and running the HDMI link on 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 has no impact on the movie image quality.
It will switch down to 4:2:2 to maintain 10/12-bit output required by HDR formats.
The only things that would benefit from higher than 4:2:0 chroma subsampling are the UI elements. But this player's UI is visually irrelevant anyway.
Hmm, well I was maintaining 4:4:4 12bit on the UHD of Fifth Element, but it was running at 24p so maybe that's why. Or my Denon is reading the incoming signal incorrectly. I say that because at least according to one HDMI spec chart I found, that should only be supported by Dolby Vision and since I have the original X800 I was just in HDR10 mode

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Hmm, well I was maintaining 4:4:4 12bit on the UHD of Fifth Element, but it was running at 24p so maybe that's why. Or my Denon is reading the incoming signal incorrectly. I say that because at least according to one HDMI spec chart I found, that should only be supported by Dolby Vision and since I have the original X800 I was just in HDR10 mode
444 at 12 bit is supported at up to 2160P30.
I also leave mine on Auto. Since my setup has no problem with colorspace changes and my cables can handle up to the 18Gbps bandwidth requirement.

As long as the x800 switches to 422 at 12 bit for something like Gemini Man. Which is a 2160P60 title. Because if it stays at the 444 colorspace, it could only output at 8bit. And you want 10 bit or 12 bit output with HDR. And I don't recall ever seeing the 420 colorspace at 2160P60 from the X800.

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In auto, you should see 444 on UHD discs at 24fps and 422 on the very few UHD 60fps discs. Same here for my X800 that is set to auto. You won't lose anything if set to 422 but don't worry about it displaying 444 if left on auto.
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444 at 12 bit is supported at up to 2160P30.
I also leave mine on Auto. Since my setup has no problem with colorspace changes and my cables can handle up to the 18Gbps bandwidth requirement.

As long as the x800 switches to 422 at 12 bit for something like Gemini Man. Which is a 2160P60 title. Because if it stays at the 444 colorspace, it could only output at 8bit. And you want 10 bit or 12 bit output with HDR. And I don't recall ever seeing the 420 colorspace at 2160P60 from the X800.
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In auto, you should see 444 on UHD discs at 24fps and 422 on the very few UHD 60fps discs. Same here for my X800 that is set to auto. You won't lose anything if set to 422 but don't worry about it displaying 444 if left on auto.
Ok thanks guys, I'll put it back to Auto and leave it then

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I've had mine for close to a year now, manufacturers warranty is about up. It worked fine when I first got it, I watched the entirety of breaking bad and Better call Saul without a hitch. Now however, I rarely get through a movie without the player locking up, forcing me to unplug and restart, after which it's usually okay. Is this is even worth contacting Sony for?

Issues like this are a pita, when there's something wrong but you can't bring out the issue. It freezes almost every time I use it now, but it's usually around an hour or so into a movie, and I can't imagine Sony will do anything beyond turning it on to see that it performs basic functions. Also, is the serial# listed in a menu somewhere like on Sony TV's?

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