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I don't think that any dealer will be getting any 205's to sell. You should register for potential availability on Oppo's official website to have any chance of buying one at list price (there were some for sale on eBay for ridiculous prices).
Well.. my dealer has proved this wrong. My Oppo 205 arrives tomorrow! List price +£100 for multi-region on all disk types.
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Since I thought about and wrote that initial post (and have had a TON of help from Bob! THANK YOU!) I spent the rest of the weekend reading as much on Audiogon and AVS Forum on the topics as I could find.
My current 7005 allows for 7.1 analog input, so I may try that as the "simplest" solution to start. Also, I do not have a 4KTV (yet) & the primary purpose of the Oppo was to improve audio for stereo.
Also, I may try XLR for L/R direct to the ML amps and 5 remaining RCA analog direct to the Krell and see what it sounds like for "HT" - as I currently do not do any room correction via the 7005.
Further, I've learned that I can get away with eliminating the DirectTV or cable box and go to complete streaming via Roku4k/ AppleTV4K box - therefore no need for a splitter/ selector for HDMI. Video out will just be direct to the TV.
Looks like the set up is going to get a bit more simple...

It would be nice if the "ideal" pre/amp existed that was just the audio portion for 7.1. Any suggestions?
Wondering what those who are NOT doing anything but 5.1 or 7.1 (no Atmos, etc) are using?
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It would be nice if the "ideal" pre/amp existed that was just the audio portion for 7.1. Any suggestions?
Wondering what those who are NOT doing anything but 5.1 or 7.1 (no Atmos, etc) are using?
The Parasound P7 is a multichannel analog preamp with two 7.1 analog inputs. I've never owned the P7 but it looks like a great preamp.

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Does this mean the OPPO is decoding MQA files when using Roon?
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Newbie question.

I currently have an Oppo UDP203 that I use for my 4k/bluray viewing as well as my USB Harddrive lossless audio playing. I just received a UDP-205 in the mail and was wondering what it really offers that a 203 does. I have it hooked up to my Marantz SR7012 via HDMI (single cable). I looked at the website and there wasn't much that really separates the two?? I don't have any MQA files, or have any idea where to get them. I have a few SACD's but not more than 10. Any idea of how to best utilize this player?

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Newbie question.

I just received a UDP-205 in the mail and was wondering what it really offers that a 203 does. Any idea of how to best utilize this player?
The analog audio is superior. Use it for stereo and/or follow the directions in the manual for using it for front LR in a surround setup. Bob has posted instructions for doing such a setup and he might be able to provide you with a number that would locate one of those posts. If you stream to the USB port, it should sound better even if it isn't MQA.

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Newbie question.

I currently have an Oppo UDP203 that I use for my 4k/bluray viewing as well as my USB Harddrive lossless audio playing. I just received a UDP-205 in the mail and was wondering what it really offers that a 203 does. I have it hooked up to my Marantz SR7012 via HDMI (single cable). I looked at the website and there wasn't much that really separates the two?? I don't have any MQA files, or have any idea where to get them. I have a few SACD's but not more than 10. Any idea of how to best utilize this player?

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Why would you spend the extra money to purchase a UDP-205 not knowing what differentiates it from a UDP-203? The differences are pretty much all about better analog output capabilities along with additional digital inputs (especially the USB DAC input). It has multi-channel analog outputs, stereo analog RCA outputs, and stereo analog XLR outputs all with better DAC and implementation than the multi-channel analog outputs the UDP-203 has. It also has the USB DAC input, coax and optical digital inputs, anti-jitter improvements on the audio only HDMI 2 output, and supports MQA. Essentially, if you're just going to use HDMI and not use the analog audio outputs, there's no good reason to spend more to get the UDP-205 over the UDP-203 - they're identical for video and very close to identical for HDMI audio (the only difference being the anti-jitter improvements mentioned).


Of course, if one wants to purchase a brand new Oppo player right now, the UDP-205's are the only option (if you signed up for an invite and got a purchase email) as it looks like there will be no more UDP-203's.
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Correct, if you want straight 2.0 playback. Note that if you turn the Sub OFF in the OPPO, the LF/RF speakers will revert to LARGE in the multi-channel Analog Speaker Configuration settings.

Depending on your setup, it may be easier to simply power off the Subwoofer.
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Bob since I have a Rel sub and they have the dual connection option one for the .1 and the second which is based on the connection directly to the front left and right speaker posts on my Amp. I wouldn't think I want to turn it off. So I guess I would need to turn it off in the Oppo menu. I have been listening to 2-channel cd's and sacd's and it sounds fine w/o turning off the sub. I guess technically I should turn the sub off? By the way Thanks so much in advising me about lowering the headphone amp volume from it's default of 75. I changed to 50 before plugging in my headphones and it was way too loud and wound up settling on a volume of 28. Does this seem odd or is this normal? I guess it depends on your headphones and although the Master & Dynamic M-40 headphones I used is not a cheap headphone its not expensive. I guess a more high end or more power hungry headphones, the 75 volume might be more suitable. I will say at the 28 volume setting it did sound very good although I guess I expected to be blown away, using the Oppo 205 DAC and amp, since previously I had only listened to these headphones with music I downloaded to my Samsung Galaxy S8 phone.

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More connection questions:

What "happens" if I connect the HDMI 2.0/2.2 output from the Oppo 205 into my HDMI 1.4 input on the current 1080i TV?
The current HDMI 1.4 input on my Marantz 7005?
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The Parasound P7 is a multichannel analog preamp with two 7.1 analog inputs. I've never owned the P7 but it looks like a great preamp.

http://www.parasound.com/p7.php

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I have the Parasound P-7, and connect it to the OPPO UDP -205 for 2.1, 5.1, and 7.1 audio listening. It is a very good preamp. Please note that this preamp accepts ABSOLUTELY no digital connections——HDMI, coaxial, optical, etc.
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Dumb question. I have a 205 that was recently purchased from Best Buy Magnolia with a build date of December 2017 that is still new and unused. I also have a new 205 being delivered today from Oppo that was just built.

If I were to keep only one, which one should I keep? In short, should those of us receiving one of these last builds be concerned about build quality at all?
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Dumb question. I have a 205 that was recently purchased from Best Buy Magnolia with a build date of December 2017 that is still new and unused. I also have a new 205 being delivered today from Oppo that was just built.

If I were to keep only one, which one should I keep? In short, should those of us receiving one of these last builds be concerned about build quality at all?
There have been no hardware changes in the model, and we've heard no reports of build quality changes.

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More connection questions:

What "happens" if I connect the HDMI 2.0/2.2 output from the Oppo 205 into my HDMI 1.4 input on the current 1080i TV?
The current HDMI 1.4 input on my Marantz 7005?
1080p or 1080i, SDR video.

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Bob since I have a Rel sub and they have the dual connection option one for the .1 and the second which is based on the connection directly to the front left and right speaker posts on my Amp. I wouldn't think I want to turn it off. So I guess I would need to turn it off in the Oppo menu. I have been listening to 2-channel cd's and sacd's and it sounds fine w/o turning off the sub. I guess technically I should turn the sub off? By the way Thanks so much in advising me about lowering the headphone amp volume from it's default of 75. I changed to 50 before plugging in my headphones and it was way too loud and wound up settling on a volume of 28. Does this seem odd or is this normal? I guess it depends on your headphones and although the Master & Dynamic M-40 headphones I used is not a cheap headphone its not expensive. I guess or more high end or more power hungry headphones the 75 volume might be more suitable. I will say at the 28 volume setting it did sound very good although I guess I expected to be blown away, using the Oppo 205 DAC and amp, since previously I had only listened to these headphones with music I downloaded to my Samsung Galaxy S8 phone.
You are going to have to think through the signal path and whether or not you want Crossover processing done for EACH of your usage configurations.

Do not do Crossover processing in more than one place at the same time.

Do not send full frequency range to your speakers AND ALSO steered bass from those speaker channels to the Sub via separate connection.

Most subs will expect you to use their LFE input -- and ONLY that input -- if you are having Crossover processing done by something OTHER than the Sub. The LFE and steered bass (due to that Crossover processing) come into the Sub together on that LFE input. The Sub should NOT be in the path of the speaker wires to the speakers if you are doing this.

For Subs that have high level inputs -- i.e., intended to be in the path of the speaker wires to the speakers themselves -- you'll have to find out from the Sub's documentation whether they ALSO want to get LFE separately the LFE input. But if so, that LFE connection must not also carry steered bass because the Sub is likely doing that itself on its high level inputs.

This is NOT simple stuff. And there are many possible pitfalls when you try to wire for multiple different signal flows.

Map out all the signal flows you want to use and ask, at each step, just what the heck is on those wires? Has Crossover processing already happened? Is LFE content already present?

And then there's the whole problem of Sub Boost and where it gets added. This will likely be DIFFERENT for the different signal flows, depending on where Crossover processing happening and whether LFE content has already been mixed in or not. Which can be a real pain in the neck.
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1080p or 1080i, SDR video.

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@Bob - Thank you again! Good to know I do not "need" to rush out and change the TV right away. Will the down-conversion be automatic based on receiving end HDMI or will I need to make a setting change on a menu in the Oppo 205?

Will audio info be transmitted via a HDMI 1.4 input?

I'm trying to see if I can get away with a quick swap in to try some initial analog through the Marantz 7005 prior to pulling the whole system apart.
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@Bob - Thank you again! Good to know I do not "need" to rush out and change the TV right away. Will the down-conversion be automatic based on receiving end HDMI or will I need to make a setting change on a menu in the Oppo 205?

Will audio info be transmitted via a HDMI 1.4 input?

I'm trying to see if I can get away with a quick swap in to try some initial analog through the Marantz 7005 prior to pulling the whole system apart.
If the signal path (including the 1080i TV) accepts 1080p you should be fine.
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End Of Orders For First Batch of UDP-205 State-Side?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but this Monday and Tuesday for the first time unlike the previous couple of weeks, nobody has posted to indicate that they received an email notifying them to proceed to place their order and which notification provided them a 3 day or 7 day window to complete the purchase by submitting payment.

Does this mean that the initial shipment of 205s has been already sold, and now we are in a pause mode waiting for the second ship to arrive in California?

Appreciate any insights on timing of any future sales.

Thanks very much.
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This may be a little off thread, but I'm not sure the best place to ask.
I have a Sony VPL-W600 Projector with a Panamorph Lens, and a 2.35:1 Stewart Screen. As you probably know you can't vertically expand a 4K image with Sony's. So I use an Oppo UDP-203 to do so. I have The last Jedi in 4K, and it happens to be DV as well. The Oppo doesn't allow any manipulation on DV. Is there any solution for this issue other than zooming and losing pixels? Norm
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This may be a little off thread, but I'm not sure the best place to ask.
I have a Sony VPL-W600 Projector with a Panamorph Lens, and a 2.35:1 Stewart Screen. As you probably know you can't vertically expand a 4K image with Sony's. So I use an Oppo UDP-203 to do so. I have The last Jedi in 4K, and it happens to be DV as well. The Oppo doesn't allow any manipulation on DV. Is there any solution for this issue other than zooming and losing pixels? Norm
Try setting the correct 21:9 Aspect Ratio and Zoom button choice while still on Home Menu. Then launch the disc.
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Try setting the correct 21:9 Aspect Ratio and Zoom button choice while still on Home Menu. Then launch the disc.
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Thanks Bob. It was a good idea, but DV disables all Video Output Setup Menus in the Oppo, returns output priority to the disc, as soon as a DV Disc is initialized. This is probably required by DV licensing, but is incredibly short sighted in light of the needs of anamorphic lens setups. Regards, Norm

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What is latest on Oppo 205 availability ! I got a confirmation email on May 9th. I know a certain amount have been offered up already .That last bigger wave of 205s have not hit the docks yet ? Correct ? Just wondering if I should have my hopes up yet .
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What is latest on Oppo 205 availability ! I got a confirmation email on May 9th. I know a certain amount have been offered up already .That last bigger wave of 205s have not hit the docks yet ? Correct ? Just wondering if I should have my hopes up yet .
BMF, I know as an Oppo dealer I can't get 203s or 205s any longer. Norm
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I was talking about the wait list for the last wave of oppo 205s straight from Oppo Digital.
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Thanks Bob. It was a good idea, but DV disables all Video Output Setup Menus in the Oppo, returns output priority to the disc, as soon as a DV Disc is initialized. This is probably required by DV licensing, but is incredibly short sighted in light of the needs of anamorphic lens setups. Regards, Norm
The three 21:9 Aspect Ratio choices should work I believe so long as you set the right one — including using the Zoom button to declare the content as 21:9 vs 16:9 — BEFORE you launch the disc. The menus are accessible at that point since the disc is not yet playing.

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Please correct me if I am wrong, but this Monday and Tuesday for the first time unlike the previous couple of weeks, nobody has posted to indicate that they received an email notifying them to proceed to place their order and which notification provided them a 3 day or 7 day window to complete the purchase by submitting payment.

Does this mean that the initial shipment of 205s has been already sold, and now we are in a pause mode waiting for the second ship to arrive in California?

Appreciate any insights on timing of any future sales.

Thanks very much.
Shrewd observation that! Please allow me to speculate a bit: there should be invitations which expired (unredeemed) over the weekend and also today (7/3) which conceivably Oppo will pass on to the next people in line. I'm guessing this may take place by the end of this week - or not. Trouble with speculation is it could have no foundation in reality - sadly. On a positive note, there are more (and larger) shipments to follow and that's not speculation! Take heart.
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I was talking about the wait list for the last wave of oppo 205s straight from Oppo Digital.
I am hoping late slackers will be included in the second/large wave during end of July/Aug timeframe- yeah I want to get my hands on one too without overpaying
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You are going to have to think through the signal path and whether or not you want Crossover processing done for EACH of your usage configurations.

Do not do Crossover processing in more than one place at the same time.

Do not send full frequency range to your speakers AND ALSO steered bass from those speaker channels to the Sub via separate connection.

Most subs will expect you to use their LFE input -- and ONLY that input -- if you are having Crossover processing done by something OTHER than the Sub. The LFE and steered bass (due to that Crossover processing) come into the Sub together on that LFE input. The Sub should NOT be in the path of the speaker wires to the speakers if you are doing this.

For Subs that have high level inputs -- i.e., intended to be in the path of the speaker wires to the speakers themselves -- you'll have to find out from the Sub's documentation whether they ALSO want to get LFE separately the LFE input. But if so, that LFE connection must not also carry steered bass because the Sub is likely doing that itself on its high level inputs.

This is NOT simple stuff. And there are many possible pitfalls when you try to wire for multiple different signal flows.

Map out all the signal flows you want to use and ask, at each step, just what the heck is on those wires? Has Crossover processing already happened? Is LFE content already present?

And then there's the whole problem of Sub Boost and where it gets added. This will likely be DIFFERENT for the different signal flows, depending on where Crossover processing happening and whether LFE content has already been mixed in or not. Which can be a real pain in the neck.




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Thanks Bob, this is a little more complicated than I thought. I thought that if I chose Down Mix Stereo instead of stereo Front left/Right in my audio processing settings when I just want to listen to 2-channel music via the balanced analog xlr's that the sub low level connection (.1) is not being used. I need to leave the Rel sub on in order to have the High level (the connection to the speaker posts) to work. I think there is an option to turn of the .1 connection separately on the Rel sub and still have high level connection working. If I was able to do this would you recommend that this is what I should do?

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For multichannel audio, are you guys using HDMI or Analog audio out connections to your receiver/processor?

Was looking through Blue Jeans Cables website to buy a usb dac cable and found multichannel analog cables and I’m curious how they sound compared to HDMI?

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For multichannel audio, are you guys using HDMI or Analog audio out connections to your receiver/processor?

Was looking through Blue Jeans Cables website to buy a usb dac cable and found multichannel analog cables and I’m curious how they sound compared to HDMI?
Wouldn't that most likely depend on the sound quality of the DAC process of the 205 versus that of your receiver/processor? But simplicity of cabling argues for HDMI.

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Was looking through Blue Jeans Cables website to buy a usb dac cable and found multichannel analog cables and I’m curious how they sound compared to HDMI?

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