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Connections to LG C8 4K TV and Anthem D2

With the upcoming LG C8 4K TV to arrive the 20th of December, I have a connection question.

Any suggestions on how to connect the C8 4K TV to the OPPO 205 for video and the Anthem D2 (I know it's going on 11 years with this incredible piece of electronics) for analog audio for movies, music videos and stuff like Pandora and streaming movies?

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Is the 205 region free regarding Blu rays/4K disc?

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Is the 205 region free regarding Blu rays/4K disc?
Blu-ray: no, you need a hardware mod for that.

UHD discs are not region coded.

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Blu-ray: no, you need a hardware mod for that.

UHD discs are not region coded.

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Is anyone else noticing lip sync issues with the HDMI input over periods of time with the latest firmware?

This never used to be an issue, but with the latest official firmware after a few hours the lip sync with my DISH Hopper 3 is noticeably off.

Power cycling either the Hopper or the BDP-205 will usually (though not always) restore proper sync (sometimes you need to power cycle both.) Kucharsk
Yes I've had this problem but goes back 2 updates. It worked fine until that update but when I turn on TV tuner picture is always out of sync. It is corrected by going into 205 menu selecting HDMI Audio and selecting any one setting(of the 4) and activating it. This corrects sync. Every time I turn on TV decoder I have to repeat this action. It doesn't matter which setting I choose in HDMI Audio, changing it corrects sync. Power cycling does not always work as you mention.

I've been to Oppo support and they couldn't solve it. If I turn on TV tuner before Oppo 205 it is in sync sometimes. I think its something to do with HDMI hand shaking at 205 input when 205 is already on. Anyway I live with it and these days not using my TV tuner much. It occasionally goes out of sync with AV computer which is also on HDMI input.

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I want to to stream Tidal to the USB input of the 205.
What would be the best way to get this without spending an arm and a leg?

I have a Bluesound Node 1 and 2 that I can use to analog out from but wanted to take advantage of the USB DAC in the Oppo 205 and see if it makes much difference?

I’m not totally computer illiterate but I don’t want to have to jump through hoops either to get this done.
I’ve thought about the small Allo USBridge but I’m not sure if that’s a viable option or not.

I have a laptop and or could refurb an older desktop to accommodate this but thinking there has to be a better solution.

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Interesting I found 205's that are region-free on Amazon (at a high cost).

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I want to to stream Tidal to the USB input of the 205.
What would be the best way to get this without spending an arm and a leg?

I have a Bluesound Node 1 and 2 that I can use to analog out from but wanted to take advantage of the USB DAC in the Oppo 205 and see if it makes much difference?

I’m not totally computer illiterate but I don’t want to have to jump through hoops either to get this done.
I’ve thought about the small Allo USBridge but I’m not sure if that’s a viable option or not.

I have a laptop and or could refurb an older desktop to accommodate this but thinking there has to be a better solution
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for starters you could try to use your existing laptop to see if oppo usb dac worth your attention



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Interesting I found 205's that are region-free on Amazon (at a high cost).
They have had the hardware mod applied.

See the FAQ for do-it-yourself options: Region Free Modifications.

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I want to to stream Tidal to the USB input of the 205.
What would be the best way to get this without spending an arm and a leg?

I have a Bluesound Node 1 and 2 that I can use to analog out from but wanted to take advantage of the USB DAC in the Oppo 205 and see if it makes much difference?

I’m not totally computer illiterate but I don’t want to have to jump through hoops either to get this done.
I’ve thought about the small Allo USBridge but I’m not sure if that’s a viable option or not.

I have a laptop and or could refurb an older desktop to accommodate this but thinking there has to be a better solution.

Thanks,
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I use an old (2012 model I believe) Macbook laptop to stream Tidal through my Oppo 205. Make sure you read the Tidal setup guide on the Oppo's product support page to ensure you are using the appropriate settings. The Oppo is connected to my Yamaha 3070 using the balanced outputs. I don't use a fancy USB cable between my Mac and the Oppo so you don't need to spend a lot of money there.

I also have a Bluesound Node 2 that is connected via coax digital cable directly to my Yamaha. In random listening tests with friends and family it appears that the laptop streaming via the Oppo always comes out on top over the Node 2. These aren't scientific experiments so read into it what you will.
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I use an old (2012 model I believe) Macbook laptop to stream Tidal through my Oppo 205. Make sure you read the Tidal setup guide on the Oppo's product support page to ensure you are using the appropriate settings. The Oppo is connected to my Yamaha 3070 using the balanced outputs. I don't use a fancy USB cable between my Mac and the Oppo so you don't need to spend a lot of money there.

I also have a Bluesound Node 2 that is connected via coax digital cable directly to my Yamaha. In random listening tests with friends and family it appears that the laptop streaming via the Oppo always comes out on top over the Node 2. These aren't scientific experiments so read into it what you will.
Same here, but with a dedicated windows 10 pc to the OPPO USB-in, a new Node 2i with coax to the OPPO (and Toslink directly to the AVR) and then to a Marantz 8802A with an XLR connection. The OPPO is a better sounding DAC to my ears than my Marantz (or the Node through analog to the AVR), but listening to Tidal hifi/MQA is easier with an iPad/iPhone driving the Node + OPPO than through the laptop. No need to come out of your chair , so I use both methods as there is not a night and day difference but big enough for moments of critical listening. For files (FLAC or Hires) I also use the pc with an attached USB-drive (better UI then connected directly to the OPPO). Difference with Tidal between USB-in or COAX-in of the OPPO is too little for me (jitter?; I did not have the time yet to really compare, but I doubt I can tell the difference). There is quite a difference between the Node 2 and 2i on analog I read, but I am not sure this has any effect on Toslink/Coax out of the Bluesound between both versions.

So, why not connect the Node digitally to the OPPO for starters?

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Same here, but with a dedicated windows 10 pc to the OPPO USB-in, a new Node 2i with coax to the OPPO (and Toslink directly to the AVR) and then to a Marantz 8802A with an XLR connection. The OPPO is a better sounding DAC to my ears than my Marantz (or the Node through analog to the AVR), but listening to Tidal hifi/MQA is easier with an iPad/iPhone driving the Node + OPPO than through the laptop. No need to come out of your chair , so I use both methods as there is not a night and day difference but big enough for moments of critical listening. For files (FLAC or Hires) I also use the pc with an attached USB-drive (better UI then connected directly to the OPPO). Difference with Tidal between USB-in or COAX-in of the OPPO is too little for me (jitter?; I did not have the time yet to really compare, but I doubt I can tell the difference). There is quite a difference between the Node 2 and 2i on analog I read, but I am not sure this has any effect on Toslink/Coax out of the Bluesound between both versions.

So, why not connect the Node digitally to the OPPO for starters?

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One word plus and acronym, Full MQA

I want to get the most out of the Oppo/Tidal experience.
Not sure I’ll gain anything vs analog out of the Bluesound product but want to try.

I guess the laptop USB would be the easiest to test
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One word plus and acronym, Full MQA

I want to get the most out of the Oppo/Tidal experience.
Not sure I’ll gain anything vs analog out of the Bluesound product but want to try.

I guess the laptop USB would be the easiest to test
Most(/all?) MQA on Tidal is 88.4 or 96/24 that is supported through toslink/coax in the OPPO: "TIDAL has partnered with MQA to deliver something infinitely better: an authenticated and unbroken version (typically 96 kHz / 24 bit) with the highest-possible resolution—as flawless as it sounded in the mastering suite. And exactly as the artist intended it to sound."

Only with MQA disks or local files OPPO reports back higher 'unfolding' resolution than 88.4/96. So, if this proves anything, I doubt there will that much quality difference, except for advantages of asynchronous over S/PDIF.

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Most(/all?) MQA on Tidal is 88.4 or 96/24 that is supported through toslink/coax in the OPPO: "TIDAL has partnered with MQA to deliver something infinitely better: an authenticated and unbroken version (typically 96 kHz / 24 bit) with the highest-possible resolution—as flawless as it sounded in the mastering suite. And exactly as the artist intended it to sound."

Only with MQA disks or local files OPPO reports back higher 'unfolding' resolution than 88.4/96. So, if this proves anything, I doubt there will that much quality difference, except for advantages of asynchronous over S/PDIF.

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My understanding is, it won’t do the “full” unfold of MQA except through USB.

I could be wrrrr, I could be wrrr, I might be mistaken though...

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My understanding is, it won’t do the “full” unfold of MQA except through USB.

I could be wrrrr, I could be wrrr, I might be mistaken though...

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As far as I know, you are correct: only USB-in can do 'full' unfold of MQA with current firmware, as it will with discs and local files. My point is that it looks like there nothing more to unfold than 96/24 with Tidal. That is what they say on their site, that is what OPPO reports back on USB-input and unfold resolution. Who am I to question that?

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I have a Windows 10 HTPC. Can I output multichannel audio from HTPC to the Oppo 205 via USB audio out or does multichannel have to be via HDMI onlyto the Oppo?
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I have a Windows 10 HTPC. Can I output multichannel audio from HTPC to the Oppo 205 via USB audio out or does multichannel have to be via HDMI onlyto the Oppo?
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With the upcoming LG C8 4K TV to arrive the 20th of December, I have a connection question.

Any suggestions on how to connect the C8 4K TV to the OPPO 205 for video and the Anthem D2 (I know it's going on 11 years with this incredible piece of electronics) for analog audio for movies, music videos and stuff like Pandora and streaming movies?

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I use a pc connected directly to the 205's USB Dac input. The PC is also my Roon Core, and I control play back with an iPad. The 205 does MQA unfold and render with Tidal's MQA Master music.

Then its analog out to my Denon AVR set to Music Direct.....very nice sound!
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The 205 does MQA unfold and render with Tidal's MQA Master music.
Does the 205 display 192 kHz after it does the second unfolding?

I have a 205 in the rack, but I've not tried it's DAC for playing computer files. Instead I use the DAC in an Ayre digital hub, but it does not process MQA -- Charles Hansen was an MQA skeptic. Roon does the first unfolding, so the Ayre displays 96 kHz. The sound is superb with the Ayre DAC.

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Does the 205 display 192 kHz after it does the second unfolding?

I have a 205 in the rack, but I've not tried it's DAC for playing computer files. Instead I use the DAC in an Ayre digital hub, but it does not process MQA -- Charles Hansen was an MQA skeptic. Roon does the first unfolding, so the Ayre displays 96 kHz. The sound is superb with the Ayre DAC.

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I’m sceptical also but I have Tidal and it’s “free, part of the package” so I would like to take advantage of it when possible.
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I’m sceptical also but I have Tidal and it’s “free, part of the package” so I would like to take advantage of it when possible.
"free, part of the package"? What package does Tidal come free with? Isn't Tidal a paid subscription app?
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Masters is MQA encoded.
Most Tidal Master files seem to be MQA, but are all?

When you play an MQA file, does the 205 display 96 kHz or 192 kHz? That is, Roon does the first unfolding to 96 kHz, but does the 205 do the second unfolding to 192 kHz?
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When you play an MQA file, does the 205 display 96 kHz or 192 kHz? That is, Roon does the first unfolding to 96 kHz, but does the 205 do the second unfolding to 192 kHz?
If the original file unfolds out to 192 kHz, then yes, the 205 will do that through the USB input. Not all MQA files unfold to that level; it depends on how it was created. Roon is pretty good in telling you what the music file will unfold to.

Roon by itself will do the first level render, topping out at 88 or 96 kHz depending on the original file. So if the file is a 24/192 kHz, then you will see 24/96 come out of Roon through software. You can try this by sending a playing an MQA file through Roon but with the endpoint being the 205 via network and not using the USB port which is required for the secondary unfold process. If the file was originally something lesser like 24/44.1, then you will get 24/44.1 unless you choose the upsampling feature.

MQA only gets the second level unfold in concert with a hardware DAC since the MQA software needs to know the specs and capabilities of the DAC itself as part of the process. In theory a device like the 205 could do second level unfolding via other inputs than the USB port but that's never been offered.
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When you play an MQA file, does the 205 display 96 kHz or 192 kHz? That is, Roon does the first unfolding to 96 kHz, but does the 205 do the second unfolding to 192 kHz?
A Tidal Master file is MQA by definition.

No, with Tidal MQA it is 88.4 or 96, so no more unfolding, according to the OPPO info screen, and also the Tidal site; see my earlier quote. It WILL do extra unfolding with discs or local MQA files to 192 or 384 kHz. I do not use Roon, but I guess if you can play a file that is encoded from a 192 or 384 original the OPPO will render it correctly, as it does for local files.

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If the original file unfolds out to 192 kHz, then yes, the 205 will do that through the USB input. Not all MQA files unfold to that level; it depends on how it was created. Roon is pretty good in telling you what the music file will unfold to.

Roon by itself will do the first level render, topping out at 88 or 96 kHz depending on the original file. So if the file is a 24/192 kHz, then you will see 24/96 come out of Roon through software.

MQA only gets the second level unfold in concert with a hardware DAC since the MQA software needs to know the specs and capabilities of the DAC itself as part of the process.
Thanks for the explanation, Sevenfeet. I'm passing Roon to an Ayre QX-5 digital hub via ethernet. Ayre does no MQA processing so I see the 96 kHz Roon sends. I haven't compared the two, but I suspect the QX-5 DAC is superior to the 205 DAC and that the difference between 96 and 192 kHz would be less than the difference in the DACs.

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Thanks for the explanation, Sevenfeet. I'm passing Roon to an Ayre QX-5 digital hub via ethernet. Ayre does no MQA processing so I see the 96 kHz Roon sends. I haven't compared the two, but I suspect the QX-5 DAC is superior to the 205 DAC and that the difference between 96 and 192 kHz would be less than the difference in the DACs.

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By DAC I meant the implementation of the process of converting digital to analog, not just the chip. I've used the 205 DAC only for playing 4K Blu-ray, but I should try a CD or SACD. I rarely play discs since I installed Roon.

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