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You're talking in circles. I think we both explained why we have are displays on. You apparently aren't grasping that. Both jaredmmyers and myself asked you specific questions that you don't seem to want to answer. I'm out as this looks like it'll go nowhere.

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Thanks Bill, agreed.

I just fired up the 205 in 2 channel mode from and played from a USB. While playing the song, I hit the pure audio button which made the screen go black. The music continued to play and I toggled the pure audio button back which brought the screen back on. I did this several times and can attest there is absolutely no difference in the sound quality between the two.

Screen on for me; knowing I am already getting the best sound I can. Obviously every setup is different so maybe in some situations it will make a difference, it does not in mine.

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Guys, leaving the TV turned on while also using Pure Audio in the OPPO during music listening has no effect on the audio output quality from the OPPO.

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Thanks for clarifying Bob. I found the same to be true.
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Guys, leaving the TV turned on while also using Pure Audio in the OPPO during music listening has no effect on the audio output quality from the OPPO.

Leaving the TV turned on while NOT also using Pure Audio probably *ALSO* has no effect on the audio output quality from the OPPO. The internal shielding of signal paths in the player is quite good, by design. However, Pure Audio is available as an additional, sort of "belt and suspenders" insurance for folks concerned about this.

Personally I use Pure Audio simply as a convenient way to blank my TV screen.

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I should add, bench test reports like this are not out yet for the 205, but for the 105 and 105D I don't recall anyone having published a bench test showing that engaging Pure Audio made a significant difference in the audio output quality. It MIGHT, and turning off the video processing path certainly helps insure that. But I don't believe anyone has actually published tests showing a meaningful difference.
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As always thanks for your thoughts ! Hopefully "some" will learn from your above thoughts . I believe you posted the above quite awhile ago when the subject came up on earlier Oppo players. Thanks again!

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Thanks Bill, agreed.

I just fired up the 205 in 2 channel mode from and played from a USB. While playing the song, I hit the pure audio button which made the screen go black. The music continued to play and I toggled the pure audio button back which brought the screen back on. I did this several times and can attest there is absolutely no difference in the sound quality between the two.

Screen on for me; knowing I am already getting the best sound I can. Obviously every setup is different so maybe in some situations it will make a difference, it does not in mine.

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Jared,

Thanks for your thoughts, well said ! It looks like the 205 will be in my system in the very near future.

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Bob,

As always thanks for your thoughts ! Hopefully "some" will learn from your above thoughts . I believe you posted the above quite awhile ago when the subject came up on earlier Oppo players. Thanks again!

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Well if the bench tests eventually show I'm full of it, I'll have to eat those words.

But until then I have confidence that the engineers did not cut corners in the internal topology, grounding and shielding. I.e., they weren't DEPENDING on folks using Pure Audio (or having no TV connected) to get best quality audio.
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Thanks for your thoughts, well said ! It looks like the 205 will be in my system in the very near future.

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My pleasure Bill!

I have had it for a couple weeks. It sounds awesome in Dolby Atmos and 2 channel music mode.

I am sure you will enjoy it.

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As always thanks for your thoughts ! Hopefully "some" will learn from your above thoughts . I believe you posted the above quite awhile ago when the subject came up on earlier Oppo players. Thanks again!



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I guess that "some" comment was directed to me. I've learned plenty and have been at this a long time. All you've done with your comments is prove that you don't know what you're talking about or doing in general.

There is a reason why pure audio is an option that is used and why a lot of audiophiles have dedicated two channel systems but hey as long as you can see what track is playing and you're happy who cares what anyone else thinks.


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Good to know. I'm using the 205 as preamp and the difference in levels between XLR and RCA is noticable.
You shouldn't be able to tell level differences between RCA/XLR as your power amp should reduce its XLR input gain by 6dB. If the difference you hear is due to level matches, then your amp is not doing it right.

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He was suggesting a test to see if that is in fact the issue. Why would you even have the display on if you are trying to listen to pure audio anyway?


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Yes, I was simply suggesting it as a diagnostic test not a solution.
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New question: I see the OPPO has the option of Speaker Configuration, and I can make changes to the individual speakers such as +1.5dB LEVEL to the FL speaker, and -0.5dB to the Center speaker. And I can change the crossover point.

I can do the same thing in the Yamaha using YPAO.

So let's say I'm playing music from the OPPO using Analog OUT to my Yamaha RX-A3060 which is set to Pure Direct so that the OPPO DAC is being used. So far, so good.

But now I disable Pure Direct and I'm using the Yamaha to decode, and also to process the OPPO input in other ways. Do I hear a COMBINATION of the OPPO Speaker Configuration settings and the Yamaha YPAO settings? That would be no good!

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No, the analog outputs of the Oppo player are affected by the speaker configuration settings. HDMI outputs are not.
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Well if the bench tests eventually show I'm full of it, I'll have to eat those words.

But until then I have confidence that the engineers did not cut corners in the internal topology, grounding and shielding. I.e., they weren't DEPENDING on folks using Pure Audio (or having no TV connected) to get best quality audio.
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Thank you! That's what I wanted to hear.

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New question: I see the OPPO has the option of Speaker Configuration, and I can make changes to the individual speakers such as +1.5dB LEVEL to the FL speaker, and -0.5dB to the Center speaker. And I can change the crossover point.

I can do the same thing in the Yamaha using YPAO.

So let's say I'm playing music from the OPPO using Analog OUT to my Yamaha RX-A3060 which is set to Pure Direct so that the OPPO DAC is being used. So far, so good.

But now I disable Pure Direct and I'm using the Yamaha to decode, and also to process the OPPO input in other ways. Do I hear a COMBINATION of the OPPO Speaker Configuration settings and the Yamaha YPAO settings? That would be no good!
Yes *IF, AND ONLY IF* you are still listening on the multi-channel Analog outs of the OPPO. And you are right, that's not good.

If you decide to enable processing of multi-channel Analog input in the Yamaha, then you want to *DISABLE* Speaker Configuration processing in the OPPO. To do that:

1) Wire the full set of multi-channel outs to the Yamaha -- likely 7.1, but 5.1 if the Yamaha only has 5.1 input.

2) In Speaker Configuration in the OPPO, set Down-Mix to match what you just wired (7.1 or 5.1). If you wired 7.1 but have fewer actual speakers, it will be the Yamaha doing the down-mix.

3) In Speaker Configuration in the OPPO, set all speakers LARGE and the Subwoofer ON. Set all speakers/sub to 0dB Volume trim. Set all speakers/sub equidistant. ANY distance will do so long as they are all the same. You can just use the 12 foot factory default distance setting.

4) Since all speakers are set to LARGE, the Crossover frequency value in the OPPO will be ignored. No need to change that.

5) See my post earlier in this thread about setting Volume in the OPPO to 100 -- or a couple steps below that to insure against clipping as needed. ("Notes on Setting Up For Analog Output")

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ETA: As already posted above, the Speaker Configuration stuff in the OPPO has no effect on its HDMI Digital audio output, so if you are switching the Yamaha between multi-channel Analog input and HDMI audio input there are no settings changes you need to make in the OPPO. For HDMI audio, the Speaker Configuration stuff is *ALWAYS* handled by your AVR. Those settings in the OPPO only apply to its multi-channel Analog outs.
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ewe200, if you removed the hdmi cable and it still happened then you will need to contact OPPO. If you removed the hdmi cable and it stopped the audio from muting then try engaging pure audio while your display is on and see if that stops the muting. If it does, you have your fix, if it doesn't you will need to contact OPPO. Thank you to both Bob Pariseau and T-smith for jumping in to help clarify what I was saying and to help resolve the problem.
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^ I don't think the Yamaha RX-A3060 has 7.1 or 5.1 analog inputs. The stereo outs could be passed so set the Front Left/Right to large if you want to digitize for YPAO processing or to run your mains full range for 2-channel.


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^ I don't think the Yamaha RX-A3060 has 7.1 or 5.1 analog inputs. The stereo outs could be passed so set the Front Left/Right to large if you want to digitize for YPAO processing or to run your mains full range for 2-channel.


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Who here has used the UDP-250 as a replacement for your free standing DAC?

How did it compare?
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Well if the bench tests eventually show I'm full of it, I'll have to eat those words.



But until then I have confidence that the engineers did not cut corners in the internal topology, grounding and shielding. I.e., they weren't DEPENDING on folks using Pure Audio (or having no TV connected) to get best quality audio.

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The bench tests would only show the Oppo itself and not any other component that would be in ones setup like their TV, PrePro or Receiver, etc as all of our systems are for the most part unique.

My point was when doing any serious music listening why take the chance of video even having a negative impact on your listening experience but "some" just don't get that. Anyone that has ever dealt with noise in a speaker that they can't find the source of and ends up rewiring their entire setup knows what I'm talking about.


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The bench tests would only show the Oppo itself and not any other component that would be in ones setup like their TV, PrePro or Receiver, etc as all of our systems are for the most part unique.

My point was when doing any serious music listening why take the chance of video even having a negative impact on your listening experience but "some" just don't get that. Anyone that has ever dealt with noise in a speaker that they can't find the source of and ends up rewiring their entire setup knows what I'm talking about.
But if people try with and without their TV on and with and without pure audio enabled and don't detect even a small difference in audio quality, then perhaps it makes sense to go with what makes them happy rather than being so rigid... If a difference in sound quality IS noticed, then it makes sense to worry about it.
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The bench tests would only show the Oppo itself and not any other component that would be in ones setup like their TV, PrePro or Receiver, etc as all of our systems are for the most part unique.

My point was when doing any serious music listening why take the chance of video even having a negative impact on your listening experience but "some" just don't get that. Anyone that has ever dealt with noise in a speaker that they can't find the source of and ends up rewiring their entire setup knows what I'm talking about.


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Yes, I've no argument with any of that. MY point was that leaving the TV on (probably) doesn't alter the audio output of the OPPO itself.

For whatever else might be going on in your listening space / interference environment you are on your own.

For example, if leaving the TV on attracts the kids....
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^ Other considerations might be things like the TV making buzzing noises from transformers or has fans that run when it's on.
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But if people try with and without their TV on and with and without pure audio enabled and don't detect even a small difference in audio quality, then perhaps it makes sense to go with what makes them happy rather than being so rigid... If a difference in sound quality IS noticed, then it makes sense to worry about it.


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Yes, I've no argument with any of that. MY point was that leaving the TV on (probably) doesn't alter the audio output of the OPPO itself.



For whatever else might be going on in your listening space / interference environment you are on your own.



For example, if leaving the TV on attracts the kids....

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Official OPPO UDP-205 UHD Blu-ray Player Owner's Thread

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It was an example...time to move on and I guess you have since you deleted your post

I have no reason to compare as I want the least amount of devices powered on in the chain when I'm doing any type of serious music listening.

There is a difference between better and not worse. Ive said my peace, enjoy your 205...oh wait


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Have you compared the audio sound quality of Oppo players with a display on or off? Have you compared the same with a display on and then with Pure Audio on? Are there any audio sound quality differences? I ask as a number of Oppo owners in this thread have actually tested this and none have found any audio sound quality differences. If you haven't done these comparisons I can't see how you can say that there is differences with no experience or credible proof (numbers) that back up your claims. Being an "audiophile" has nothing to do with doing this comparison IMO.

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ewe200, if you removed the hdmi cable and it still happened then you will need to contact OPPO. If you removed the hdmi cable and it stopped the audio from muting then try engaging pure audio while your display is on and see if that stops the muting. If it does, you have your fix, if it doesn't you will need to contact OPPO. Thank you to both Bob Pariseau and T-smith for jumping in to help clarify what I was saying and to help resolve the problem.
This is happening when the TV is turned off. I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to test it again, but can the TV still cause a problem even if it's off? For reference, the TV is a new Sony XBR55X930E.
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This is happening when the TV is turned off. I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to test it again, but can the TV still cause a problem even if it's off? For reference, the TV is a new Sony XBR55X930E.
It depends on how the TV implements "Off". Many modern HDMI devices keep their HDMI sockets "live" even while they are "Off". The usual culprit here is HDMI CEC -- remote control over the HDMI cables. The HDMI socket has to be live for the TV to find out what's happening at the other end of the cable -- so it can respond in some fashion, such as by turning on. Normally this is not a problem.

The PROBLEM happens if the silly TV decides to cycle its HDMI socket between "live" and "not live" again and again. Every time that changes it forces whatever is at the other end of the cable to do a new HDMI handshake. And that's where you can get muting as was described above.

Due to time delays built into the HDMI handshake protocol, an HDMI handshake takes about 2 seconds -- which is my main clue in thinking this sort of silliness from the TV is the source of the problem. I.e., that your periods of muting lasted 2 seconds.

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This is happening when the TV is turned off. I'll have to wait until tomorrow night to test it again, but can the TV still cause a problem even if it's off? For reference, the TV is a new Sony XBR55X930E.


This could be HDMI CEC as Bob mentioned as that has a mind of its own. I still think this could be networked related though.

I don't play any CDs or SACDs, does this player go out and try to download album covers or any information related to the disc? If so that could be the issue as well.


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