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post #61 of 6861 Old 04-23-2017, 09:48 PM
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Since this player has now been released and at least a few people have visited Oppo Digital and picked up their players in-person, it's time to get the Owner's Thread rolling.





Please note, as always ordered/shipping/will be arriving today posts should go to the anticipation thread:
Owner's Manual: Oppo UDP-205 Ultra HD Player User Manual

Firmware Update Download/Install Instructions: OPPO UDP-203/205 4K UHD Blu-ray Disc Player Firmware Upgrade

Latest official firmware versions as of April 6, 2017:
  • Main Version: UDP20X-42-0329
  • Loader Version: TF0032
  • MCU Version: MCU205-01-1220
Knowledge Base:
MSRP: $1299

Specifications:
  • Disc Types: 4K UHD Blu-ray, Blu-ray, Blu-ray 3D, DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, AVCHD, SACD, CD, Kodak Picture CD, CD-R/RW, DVD±R/RW, DVD±R DL, BD-R/RE
  • BD Profile: BD-ROM Version 3.1 Profile 6 (also compatible with BD-ROM Version 2.5 Profile 5)
  • Output:
    • Analog Audio: 7.1ch, 5.1ch, stereo.
    • Dedicated Stereo Analog Audio: XLR balanced, RCA single-ended.
    • Coaxial/Optical Audio: up to 2ch/192kHz PCM, Dolby Digital, DTS.
    • HDMI Audio: up to 7.1ch/192kHz PCM, up to 5.1ch DSD, Bitstream.
    • HDMI Video: UHD/1080p24/1080p/1080i/720p/576p/576i/480p/480i, 3D frame-packing 720p/1080p24.
  • Input:
    • HDMI Audio: up to 7.1ch/192kHz PCM, up to 5.1ch DSD, Bitstream.
    • HDMI Video: UHD/1080p24/1080p/1080i/720p/576p/576i/480p/480i, 3D frame-packing 720p/1080p24.
    • USB Audio: up to 2ch/768kHz PCM, up to 2ch/2.8224MHz/5.6448MHz/11.2896MHz DSD.
    • Coaxial/Optical Audio: up to 2ch/192kHz PCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, AAC.
  • Audio Characteristics (Nominal) (Stereo Audio Output):Frequency Response: 20Hz – 160kHz (-3dB ˜ +0.05dB)
    • Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 120dBr
    • THD+N: < 0.00018%
    • Output Level: (RCA) 2.1±0.2Vrms. (XLR) 4.2±0.4Vrms
    • Dynamic Range: > 120dB
    • Crosstalk: > 118dB
  • Analog Audio Characteristics (Nominal) (Multi-channel Audio Output):
    • Frequency Response: 20Hz – 160kHz (-3dB ˜ +0.05dB)
    • Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 120dBr
    • THD+N: < 0.00031%
    • Output Level: 2.1±0.2Vrms
    • Dynamic Range: > 120dB
    • Crosstalk: > 118dB
  • Headphone Audio Characteristics (Nominal):
    • Frequency Response: 20Hz – 80kHz (-2dB ˜ +0.05dB) into 32ohm
    • Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 105dBr into 32ohm
    • THD+N: < 0.01% into 32ohm and 50mW
    • Maximum Output Power: 590mW into 32ohm
    • Dynamic Range: > 115dB into 32ohm
    • Output Impedance: < 0.1ohm
  • General Specification:
    • Power Supply: 110V – 120V ˜ / 220V – 240V ˜, 50/60Hz
    • Power Consumption: 65W (Standby: 0.5W in Energy Efficient Mode)
    • Dimensions: 16.8 x 12.2 x 4.8 inches (430mm x 311mm x 123mm)
    • Mass: 22lbs (10kg)
  • Operating Temperature: 41°F - 95°F, 5°C - 35°C
  • Operating Humidity: 15% - 75%, no condensation
  • Included Accessories:
    • User Manual
    • Power Cord
    • Certified Premium High Speed 6 Ft HDMI Cable
    • Remote Control with Size AA Batteries
Thanks for a great post and new thread. I wish people would share experiences about their new OPPO UPD-205 here (as the thread suggests) opposed to asking questions about a unit they do not own...I did and I hope others will follow...
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The 205 and 203 have the same video performance, even if the 205 has separate power for analog and digital circuits? Wouldn't video be cleaner/sharper on the 205, at least when using the Analog out?
I have the 105 and will certainly compare PQ with 205.
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Thanks for a great post and new thread.
Yes, it's great. I followed the 83-thread, then the 103/105 threads and now will follow the 205 threads.

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Well well time to big decitions but first things first
As it shares same actual FW (UDP20X-42-0329) with 203 are there any differences concerning the issues that remain in 203
a) hdmi lip sinc?
b) hdmi in performance with lossles audio (Dts MA & Dolby tru hd)?
c) lip sinc slider working for hdmi out2 with bitstream?


Any changes or same behavior?
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Well well time to big decitions but first things first
As it shares same actual FW (UDP20X-42-0329) with 203 are there any differences concerning the issues that remain in 203
a) hdmi lip sinc?
b) hdmi in performance with lossles audio (Dts MA & Dolby tru hd)?
c) lip sinc slider working for hdmi out2 with bitstream?
If it's the same firmware, the bugs will be the same.
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The 205 and 203 have the same video performance, even if the 205 has separate power for analog and digital circuits? Wouldn't video be cleaner/sharper on the 205, at least when using the Analog out?
No. The 203 and 205 are identical for video picture quality.

Folks will undoubtedly report differences, so we should nip this in the bud right away. Such differences aren't "real". They most likely reflect viewer bias, but may also reflect differences not yet noticed in the configuration and setup of all the viewer's gear.
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If it's the same firmware, the bugs will be the same.
Correct. Plus the portions of the firmware which handle the additional features of the 205 will likely include some shiny new bugs. Collect them all! Fresh cookies await for first reports.

The upside of course is that bug fixes benefit both players.
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If it's the same firmware, the bugs will be the same.
maybe not probably yes
Any way at 1780 euros that would be not cool at all for oppos' image
That's what i belive. Maybe wrong. maybe not
I've waited since Setember 2016 for this so if it cames out bugy then i rest without words.
I simply can not anderstant the strategical meaning of puting out this piece at such price with the same Fw without making a new one at it's release without someof the issues this one still reveals. I simply can't..

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I guarantee there will be bugs, all products have them.
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In going from my 105 to the 205, how is it handling lip sync? With my 105, i had to adjust my audio system to delay around 240ms for 1080P24 material (scaled to 4K24 by my video processor). Somehow, the 205 is doing this itself and I can leave my audio system at 0. Or maybe I'm not understanding this magic.. I'm using the second audio port to drive the HDMI audio. Watched Planet Earth 2 4K, the 205 going through a Lumagen Pro to my projector JVC RS600 was the best looking picture I've ever seen. Wow. Even my wife commented how great it looked.... SJ
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maybe not probably yes
Any way at 1780 euros that would be not cool at all for oppos' image
That's what i belive. Maybe wrong. maybe not
I've waited since Setember 2016 for this so if it cames out bugy then i rest without words.
I simply can not anderstant the strategical meaning of puting out this piece at such price with the same Fw without making a new one at it's release without someof the issues this one still reveals. I simply can't..

There will always be bugs regardless of price and manufacturer. Depending on your use you may deem them minor in the grand scheme of things. I like you would prefer it didn't have bugs, but I know Oppo will do their best to remedy all such bugs on a timely basis.

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My new AVR Anthem AVM-60 doesn't have analog audio input so the 205 is overkill for me

Plus I really love ATMOS and DTS:X
Actually the AVM-60 does have 5 Stereo Analog RCA Inputs. The selected analog input could then be set to bypass or pure direct whatever term Anthem uses to describe a non-digitized direct analog signal path.
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^ He's apparently focussed on the lack of multi-channel Analog audio input on the AVM-60. But you are correct, the AVM 60 does have Stereo Analog inputs, and Anthem Room Correction (and other processing) CAN be turned off individually for those.

The setting is Processed Audio OFF in the Input definition you establish to use one of those Stereo Analog Inputs.
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But please don't quote so much.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, hit quick reply instead of quote (which I see now can be shortened).
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...As of this morning there is no link on the UDP-205 support page for the USB driver. Do any of the Beta's know if its the same driver as the HA-1 or the Sonica DAC ?
I emailed Oppo about this but some of the people who have received their 205's may want to try this out before Oppo puts the driver download on the 205 support page.
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The Windows Driver needed for sending audio to the USB DAC Input of the 205 is now posted on OPPO's Support page for the UDP-205

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-u...5-Support.aspx

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Multi-Channel Capability

Does the 205 play multi-channel DVD audio discs or just multi-channel SACD discs? I believe the 93 did play multi-channel DVD Audio discs. I have about 20 of them.
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Thinking out loud here...

I'm sorely tempted to pull the trigger on the 205. I had the 203 for about 6 weeks before selling it to a friend who has a Sony Z9D and needed a 4K source but didn't need the audiophile features (despite having a McIntosh receiver + amp). $1300 is big coin for me and I have to talk my wife into it (she already swallowed a few big ticket upgrades already in the last year). I really want the additional audiophile features, namely the DAC USB input in a multipurpose application.

With the budget considerations in mind, I've been trying to visualize using the device in multiple places in my house. I have three potentials, two which I think I can manage. The home theater has a 2016 LG OLED 65E6P and a Marantz 7703. The 205 would be a major piece of the upgrading of my rig (a new subwoofer is also needed). But my two channel living room is all analog with mostly older equipment (Audible Illusions tube pre-amp + Parasound HCA-2200 with Curl mods and a Oppo DV-970H). I'm debating about putting the proposed 205 in the two channel room and run a long HDMI cable to the home theater. I already have a 50 ft active HDMI cable purchased from Monoprice which could fit the bill and I think it is just long enough running in the crawl space under the house. In theory, one unit could be used in both places....in theory. Controlling the 205 via IR repeaters and apps could make it tolerable.

The third use would be to have connectivity to the bedroom TV which is another 2016 LG TV, the 55B6P. I'm thinking of using one of the new HDBase-T repeaters between the aforementioned Marantz (which has two HDMI 2.2 outputs) and the upstairs TV. This is a long shot but it might work since Cat-6 wire required for the signal is already run to the TV in question and it would be easy to upgrade the connection to the home theater (which is only Cat-5e). I can probably tolerate a 10.2gb/sec ceiling for 4K content to the bedroom TV since it's unlikely I'm feeding 4:4:4 colorspace video to it, especially from commercial content.

Lastly, putting the 205 in the two channel room would solve a few problems of short analog connections I need to that equipment and access to the USB line from a Mac server just under the floor in the crawlspace. I can even hook up the Airport Express to the 205's input that I am using in the two channel room now since it's easy for my wife and the family to use via Airplay without getting the server involved. And sonically that would be better than using an Apple TV which converts everything to 48 khz audio where the Airport Express keeps everything at 44.1 khz (95% of my library is ripped lossless CDs).

Hmmmmm.....
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Does the 205 play multi-channel DVD audio discs or just multi-channel SACD discs? I believe the 93 did play multi-channel DVD Audio discs. I have about 20 of them.
I've not tried that myself, but my understanding is that yes, it plays multi-channel DVD-A discs. If you want to double-check, ask OPPO Tech Support directly.
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I've not tried that myself, but my understanding is that yes, it plays multi-channel DVD-A discs. If you want to double-check, ask OPPO Tech Support directly.
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Thank you Bob, I will. The manual is not clear about this.
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Thinking out loud here...

I'm sorely tempted to pull the trigger on the 205. I had the 203 for about 6 weeks before selling it to a friend who has a Sony Z9D and needed a 4K source but didn't need the audiophile features (despite having a McIntosh receiver + amp). $1300 is big coin for me and I have to talk my wife into it (she already swallowed a few big ticket upgrades already in the last year). I really want the additional audiophile features, namely the DAC USB input in a multipurpose application.

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The third use would be to have connectivity to the bedroom TV which is another 2016 LG TV, the 55B6P. I'm thinking of using one of the new HDBase-T repeaters between the aforementioned Marantz (which has two HDMI 2.2 outputs) and the upstairs TV. This is a long shot but it might work since Cat-6 wire required for the signal is already run to the TV in question and it would be easy to upgrade the connection to the home theater (which is only Cat-5e). I can probably tolerate a 10.2gb/sec ceiling for 4K content to the bedroom TV since it's unlikely I'm feeding 4:4:4 colorspace video to it, especially from commercial content.

Lastly, putting the 205 in the two channel room would solve a few problems of short analog connections I need to that equipment and access to the USB line from a Mac server just under the floor in the crawlspace. I can even hook up the Airport Express to the 205's input that I am using in the two channel room now since it's easy for my wife and the family to use via Airplay without getting the server involved. And sonically that would be better than using an Apple TV which converts everything to 48 khz audio where the Airport Express keeps everything at 44.1 khz (95% of my library is ripped lossless CDs).

Hmmmmm.....
I don't know of any "active" HDMI cables out there which are HDMI Ultra HD Premium Certified. I.e., that cable may give you problems if you try to send 4K + HDR video through it.

I've tried to help several folks in the past who wanted to configure their OPPO for "multi-zone" operation, and I don't think any of them were particularly happy with the result. First is the control from each room problem. Second is the feedback problem to tell what the player is currently doing. Third is the problem if you try to use more than one room at the same time.

You may come up with a scheme that you like, but my personal recommendation would be not to go down that path.
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Does anyone think they will come out with a 205d in the future? Would that even make sense with hdr?
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Just received the 205 from the postman! The picture is stellar (4k Passengers-Movie) and the sound is excellent. I put in a cd sounds great except it read the cd wrong and is showing info from some other cd Still messing around with it, but the picture and sound is great right out of the box.
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Just received the 205 from the postman! The picture is stellar (4k Passengers-Movie) and the sound is excellent. I put in a cd sounds great except it read the cd wrong and is showing info from some other cd Still messing around with it, but the picture and sound is great right out of the box.
The Oppo uses a music identifying service for your CD's that leaves lots of room for improvement!

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I noticed that a lot of people talk about comparing the analogs to the hdmi for audio quality. I have a Classe SSP-800 pre/pro and they recommend going with a coax connection for audio saying that would give the best sounding audio, stating that hdmi is not as good when it comes to audio. I myself have yet to try this as I have always used the balanced analog outs from my Denon A1UDCI universal blu ray player and have always preferred that to the HDMI and the Classe SSP-800 is supposed to have an excellent dac. Unfortunately I had a lightning strike very close to my house yesterday and it broke my SSP-800 so I called Classe and I am going to be sending it for repair. Talking to Classe today is how I heard about using the Coax connection for audio and that I might be pleasantly surprised on how good it sounds. I know this is a bit OT but has anybody tried using the coax for music listening especially if you have a decent quality pre/pro from there Oppo 105 or now 205?

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I noticed that a lot of people talk about comparing the analogs to the hdmi for audio quality. I have a Classe SSP-800 pre/pro and they recommend going with a coax connection for audio saying that would give the best sounding audio, stating that hdmi is not as good when it comes to audio. I myself have yet to try this as I have always used the balanced analog outs from my Denon A1UDCI universal blu ray player and have always preferred that to the analogs and the Classe SSP-800 is supposed to have an excellent dac. Unfortunately I had a lightning strike very close to my house yesterday and it broke my SSP-800 so I called Classe and I am going to be sending it for repair. Talking to Classe today is how I heard about using the Coax connection for audio and that I might be pleasantly surprised on how good it sounds. I know this is a bit OT but has anybody tried using the coax for music listening especially if you have a decent quality pre/pro from there Oppo 105 or now 205?
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I noticed that a lot of people talk about comparing the analogs to the hdmi for audio quality. I have a Classe SSP-800 pre/pro and they recommend going with a coax connection for audio saying that would give the best sounding audio, stating that hdmi is not as good when it comes to audio. I myself have yet to try this as I have always used the balanced analog outs from my Denon A1UDCI universal blu ray player and have always preferred that to the analogs and the Classe SSP-800 is supposed to have an excellent dac. Unfortunately I had a lightning strike very close to my house yesterday and it broke my SSP-800 so I called Classe and I am going to be sending it for repair. Talking to Classe today is how I heard about using the Coax connection for audio and that I might be pleasantly surprised on how good it sounds. I know this is a bit OT but has anybody tried using the coax for music listening especially if you have a decent quality pre/pro from there Oppo 105 or now 205?
If you look into it, I think you'll find the new Anti-Jitter Circuit on the Audio HDMI output of the 205 directly addresses what Classe is talking about -- i.e.., their suggestion to prefer Coax instead of HDMI for audio (for formats they both can carry).

See OPPO's white paper on the new circuit here:

http://www.oppodigital.com/Knowledge...ProdID=UDP-205

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I don't know of any "active" HDMI cables out there which are HDMI Ultra HD Premium Certified. I.e., that cable may give you problems if you try to send 4K + HDR video through it.

I've tried to help several folks in the past who wanted to configure their OPPO for "multi-zone" operation, and I don't think any of them were particularly happy with the result. First is the control from each room problem. Second is the feedback problem to tell what the player is currently doing. Third is the problem if you try to use more than one room at the same time.

You may come up with a scheme that you like, but my personal recommendation would be not to go down that path.
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I have the 50ft Monoprice Luxe cable. The claim is bandwidth up to 18gb/sec. I did use it for testing for weeks when I had the 203 in the house and it worked as advertised with 4K/HDR discs as well as downloadable 4K/HDR content. So for the main focus of what I need, I already know it can do the job.

But the cable does have one flaw. If you use it between an LG TV and a Denon/Marantz receiver, ARC will not work. I tried this with both my 2016 LG TVs and my Marantz 7703 and older Denon X2000. ARC also failed to work with older Monoprice Redmere HDMI cables with these devices so it must be a fundamental incompatibility. And occasionally, the Monoprice active cables wouldn't handshake at all between the Denon/Marantz and LG TV target. For my home theater, I ended up replacing a Redmere cable between the Marantz and the LG TV with a non-active cable due to all the problems.

But I have had much better luck with these cables going from source to receiver/pre-pro rather than from receiver to TV. And source to receiver is what I'm looking to do without the need for ARC.

Having said that, I have no clue whether HDMI over 10.2 gb/sec CAT6 will work, but it's inexpensive to try.

I agree with everything else you said. It's not an ideal solution to try to serve multiple jobs within the house. Control is a big problem and if something goes wrong, you have a walk to wherever the device is (at least my house isn't that big). And it may not work at all. But it doesn't hurt to try.
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