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Can one of you guys post the link for the Thriller DSD on HDTracks that you are recommending? I have previously downloaded Thriller from HDTracks and just want to know if it is the same version you are referring to. It is one of my favorite albums! Thanks.

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http://www.hdtracks.com/dsd-albums/thriller-135131
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Conclusion: [/B]The UDP-205 clearly is the king overall. The dynamic range and weight it delivers is second to none. It clearly out classes the other players by a wide margin.

agree with you 175%
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Unfortunately A/V Sync is broken for HDMI Input. OPPO is working on this, and I fully expect they'll be able to fix it in future firmware, but right now it is what it is. Curiously, it's not affecting everyone. But for the folks having this issue with HDMI Input I don't know of a workaround.
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OK I'm a real big fan of Oppo in general, but this really stinks. Add to that their (poor IMHO) decision to NOT support even basic streaming services, basically I need to have a second UHD player (like the Samsung) just to be able to stream in 4K.

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OK I'm a real big fan of Oppo in general, but this really stinks. Add to that their (poor IMHO) decision to NOT support even basic streaming services, basically I need to have a second UHD player (like the Samsung) just to be able to stream in 4K.
Doesn't your tv stream in 4K?

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Doesn't your tv stream in 4K?
It does, and that's how I watch Netflix. However, that does not help me with my JVC projector.

The bottom line, my BDP-103 was the hub of all my media, except of course cable. It was a one-stop solution for everything. I stand by my assertion that leaving off streaming services for these new UHD players (which virtually all other players have) was a very big mistake.

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It does, and that's how I watch Netflix. However, that does not help me with my JVC projector.

The bottom line, my BDP-103 was the hub of all my media, except of course cable. It was a one-stop solution for everything. I stand by my assertion that leaving off streaming services for these new UHD players (which virtually all other players have) was a very big mistake.

I am right there with you. I have had Oppo players begininng with the 83 and loved the fact that I didn't need another device for streaming. When I decided to upgrade everything to the world of 4k UHD, I chose the 205 with the thought that i could just run the Shield Tv into the HDMI input and be done with that. On my unit, the audio starts out close and just gets continually worse. Vudu is really bad. That is the one streaming service I REALLY wish they would have left on there with the Atmos playback, etc. I am trying to decide if I want to keep it or get something else. Oppo's have always been the class of the field for the money for me anyway. This is supremely disappointing
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It does, and that's how I watch Netflix. However, that does not help me with my JVC projector.

The bottom line, my BDP-103 was the hub of all my media, except of course cable. It was a one-stop solution for everything. I stand by my assertion that leaving off streaming services for these new UHD players (which virtually all other players have) was a very big mistake.
I use to use my Oppo 105D for that but since I got a Roku I stopped seeing the need for the Oppo do it and I agreed with their choice not to gum up the software or their resources trying to support it. Chrome-cast is also an alterative for cheap streaming

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Hi elderion,

I saw you have a 5700 ES and was hoping if you could help me with a question on setting up my 205 with 5700 ES and Dedicated Amp.

My Need : To use DAC in 205 and only use my Sony to control volume.

My Setup: I play Tidal from My Apple TV which is connected to Optical IN on OPPO. I have oppo dedicated stereo 2.0 Analog outs connected to Multi Channel In (Left and Right) of my 5700 ES. Analog outs for Center, and Surround speakers are connected from Oppo to Multi IN on 5700 ES. I have 5 RCA cables running from Pre Out on 5700 to my AMP. My Subwoofer is directly connected to Oppo out ( Have ordered an additional RCA to run the sub via AVR as well)

Problems: When I am playing stereo music, I see that all my 5.1 channels are playing and changing Settings on OPPO does not help. I tried changing Audio Processing - > Speaker config Down Mix to Left/Right and Stereo settings with no help. I they tried changing the Stereo out Settings which did not help either. How can I make only my front Left/Right speakers sing for stereo music and only play 5.1 when I am watching movies?

Also do you know if there's any re-digitizing going on in my setup and how to avoid it?

I appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks in advance!

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Fear of a Blank Planet Blu Ray from Porcupine Tree and Roger Waters live concert performance of The Wall are standouts. Honorable mention for Talking Heads Stop Making Sense also on Blu Ray deserves mention..
Did you mean "DVD-A" Fear of a Blank Planet?
I can't find a BluRay of that on Amazon US or UK or .de, nor fleabuy (Other than blue colored vinyl )
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Hi elderion,

I saw you have a 5700 ES and was hoping if you could help me with a question on setting up my 205 with 5700 ES and Dedicated Amp.

My Need : To use DAC in 205 and only use my Sony to control volume.

My Setup: I play Tidal from My Apple TV which is connected to Optical IN on OPPO. I have oppo dedicated stereo 2.0 Analog outs connected to Multi Channel In (Left and Right) of my 5700 ES. Analog outs for Center, and Surround speakers are connected from Oppo to Multi IN on 5700 ES. I have 5 RCA cables running from Pre Out on 5700 to my AMP. My Subwoofer is directly connected to Oppo out ( Have ordered an additional RCA to run the sub via AVR as well)

Problems: When I am playing stereo music, I see that all my 5.1 channels are playing and changing Settings on OPPO does not help. I tried changing Audio Processing - > Speaker config Down Mix to Left/Right and Stereo settings with no help. I they tried changing the Stereo out Settings which did not help either. How can I make only my front Left/Right speakers sing for stereo music and only play 5.1 when I am watching movies?

Also do you know if there's any re-digitizing going on in my setup and how to avoid it?

I appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks in advance!

Regards,
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Sorry to interrupt you. I'm pretty sure you can do what you want with a 203. Just an observation.
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Did you mean "DVD-A" Fear of a Blank Planet?
I can't find a BluRay of that on Amazon US or UK or .de, nor fleabuy (Other than blue colored vinyl )
It was a premium concert video that PT shot a few years back. It's probably out of print. I bought it from the Burning Shed website based in the UK. You may or may not have some luck there. Another possibility of locating a copy would be eBay. It's amazing. One hallmark of an excellent concert video is kick drum and this disc was like being at the venue. Amazing. I've been to hundreds of concerts in my life and I enjoyed viewing this disc as much as I enjoyed being at two PT shows personally. YouTube might be another place to look. If you get to the Lansing area I can offer you a free screening in our home cinema. Good Luck.
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In case anyone is interested. From Audio Advisor....

https://youtu.be/Y1litj0chkw
Watching this great video has me chomping at the bit to upgrade from my 203. Damn, I thought I'd pass but, he gave me compelling reasons to further investigate an possible upgrade for me.
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Can one of you guys post the link for the Thriller DSD on HDTracks that you are recommending? I have previously downloaded Thriller from HDTracks and just want to know if it is the same version you are referring to. It is one of my favorite albums! Thanks.

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When you search for Thriller on HDtracks., there is only one DSD version available. Download that one.
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I have a hard time believing the 105D has a better PQ on 1080P than the 205.
Heck the original 105 had a better Marvell chip for the picture that was even better than the chip in 105D.
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It was a premium concert video that PT shot a few years back. It's probably out of print. I bought it from the Burning Shed website based in the UK. You may or may not have some luck there. Another possibility of locating a copy would be eBay. It's amazing. One hallmark of an excellent concert video is kick drum and this disc was like being at the venue. Amazing. I've been to hundreds of concerts in my life and I enjoyed viewing this disc as much as I enjoyed being at two PT shows personally. YouTube might be another place to look. If you get to the Lansing area I can offer you a free screening in our home cinema. Good Luck.
The title for this concert video is Porcupine Tree Anesthetize, on Kscope label. Hope this helps. Believe me, if you find this and you're a porcupine tree fan, you'll be glad that you did. Too members of this thread, sorry for being off topic. In the future, i'll limit any discussions I have here to the Oppo 205, which, I intend to buy as soon as I can justify it to my better half. Cheers all and I'm envious of 205 owners. I believe that the Oppo 205 is the deal of the decade for hi rez video and audio play back. No other high end dealer would offer such an excellent and well thought out piece of playback hardware with the features and premium parts, world class support notwithstanding, owning Oppo products is a no brainer. I've spent close to three decades and probably a half million of my hard earned dollars that many of my friends might have left at the gaming casino. Choose your poison wisely.

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The OPPO players, historically, have held up very well for resale value.

So just because you didn't get a 205 THIS time, doesn't mean the temptation to upgrade is over. It will be a constant struggle!

But all seriousness aside, if your music listening is from Analog content -- vinyl or tape -- the 203 is very likely your best best.

For now.

Until the temptation to try out your Analog audio setup with high quality rendering of Digital content gets too strong....

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Oh, and 3D will be back. 3D ALWAYS comes back.

Bets on whether we see UHD/3D before we see 8K discs?
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I agree and always look forward to reading what you have to say about things in the industry where our obsession lies. Honestly, I have spent some money over at HD Tracks but, they're asking a lot of cash for these downloads. I've owned several cd's from the Chesky Brothers and they always sounded top notch, ahead of the curve from mainstream dealers. Vinyl, is a passion of mine. For me, vinyl sounds just right, often for bargain basement prices. It's not just about the money either. The hunt is an adrenaline rush for a nerd like me. Cheers!
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Unfortunately A/V Sync is broken for HDMI Input. OPPO is working on this, and I fully expect they'll be able to fix it in future firmware, but right now it is what it is. Curiously, it's not affecting everyone. But for the folks having this issue with HDMI Input I don't know of a workaround.
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Searched the thread looking for exactly this. I'm planning on getting an Oppo soon and thought that maybe the 205 wasn't having this problem (as the 203). Don't mean to take the conversion out of topic, but is there any alternative to use this functionality in the mean time, even if it's using another (different) piece of equipment? I mean splitting the audio and video (without loosing 4K, HDR, etc).
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Also do you know if there's any re-digitizing going on in my setup and how to avoid it?

I appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks in advance!

Regards,
Sachin
Hi Sachin,

You can use the "stereo-direct analog" sound field on the Sony 5700ES. This will bypass all processing on the 5700ES. You can use the small remote to get into this mode, cycle to it from the sound field option in the big remote, or use one of the macro buttons to set it up as stereo-direct analog. I am not aware of a multi-channel direct option for the Sony 5700ES. For multi-channels utilizing the Oppo 205 DAC, I use the Parasound P7 w/bypass as the pre-amp. The 5700ES is actually a decent pre-amp. The P7 is better and with small modifications, is exceptional.

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Searched the thread looking for exactly this. I'm planning on getting an Oppo soon and thought that maybe the 205 wasn't having this problem (as the 203). Don't mean to take the conversion out of topic, but is there any alternative to use this functionality in the mean time, even if it's using another (different) piece of equipment? I mean splitting the audio and video (without loosing 4K, HDR, etc).

I emailed Oppo about the lipsync issue and this was the response:

"With the latest 42-0329 Firmware the player will have better A/V sync, but it will not be perfect. It may still be between 50 to 100ms out of sync. This is something that we will be looking to address in a future firmware release.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
162 Constitution Dr.
Menlo Park, CA [email protected]
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119"
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^ Thanks for that. Good to know they're still on it.
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Problem:
Sound dropout using 205 coaxial input.
Source:
DirecTV genie satellite receiver model HR54/700.
A. When I watch any program on DirecTV and pause it for more than one minute it loses audio. If I pause it quickly sound is not lost.
B. Also when watching DirecTV if I decide to select Extras in the DirecTV menu and play Pandora it will not play at all. It drops in and out continuously. It makes no difference if I use the analog outputs the sound drops out as well when Pandora is selected from DirecTV Extras menu.
My Setup: I am running the Rouku Ultra’S HDMI output to the 205 HDMI input. I also am running the coaxial digital output from the 205 set to bitstream to my preamp/processors digital in.
(I like 2 channel surround sound occasionally.) All 205 analog 7.1 outs go to preamp/processor 7.1 inputs as well as the dedicated analog 2 channels. The preamp/processor is set to bypass analog for 2 channel.
Things I have done to correct problem:
Insured the audio output on the DirecTV receiver is set correctly. (digital)
Changed out 3 different coaxial cables.
Switched to using the 205-fiber optic input Works correctly.
Ran the DirecTV coaxial output directly to the legacy preamp/processor’s digital input. Works correctly.
Ran an additional DVD player’s coaxial output directly to 205 coaxial digital in. It works but has a lower sound quality compared to the dedicated 2 channel output or Preamp/processor. (The DVD player is acting as a transport again the digital signal is being sent bitstream.)
Note: I observed that both the streaming devices a Roku Premier and a Roku Ultra devices have a noticeably lower sound quality than the previous Oppo 95 or 105D built in streaming Apps. My Roku Ultra is going into the 205 HDMI input with the preamp/processor set to bypass. Using either the 7.1 or 2 channel analog outs the BDP-95 or PDP-105D sound much better. The built-in apps in the 95 or 105D are much fullering sounding with body and are musically pleasing. The 205 coaxial input sounds like early solid state transistors. Threadbare and sterile. If the sound is going through the sabre dacs I don’t hear it.
Can some of you guys check your Oppo 205 coaxial input using your DirecTv receiver’s coaxial out and tell me if your player behaves the same as mine. Also, why did the Apps built into the old 95 and 105 sound better. I honestly do not know why.
Bob do you have any suggestions?
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I don't understand the dilemma. If you are going to output analog you will be using the Oppo DAC, so the 205 would seem the obvious choice. OTOH, if you are going to output digital you will be using the DAC of whatever the receiving unit is, so the less expensive 203 might be the obvious choice if you're sure you wont want analog output in the future.

Why would you expect a "very good discount" on a product that's new to the market and getting a lot of favorable press? What motivation would a seller have to discount such a product?

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The dilemma is analog output quality of 203 (AKM) versus 205 (ESS Sabre). Line preamp is set up to passthrough mode. Hence, DAC and analogue layout design of player are vital. This is the reason why I have an appointment to my local dealer to hear both players.

Theoretically HDMI audio out is in favor of 205 vs. 203. Again, audition test. First in the showroom, then in my environment.

The seller motivation for a nice discount is client fidelity.
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Can one of you guys post the link for the Thriller DSD on HDTracks that you are recommending? I have previously downloaded Thriller from HDTracks and just want to know if it is the same version you are referring to. It is one of my favorite albums! Thanks.

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I have already posted the link in reply to your original request. Look back and you will find it :-)
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Theoretically HDMI audio out is in favor of 205 vs. 203.
I think you have this backward. HDMI output is digital so doesn't use the Oppo DAC; analog output uses the Oppo DAC. You shouldn't expect to hear a difference between the 203 and 205 with HDMI output.

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I think you have this backward. HDMI output is digital so doesn't use the Oppo DAC; analog output uses the Oppo DAC. You shouldn't expect to hear a difference between the 203 and 205 with HDMI output.

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Whether you can actually hear the difference between the 203 and 205's HDMI 'Audio Only' out or not is debatable, but they are not the same. The 205's has been improved. From Oppo's 205 web page:

HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction
The UDP-205 features a high-stability, high-precision HDMI clock and a special HDMI audio jitter reduction circuit. This unique design significantly reduces jitter and eliminates timing errors, allowing you to enjoy your music with increased accuracy when you use the audio-only HDMI output port for connecting the audio signal.

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I had a question for those who have downloaded the PC software. I use Jriver MC and the only playback options I see are Kernel Streaming, direct sound and WASAPI; there is no ASIO. I do have a Oppo USB audio 2.0 ASIO option, but I believe this my Oppo HA-1 and I have some issues when using that option. Is there no ASIO option for the 205? I am using Windows 7.
I don't use Windows, so I'm not sure of the answer here. I suggest you email OPPO Tech Support with this question. You can use the Email Us link on their Support page for the player:

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Hi elderion,

I saw you have a 5700 ES and was hoping if you could help me with a question on setting up my 205 with 5700 ES and Dedicated Amp.

My Need : To use DAC in 205 and only use my Sony to control volume.

My Setup: I play Tidal from My Apple TV which is connected to Optical IN on OPPO. I have oppo dedicated stereo 2.0 Analog outs connected to Multi Channel In (Left and Right) of my 5700 ES. Analog outs for Center, and Surround speakers are connected from Oppo to Multi IN on 5700 ES. I have 5 RCA cables running from Pre Out on 5700 to my AMP. My Subwoofer is directly connected to Oppo out ( Have ordered an additional RCA to run the sub via AVR as well)

Problems: When I am playing stereo music, I see that all my 5.1 channels are playing and changing Settings on OPPO does not help. I tried changing Audio Processing - > Speaker config Down Mix to Left/Right and Stereo settings with no help. I they tried changing the Stereo out Settings which did not help either. How can I make only my front Left/Right speakers sing for stereo music and only play 5.1 when I am watching movies?

Also do you know if there's any re-digitizing going on in my setup and how to avoid it?

I appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks in advance!

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This is due to a bug in the current (0329) firmware.

When playing stereo LPCM content coming in on the Optical Input of the 205, all channels of the multi-channel Outputs are incorrectly sent audio.

Until OPPO releases a fix to this bug, the workaround is as follows:

1) Wire the RCA outs of the multi-channel Analog set of the 205 to your AVR. Set the Speaker Configuration settings in the OPPO for how you want to use those multi-channel outs. I.e, no need to set Down-Mix to STEREO when playing stereo content.

2) Separately wire a pair (either RCA or XLR) from the Dedicated Stereo Analog outs of the 205 to a Stereo input of your AVR

3) In the 205, change Stereo Signal from FRONT LEFT/RIGHT to DOWN-MIXED STEREO. This configures the Dedicated Stereo Analog outs to operate independently of the settings you've made in Speaker Configuration for the multi-channel Analog outs.

4) When playing stereo LPCM (such as from Tidal on AppleTV) into the Optical Input of the 205, set your AVR to play the Stereo input jacks you wired from the OPPO. For the purest playback of that Stereo Analog input, set the AVR to "pass through" that Stereo Analog signal with no processing except for Volume control. If, on the other hand, you want to play your stereo input as 2.1 speakers output (including the Subwoofer), set the AVR to process that Stereo Analog input for Crossover. (You won't be able to use the 205 for this until OPPO fixes that bug on the Optical Input.)

5) When playing other content, set your AVR to play the multi-channel Analog jacks you wired from the 205. Speaker Configuration processing, such as Crossover should be set to happen either in the OPPO (with "pass through" in the AVR) or in the AVR, but NOT in BOTH places.

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Problem:
Sound dropout using 205 coaxial input.
Source:
DirecTV genie satellite receiver model HR54/700.
A. When I watch any program on DirecTV and pause it for more than one minute it loses audio. If I pause it quickly sound is not lost.
B. Also when watching DirecTV if I decide to select Extras in the DirecTV menu and play Pandora it will not play at all. It drops in and out continuously. It makes no difference if I use the analog outputs the sound drops out as well when Pandora is selected from DirecTV Extras menu.
My Setup: I am running the Rouku Ultra’S HDMI output to the 205 HDMI input. I also am running the coaxial digital output from the 205 set to bitstream to my preamp/processors digital in.
(I like 2 channel surround sound occasionally.) All 205 analog 7.1 outs go to preamp/processor 7.1 inputs as well as the dedicated analog 2 channels. The preamp/processor is set to bypass analog for 2 channel.
Things I have done to correct problem:
Insured the audio output on the DirecTV receiver is set correctly. (digital)
Changed out 3 different coaxial cables.
Switched to using the 205-fiber optic input Works correctly.
Ran the DirecTV coaxial output directly to the legacy preamp/processor’s digital input. Works correctly.
Ran an additional DVD player’s coaxial output directly to 205 coaxial digital in. It works but has a lower sound quality compared to the dedicated 2 channel output or Preamp/processor. (The DVD player is acting as a transport again the digital signal is being sent bitstream.)
Note: I observed that both the streaming devices a Roku Premier and a Roku Ultra devices have a noticeably lower sound quality than the previous Oppo 95 or 105D built in streaming Apps. My Roku Ultra is going into the 205 HDMI input with the preamp/processor set to bypass. Using either the 7.1 or 2 channel analog outs the BDP-95 or PDP-105D sound much better. The built-in apps in the 95 or 105D are much fullering sounding with body and are musically pleasing. The 205 coaxial input sounds like early solid state transistors. Threadbare and sterile. If the sound is going through the sabre dacs I don’t hear it.
Can some of you guys check your Oppo 205 coaxial input using your DirecTv receiver’s coaxial out and tell me if your player behaves the same as mine. Also, why did the Apps built into the old 95 and 105 sound better. I honestly do not know why.
Bob do you have any suggestions?
I don't have DirecTV, so I can't check this for you.

I suggest you get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and let them help you diagnose this. It is possible your 205 needs Warranty service for the Coax Input.

You can reach them using the Email Us link on the support page for the player:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-u...5-Support.aspx

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Bowing out. Handed over the repacked 205 to UPS yesterday, with very mixed feelings.
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Bowing out. Handed over the repacked 205 to UPS yesterday, with very mixed feelings.

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