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^ Other kewl upgrades (at least nice to have) would be a web browser and larger front panel window in order that settings changes, etc. can be made without the need for an external monitor hooked up via hdmi.

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Secrets Magazine just did the final audio tests on the Oppo UHD-205 and they found them to be excellent as they tested the limits of their test instruments. But it was also mentioned that the older BDP-105 measured the same as the 205, which I found encouraging. Since these players have already display ultra-low distortion levels, I can't see how future Oppo players (UHD-305 and UHD-405?) can improve their audio any further.
As I read the review, I note "All in all, distortion measured in the OPPO UDP-205 was inaudible. It was slightly better than the BDP-105, but the differences not significant."

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^ Other kewl upgrades (at least nice to have) would be a web browser and larger front panel window in order that settings changes, etc. can be made without the need for an external monitor hooked up via hdmi.


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question...

does anyone know if something changed in the hdmi handshaking with the new official firmware ?

prior ... I could boot my marantz av8802A, oppo and the jvc x7000 and i would the menu screen

now I am instead getting a blank screen... rebooting the marantz does nothing. i have to reboot the oppo before will get a menu up

i notice if instead i make sure the jvc has completely booted and then switch on the marantz and oppo then I will get a menu up.

prior to this official firmware I never seemed to have to bother with all this. have never had to reboot the oppo 205 ?

also the pana 900 doesnt exhibit this kind of hanky panky

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I realize that. However, I do not have a "smart" phone, I have a "dumb" one

And, I already asked Oppo if they have an "app" that can run on a windows 10 OS. They do not. They should. Therefore, I'd like to add that to my previous "nice to have" post.

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I realize that. However, I do not have a "smart" phone, I have a "dumb" one



And, I already asked Oppo if they have an "app" that can run on a windows 10 OS. They do not. They should. Therefore, I'd like to add that to my previous "nice to have" post.


I think you know you are in the minority though and the support model by companies is typically to support the masses.

App can also be used on an iPad which might be worth the investment if you are making changes that often.


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Another review that emphasizes the audio can be found at Hometheaterreview.com (sorry but I'm not allowed to add the link).
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I think you know you are in the minority though and the support model by companies is typically to support the masses.
App can also be used on an iPad which might be worth the investment if you are making changes that often.
Yes, I do realize I am in the minority and companies such as Oppo want to support the masses. So I completely agree with you.

Nevertheless, this is why I state that a worthwhile (IMO) upgrade would be to include a larger "preview" screen on the player itself to avoid the necessity of having to use an app or monitor. Wishful thinking perhaps.

The aforementioned said, in my case there are many instances where I use the Oppo for music playback only. In those instances I prefer to have my Samsung off entirely (albeit it is in standby mode) to not incur any additional electrical cost and to prolong the life expectancy of the unit in general.

So, I have found a way to circumvent having to use any monitor by better understanding the remote control key pad entry sequence; which of course can be re-keyed having nothing to do with a monitor or app of any kind.

And, obviously if I use the Oppo to watch a video the desire to have a preview window on the Oppo is moot, because in those instances I do have the Samsung powered on.

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HDMI Audio Only

So , besides the UI of the AVR, where would you one confirm that "audio only" HDMI is engaged?
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Well, we can only measure what we know

The BDP-95 used the ESS9018 DAC chip.

The BDP-105 used the ESS9028 DAC chip.

The UHD-205 uses the ESS9038PRO DAC chip.

All above chips are state-of-the-art with vanishingly low distortion and noise specs. Even if ESS came out with a new chip 2+ years from now, (e.g ESS9048PRO ?), I think we've reached the point where noise and distortion specs will not improve much when these chips are designed into newer audiophile players. At least unmeasurable by even the latest APx555 test instruments.

If there's a future UHD-305/405/505, I hope they have newer features such as (1) Vacuum tube emulation (2) Some type of room correction software (3) MQA support(?)

NO Oppo gear has ever used the ESS9028 DAC chip.

The BDP 105(D) used the same ESS9018 DAC chip as the previous 95 model employing a different implementation method......(the 83SE used the ESS9016).

Both the new Sonica DAC and UDP 205 use the latest ESS9038PRO.
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NO Oppo gear has ever used the ESS9028 DAC chip.

The BDP 105(D) used the same ESS9018 DAC chip as the previous 95 model employing a different implementation method......(the 83SE used the ESS9016).

Both the new Sonica DAC and UDP 205 use the latest ESS9038PRO.
You're correct. My mistake...
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Another review that emphasizes the audio can be found at Hometheaterreview.com (sorry but I'm not allowed to add the link).
Here

A few highlights...

"After listening to the UDP-205, some will describe it as being very accurate, and they'll mean it as the highest compliment. Others may lean more toward a term like "analytical" because they prefer a different kind of sound."

" The UDP-205 definitely excels at giving you exactly what it's given, warts and all..."

"... Rather, the UDP-205 is for the all-around audiophile media enthusiast and physical media lover who wants an exceptional high-resolution audio and CD player, as well as a damned fine headphone amplifier and an exceptionally capable preamp thrown in for good measure. It's also for the discerning listener who demands the utmost in accuracy and transparency."

"On the other hand, with Miles Davis's Kind of Blue (Columbia Records, specifically CS 64935 for those of you who are curious exactly which SACD release), I definitely preferred the precision and detail of the UDP-205. The enhanced air and atmosphere it lent to the recording. The way the bright percussion hung and wafted through the air."

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question...

does anyone know if something changed in the hdmi handshaking with the new official firmware ?

prior ... I could boot my marantz av8802A, oppo and the jvc x7000 and i would the menu screen

now I am instead getting a blank screen... rebooting the marantz does nothing. i have to reboot the oppo before will get a menu up

i notice if instead i make sure the jvc has completely booted and then switch on the marantz and oppo then I will get a menu up.

prior to this official firmware I never seemed to have to bother with all this. have never had to reboot the oppo 205 ?

also the pana 900 doesnt exhibit this kind of hanky panky
Nothing has changed in the handshake itself (as far as I know), however it may be that the 205 is booting up faster in this firmware -- thus initiating the handshake sooner than it had in the past. That would explain the difference if your JVC is slow to come alive when you power it up, so that it can't respond properly to the HDMI handshake. It is very common for displays to be slow to come alive with regards to HDMI. That's why the recommended power up sequence is in the reverse order of signal flow: Display, then AVR, then source.

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So , besides the UI of the AVR, where would you one confirm that "audio only" HDMI is engaged?
Well if you are getting audio in the AVR from the Audio HDMI output of the OPPO then it is obviously engaged.

If you mean how do you prove the "audio-only" nature of that output, that's simple too. The Audio HDMI output of the 205 only operates one way: If connected to a live HDMI input at the other end of the cable it will send HDMI audio embedded in a Black frame of HDMI video. Always. There is never movie or other content video on the Audio HDMI output. Not even the player's menus.

This is true regardless of your player settings, and without need to engage, e.g., Pure Mode in the player.

There IS a Black frame of video (at 1080p) on that cable. That's how HDMI works. HDMI audio is never a separate signal. It is, always and only, embedded in an HDMI video signal. HDMI audio is multiplexed into the "blanking intervals" of HDMI video. In the case of the Audio HDMI output, the player does that by having the HDMI output electronics produce a static, black frame of video so that there's a place to put the audio.

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So ... for those of us who liked the streaming apps like Vudu, Amazon Prime etc...what is the next available option? Does a 4K Roku box fit the bill or do I need something else?

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I would go for the Nvidia shield. Hands down the best streamer

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You're correct. My mistake...

No biggie..

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Secrets Magazine just did the final audio tests on the Oppo UHD-205 and they found them to be excellent as they tested the limits of their test instruments. But it was also mentioned that the older BDP-105 measured the same as the 205, which I found encouraging. Since these players have already display ultra-low distortion levels, I can't see how future Oppo players (UHD-305 and UHD-405?) can improve their audio any further.
Although many people find the audio quality already good enough, there are many remaining areas that could be improved.

For example, the analog output stages could be improved, Power supply noise reduced, high frequency internal noise reduced.
The electrolytic output coupling capacitors could also be removed.
Internal bypass capacitors to analog stages could be improved, as well as for the main sabre chip.
LPS could be implemented for the main chips, and clocking could be improved.
These concepts continue to be explored in the DIY forum thread on this topic.

Of course, others have hoped that room correction or atmos or DTS-X decoding would be included.

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... If connected to a live HDMI input at the other end of the cable it will send HDMI audio embedded in a Black frame of HDMI video. Always. ...
Except in cases of Audio Output > HDMI Audio Format > Off.

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Happy to report that with the latest firmware I'm no longer getting the audio pause with SACDs when set to DSD . Another fine job of Oppo paying close attention to the owners of their players. The 205 is far from perfect but it's working quiet well for me!

A quick video related question. This might be commonly known but will the 205 play PAL / R2 DVDs?

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A quick video related question. This might be commonly known but will the 205 play PAL / R2 DVDs?

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Not out of the box, but there is a free software patch -- SuperDisc -- that will make it region free for DVDs. Not for Blu-ray.

See the FAQ for details.

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Not out of the box, but there is a free software patch -- SuperDisc -- that will make it region free for DVDs. Not for Blu-ray.

See the FAQ for details.

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Thanks for that information !

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Not out of the box, but there is a free software patch -- SuperDisc -- that will make it region free for DVDs. Not for Blu-ray.

See the FAQ for details.

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the superdisk hyperlink points to http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83 and that throws an internal server error

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Although many people find the audio quality already good enough, there are many remaining areas that could be improved.

For example, the analog output stages could be improved, Power supply noise reduced, high frequency internal noise reduced.
The electrolytic output coupling capacitors could also be removed.
Internal bypass capacitors to analog stages could be improved, as well as for the main sabre chip.
LPS could be implemented for the main chips, and clocking could be improved.
These concepts continue to be explored in the DIY forum thread on this topic.

Of course, others have hoped that room correction or atmos or DTS-X decoding would be included.

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1. Test data shows no power supply noise injected into the analog circuits. if there was any, it was well below the background noise of the player.

2. Improve the clocking? The ESS dacs have excellent jitter tolerance while hardly producing any jitter.

3. Better bypassing of the ESS dac? Again, if it was inadequate, power supply noise and/or other forms of noise junk (spikes?) would have been shown up in the test plots. None ever did. Noise is
electrical in nature and not invisible.

4. As for the output cap, the one used in the 105 was of very high quality (i.e. very low distortion cap with a very low voltage coefficient). I'm assuming the same type of cap or better is used in the
205. Besides the output cap is needed to block DC into the inputs of preamps and amplifiers, which is a good thing.

5. Curious, how is the AVM60 the solution to the limitations you mentioned above?

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the superdisk hyperlink points to http://www.multi-region.net/oppo_bdp-83 and that throws an internal server error
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Well if you are getting audio in the AVR from the Audio HDMI output of the OPPO then it is obviously engaged.

If you mean how do you prove the "audio-only" nature of that output, that's simple too. The Audio HDMI output of the 205 only operates one way: If connected to a live HDMI input at the other end of the cable it will send HDMI audio embedded in a Black frame of HDMI video. Always. There is never movie or other content video on the Audio HDMI output. Not even the player's menus.

This is true regardless of your player settings, and without need to engage, e.g., Pure Mode in the player.

There IS a Black frame of video (at 1080p) on that cable. That's how HDMI works. HDMI audio is never a separate signal. It is, always and only, embedded in an HDMI video signal. HDMI audio is multiplexed into the "blanking intervals" of HDMI video. In the case of the Audio HDMI output, the player does that by having the HDMI output electronics produce a static, black frame of video so that there's a place to put the audio.

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Has anyone using the Oppo 205 also owned the Oppo 203 and found that Blu ray and 4K Blu-ray movies and concert Blu-rays actually sound better on the Oppo 205 over 203! I know Oppo 205 has a better supply and I read less jitter than 203, I wonder if you have a High end surround system you could hear a difference in the 205 over 203 with lossless movies and concerts (I know two channel analog audio will be better) ?
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1. Test data shows no power supply noise injected into the analog circuits. if there was any, it was well below the background noise of the player.

2. Improve the clocking? The ESS dacs have excellent jitter tolerance while hardly producing any jitter.

3. Better bypassing of the ESS dac? Again, if it was inadequate, power supply noise and/or other forms of noise junk (spikes?) would have been shown up in the test plots. None ever did. Noise is
electrical in nature and not invisible.

4. As for the output cap, the one used in the 105 was of very high quality (i.e. very low distortion cap with a very low voltage coefficient). I'm assuming the same type of cap or better is used in the
205. Besides the output cap is needed to block DC into the inputs of preamps and amplifiers, which is a good thing.

5. Curious, how is the AVM60 the solution to the limitations you mentioned above?
As I said, many people find the sound from this unit sufficiently good or excellent already, and there's no point arguing whether you could hear the difference or not. I certainly find the overall 205 package very appealing and purchased it myself.

Test data are of course very important but often do not distinguish between great sounding and excellent audio equipment.

For pure two channel use, and a high-resolution system, with modern high resolution recordings, I find that a dedicated DAC such as a Auralic Vega DAC sounds much better than the universal OPPO. This is due to many factors that are better in the dedicated DAC, including better clocking, reclocking, power supplies, RF noise avoidance, jitter avoidance, bypassing, better analog output circuitry etc.

One problem with having a video player etc. in the box is that you get a lot of high frequency and RF noise introduced.

3. The SABRE DAC is using high-frequency current pulses to assemble the final output voltage or current. Therefore, it does benefit from increased local bypassing as I have demonstrated myself on a 105. The 205 actually uses four times higher current...

upthread, someone else discussed the benefits of improved bypassing on the analog parts of the 205 analog stereo board.

4. You're wrong if you think it is desirable to send your musical signals through a polarized electrolytic capacitor. This electrolytic cap is generally not needed and can simply be bypassed or omitted. This will remove some of the remaining grain on female voice especially. I have also demonstrated this previously on a 105.

5. I thought it would be apparent that the AVM has room correction, DTS-X, and Dolby atmos decoding...
for two channel use such as SACD, DSD , or 96/24 etc I believe that the OPPO is probably higher resolution, but it would benefit from some modifications.

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At the end of the day, I encourage you to enjoy your equipment and listen to the music.

Since you specifically asked how one could improve the unit, I made you a list of some potential improvements that could be considered.
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Has anyone using the Oppo 205 also owned the Oppo 203 and found that Blu ray and 4K Blu-ray movies and concert Blu-rays actually sound better on the Oppo 205 over 203! I know Oppo 205 has a better supply and I read less jitter than 203, I wonder if you have a High end surround system you could hear a difference in the 205 over 203 with lossless movies and concerts (I know two channel analog audio will be better) ?

I compared both via HDMI and found no difference that I could hear. Stereo through the SE analogs was a different story. The 205 was clearly better with a wider soundstage and more focused imaging. But the 203 is no slouch, even through the analogs it will satisfy the vast majority of people who use it that way. OTOH, the balanced outs of the 205 are absolutely spectacular. IMO, it's where the 205 really shines.
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I compared both via HDMI and found no difference that I could hear. Stereo through the SE analogs was a different story. The 205 was clearly better with a wider soundstage and more focused imaging. But the 203 is no slouch, even through the analogs it will satisfy the vast majority of people who use it that way. OTOH, the balanced outs of the 205 are absolutely spectacular. IMO, it's where the 205 really shines.
Thank you for the reply! A person told me I would hear a difference with movies cause of better power supply and jitter control. But maybe it is so slight as it is not really discernible. Appreciate you sharing your experience!
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