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kucharsk 04-22-2017 01:39 AM

Official OPPO UDP-205 UHD Blu-ray Player Owner's Thread
 
Since this player has now been released and at least a few people have visited Oppo Digital and picked up their players in-person, it's time to get the Owner's Thread rolling.

https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-...-205-front.jpg
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Please note, as always ordered/shipping/will be arriving today posts should go to the anticipation thread:
Owner's Manual: Oppo UDP-205 Ultra HD Player User Manual

Firmware Update Download/Install Instructions: OPPO UDP-203/205 4K UHD Blu-ray Disc Player Firmware Upgrade

Latest official firmware versions as of April 6, 2017:
  • Main Version: UDP20X-42-0329
  • Loader Version: TF0032
  • MCU Version: MCU205-01-1220
Knowledge Base:
MSRP: $1299

Specifications:
  • Disc Types: 4K UHD Blu-ray, Blu-ray, Blu-ray 3D, DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, AVCHD, SACD, CD, Kodak Picture CD, CD-R/RW, DVD±R/RW, DVD±R DL, BD-R/RE
  • BD Profile: BD-ROM Version 3.1 Profile 6 (also compatible with BD-ROM Version 2.5 Profile 5)
  • Output:
    • Analog Audio: 7.1ch, 5.1ch, stereo.
    • Dedicated Stereo Analog Audio: XLR balanced, RCA single-ended.
    • Coaxial/Optical Audio: up to 2ch/192kHz PCM, Dolby Digital, DTS.
    • HDMI Audio: up to 7.1ch/192kHz PCM, up to 5.1ch DSD, Bitstream.
    • HDMI Video: UHD/1080p24/1080p/1080i/720p/576p/576i/480p/480i, 3D frame-packing 720p/1080p24.
  • Input:
    • HDMI Audio: up to 7.1ch/192kHz PCM, up to 5.1ch DSD, Bitstream.
    • HDMI Video: UHD/1080p24/1080p/1080i/720p/576p/576i/480p/480i, 3D frame-packing 720p/1080p24.
    • USB Audio: up to 2ch/768kHz PCM, up to 2ch/2.8224MHz/5.6448MHz/11.2896MHz DSD.
    • Coaxial/Optical Audio: up to 2ch/192kHz PCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, AAC.
  • Audio Characteristics (Nominal) (Stereo Audio Output):Frequency Response: 20Hz – 160kHz (-3dB ˜ +0.05dB)
    • Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 120dBr
    • THD+N: < 0.00018%
    • Output Level: (RCA) 2.1±0.2Vrms. (XLR) 4.2±0.4Vrms
    • Dynamic Range: > 120dB
    • Crosstalk: > 118dB
  • Analog Audio Characteristics (Nominal) (Multi-channel Audio Output):
    • Frequency Response: 20Hz – 160kHz (-3dB ˜ +0.05dB)
    • Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 120dBr
    • THD+N: < 0.00031%
    • Output Level: 2.1±0.2Vrms
    • Dynamic Range: > 120dB
    • Crosstalk: > 118dB
  • Headphone Audio Characteristics (Nominal):
    • Frequency Response: 20Hz – 80kHz (-2dB ˜ +0.05dB) into 32ohm
    • Signal-to-Noise Ratio: > 105dBr into 32ohm
    • THD+N: < 0.01% into 32ohm and 50mW
    • Maximum Output Power: 590mW into 32ohm
    • Dynamic Range: > 115dB into 32ohm
    • Output Impedance: < 0.1ohm
  • General Specification:
    • Power Supply: 110V – 120V ˜ / 220V – 240V ˜, 50/60Hz
    • Power Consumption: 65W (Standby: 0.5W in Energy Efficient Mode)
    • Dimensions: 16.8 x 12.2 x 4.8 inches (430mm x 311mm x 123mm)
    • Mass: 22lbs (10kg)
  • Operating Temperature: 41°F - 95°F, 5°C - 35°C
  • Operating Humidity: 15% - 75%, no condensation
  • Included Accessories:
    • User Manual
    • Power Cord
    • Certified Premium High Speed 6 Ft HDMI Cable
    • Remote Control with Size AA Batteries

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 04:42 AM

Recommended Reading (linked above from OPPO's Knowledge Base):

Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205

--Bob

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 05:06 AM

Links to some Reference posts in the UDP-205 Anticipation Thread:

Setting up for DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion, and considerations of Sub Boost:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52393105
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52428105

What to look for when buying an HDMI cable:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52423785

Analog vs Digital audio output and what to check in setting up your AVR for Analog input:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52371905
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379345

Two ways to use the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379553

How to take advantage of the new Anti-Jitter Circuit on the Audio HDMI output:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379657

Use of the USB Audio DAC Input:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52361545

Can you use the 205 as a "pre-amp"?:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52364785

There's also a ton of reference posts in the 203 Owner's Thread -- by me and others -- but since that's over 15,000 posts right now, it's not easy to extract them for you.

Another good source of info is is Bill's FAQ for the 203 -- almost all of which applies directly to the 205 as well. Definitely recommended reading! Find that here:
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203-faq.html


--Bob

kucharsk 04-22-2017 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52428913)
Links to some Reference posts in the UDP-205 Anticipation Thread:

Setting up for DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion, and considerations of Sub Boost:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52393105
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52428105

What to look for when buying an HDMI cable:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52423785

Analog vs Digital audio output and what to check in setting up your AVR for Analog input:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52371905
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379345

Two ways to use the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379553

How to take advantage of the new Anti-Jitter Circuit on the Audio HDMI output:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379657

Use of the USB Audio DAC Input:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52361545

Can you use the 205 as a "pre-amp"?:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52364785

There's also a ton of reference posts in the 203 Owner's Thread -- by me and others -- but since that's over 15,000 posts right now, it's not easy to extract them for you.

Another good source of info is is Bill's FAQ for the 203 -- almost all of which applies directly to the 205 as well. Definitely recommended reading! Find that here:
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203-faq.html


--Bob

Thanks, Bob!

smargo77 04-22-2017 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52428913)
Links to some Reference posts in the UDP-205 Anticipation Thread:

Setting up for DSD-Direct-to-Analog conversion, and considerations of Sub Boost:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52393105
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52428105

What to look for when buying an HDMI cable:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52423785

Analog vs Digital audio output and what to check in setting up your AVR for Analog input:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52371905
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379345

Two ways to use the Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379553

How to take advantage of the new Anti-Jitter Circuit on the Audio HDMI output:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52379657

Use of the USB Audio DAC Input:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52361545

Can you use the 205 as a "pre-amp"?:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-bl...l#post52364785

There's also a ton of reference posts in the 203 Owner's Thread -- by me and others -- but since that's over 15,000 posts right now, it's not easy to extract them for you.

Another good source of info is is Bill's FAQ for the 203 -- almost all of which applies directly to the 205 as well. Definitely recommended reading! Find that here:
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203-faq.html


--Bob


me too - thanks!!!

Operon 04-22-2017 12:41 PM

Is the 205's transport mechanism identical to the 203's?

Mike_WI 04-22-2017 12:51 PM

Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52428697)
Recommended Reading (linked above from OPPO's Knowledge Base):

Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205

--Bob

Thanks.
This was interesting, but didn't make me feel like a 203->205 upgrade would be worth it for HDMI alone:
Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205
https://www.oppodigital.com/Knowledg...ProdID=UDP-205

Mike

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operon (Post 52436689)
Is the 205's transport mechanism identical to the 203's?

Yes.
--Bob

Pres2play 04-22-2017 01:01 PM

How is the 205's analog outputs improved over the 203, beyond the ability to use the stereo analog DAC as left/right channels of 5.1 system?

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_WI (Post 52436889)
Thanks.
This was interesting, but didn't make me feel like a 203->205 upgrade would be worth it for HDMI alone:
Understanding the HDMI Audio Jitter Reduction Circuit in the OPPO UDP-205
https://www.oppodigital.com/Knowledg...ProdID=UDP-205

Mike

That's a reasonable assessment. Putting up the money for a 205 pretty much necessitates that you've got more than one feature of the 205 which you find attractive. Probably more than two.

I expect their will be bench test results out fairly quickly from the better reviewers which may give more insight into the real world importance of this new Anti-Jitter approach.

Of course people have been complaining about Jitter on HDMI almost from the day dot, so now we'll have a chance to see if tackling that problem truly results in improvements people can hear (assuming good equipment in the rest of the audio chain of course).

Note that folks who want to use only single HDMI cabling from the 205 will *NOT* get this Anti-Jitter advantage. It is only available on the Audio HDMI output, and that output does not carry video program content. You HAVE TO use dual HDMI cabling to take advantage of the Anti-Jitter Circuit. The reasons why are explained in that OPPO white paper: Squashing Jitter and full featured video are not compatible on the same HDMI cable, for the reasons it details.
--Bob

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pres2play (Post 52437073)
How is the 205's analog outputs improved over the 203, beyond the ability to use the stereo analog DAC as left/right channels of 5.1 system?

The entire Analog audio output stage of the 205 is different from the 203. Better power, better DACs, better components. The multi-channel Analog outs of the 205 should sound better than those on the 203 -- which is already no slouch for Analog audio output quality. The Dedicated Stereo Analog outs and the Headphones output just add to that. (The 205 also adds additional Digital audio INPUTS not found on the 203, but that's a different topic.)
--Bob

Mike_WI 04-22-2017 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52437193)
The entire Analog audio output stage of the 205 is different from the 203. Better power, better DACs, better components. The multi-channel Analog outs of the 205 should sound better than those on the 203 -- which is already no slouch for Analog audio output quality. The Dedicated Stereo Analog outs and the Headphones output just add to that. (The 205 also adds additional Digital audio INPUTS not found on the 203, but that's a different topic.)
--Bob

Thanks. I also reused my Middle Atlantic rack plate from the 103 for the 203, so would need a new one.
I know LH Labs was splitting USB signals in for the same idea.
I look forward to reading reviews.

I know many are still interested in the 103 (and older) for legacy features, so I could always swap one of those for a 205 in future. :)

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 01:16 PM

^ It's nice to have options! :D
--Bob

Pres2play 04-22-2017 01:27 PM

Glad to hear that, Bob. I know this is true of the 105/103, but wanted to know with regard to 205 vs 203.

I'm very interested in the performance of the 205 Headphone output. I was not inspired by Sennhieser HD 598 cans I purchased just for the 105 several years ago and never used it. Can't believe I will get to try it again, on a new Oppo.

Cliff Olson 04-22-2017 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pres2play (Post 52437577)
Glad to hear that, Bob. I know this is true of the 105/103, but wanted to know with regard to 205 vs 203.

I'm very interested in the performance of the 205 Headphone output. I was not inspired by Sennhieser HD 598 cans I purchased just for the 105 several years ago and never used it. Can't believe I will get to try it again, on a new Oppo.

I've been running my 205 on repeat all day today and decided to plug in my cans. I had the SACD of Holst's Planets on and it sounded great. Easily drove my HD600s to ample volume and it was very clean sounding.

variable audio 04-22-2017 03:11 PM

205 vs 203 preamp volume
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52437121)
That's a reasonable assessment. Putting up the money for a 205 pretty much necessitates that you've got more than one feature of the 205 which you find attractive. Probably more than two.
--Bob

What about off-label use as a preamp? In that case would the 205 be tangibly superior to the 203, specifically with regard to the volume control?

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by variable audio (Post 52439729)
What about off-label use as a preamp? In that case would the 205 be tangibly superior to the 203, specifically with regard to the volume control?

I'm not sure about that yet. I don't have enough info. I'm also not sure whether the 205 will be more forgiving in terms of things like impedance requirement if you connect it directly to a power amp.

This is all stuff we'll have to learn as brave souls give it a try.

Just to be clear here. The Analog outs of the 205 are designed to be connected to the inputs of a pre-amp. OPPO is not suggesting folks should use it directly connected to a power amp. But just as with the 105 and 105D I suspect some will.
--Bob

variable audio 04-22-2017 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52440129)
I'm not sure about that yet. I don't have enough info. I'm also not sure whether the 205 will be more forgiving in terms of things like impedance requirement if you connect it directly to a power amp.

This is all stuff we'll have to learn as brave souls give it a try.

Just to be clear hear. The Analog outs of the 205 are designed to be connected to the inputs of a pre-amp. OPPO is not suggesting folks should use it directly connected to a power amp. But just as with the 105 and 105D I suspect some will.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. I've been using the 93 as a preamp for years. I'm beginning to appreciate how fortunate I was that it worked.

Pres2play 04-22-2017 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Olson (Post 52439609)
I've been running my 205 on repeat all day today and decided to plug in my cans. I had the SACD of Holst's Planets on and it sounded great. Easily drove my HD600s to ample volume and it was very clean sounding.

That's great. Looking forward to some late night listening and movie watching without waking the family.

Pres2play 04-22-2017 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52440129)
Just to be clear hear. The Analog outs of the 205 are designed to be connected to the inputs of a pre-amp. OPPO is not suggesting folks should use it directly connected to a power amp. But just as with the 105 and 105D I suspect some will.
--Bob

Ah...to re-digitize. No like.

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 04:50 PM

^ Simply make sure your AVR is set to Analog "pass through", so it doesn't re-digitize.
--Bob

Pres2play 04-22-2017 05:10 PM

Interesting. What features do "pass through" allow in the AVR? I understand I'm still using the DAC in the player.

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pres2play (Post 52441809)
Interesting. What features do "pass through" allow in the AVR? I understand I'm still using the DAC in the player.

See the two Reference links I posted at the top of this thread to posts I made in the 205 Anticipation thread regarding Analog vs Digital audio output and how to set up your AVR for Analog input.
--Bob

Wolfy701 04-22-2017 05:54 PM

I'll probably not upgrade from 105D until it can play ISO files.
And I rarely use the headphone jack on the 105D, mainly use it as DAC/pre-amp for my Pathos Aurium, which sounds Amazing.

Pres2play 04-22-2017 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau (Post 52441489)
^ Simply make sure your AVR is set to Analog "pass through", so it doesn't re-digitize.
--Bob

Sorry, Bob. Should have made it clear I'm not using an AVR with my 105. Don't need one as the Oppo is my only source and works fine with my power amps.

Bob Pariseau 04-22-2017 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pres2play (Post 52442721)
Sorry, Bob. Should have made it clear I'm not using an AVR with my 105. Don't need one as the Oppo is my only source and works fine with my power amps.

Then what was your comment about re-digitizing referring to? MY point was that going through a pre-amp, preamp-processor, or AVR does not mean you have to re-digitize the Analog output of the OPPO so long as you are careful in the setup.
--Bob

Pres2play 04-22-2017 07:53 PM

You said the Analog outs are designed to be connected to a pre-amp. If I used that to make my decision, I would not buy the 205; the 203 would do fine.

Edit: that's just me. I'm sure others are ok using an AVR and re-digitizing, or not...

They appear to allow for stand-alone operation as a pre-amp.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1492936946

alebonau 04-23-2017 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cliff Olson (Post 52439609)
I've been running my 205 on repeat all day today and decided to plug in my cans. I had the SACD of Holst's Planets on and it sounded great. Easily drove my HD600s to ample volume and it was very clean sounding.

you got yours already ? great stuff ! do we get treated to some pics ? I'm yet to see one of these in the wild. only see the CGI pics :)

plan to use for uhd as well ? or just as 2ch source sacd and the like ? good to hear enjoying the hd600s off the headphone amp. the hd600 is my favourite sennheisers :)

nukequazar 04-23-2017 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pres2play (Post 52444753)
You said the Analog outs are designed to be connected to a pre-amp. If I used that to make my decision, I would not buy the 205; the 203 would do fine.



Edit: that's just me. I'm sure others are ok using an AVR and re-digitizing, or not...



They appear to allow for stand-alone operation as a pre-amp.



https://www.avsforum.com/forum/attach...1&d=1492936946



That's a good find. But also there are worthy preamps, integrated stereo amps, and even A/V pre/pros with analog pathways that sound good enough to justify a high end source.


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Cliff Olson 04-23-2017 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alebonau (Post 52447113)
you got yours already ? great stuff ! do we get treated to some pics ? I'm yet to see one of these in the wild. only see the CGI pics :)

plan to use for uhd as well ? or just as 2ch source sacd and the like ? good to hear enjoying the hd600s off the headphone amp. the hd600 is my favourite sennheisers :)

I actually listen to SACDs in 5.1 through my speakers... Yes (on watching UHD), in fact that's the only reason I upgraded to the 205 as I was happy with my 105D. I've got the 205 snugged up in my rack but I can take a few of the front. One thing I'm very happy about is the buttons for play/stop/ff/rwd, etc. They're actually buttons again! I have very poor vision due to an eye disease, so it's nice to have buttons you can 'feel' again :D

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