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^ Since the new Monprice cables worked well for a while, you may have a case of “new cable syndrome” — plugs shifting slightly in the sockets due to bends or kinks in the just unwrapped cables. Try unplugging and re-plugging both ends of the new cables to reseat the plugs. Make sure nothing is tugging on those plugs in any direction.

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I bought it on blind faith because it was good enough for a respected member of this forum. If it was good enough for that person, it was surely good enough for me. I've had no issues with my player and use it regularly. Also, I'm all for exchange policies——they give us the freedom to try things we think we want and can easily be swapped for something else. Most policies are good for a couple of weeks, which, in my opinion, is plenty of time to decide if it's right for me.
I bought a new Samsung 7000 series TV at the same time i bought the UBD-M9500 and in that context it feels really slow.
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I haven't owned any other UHD player to make an educated comparison. When I chose the M9500 it was also based on what I'd read from the other owners in this thread. When it comes to high-end UHD players of this calibre I believe it really boils down to personal preference. I'm already invested in the interoperability of the Samsung ecosystem.

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Wife asked what I wanted for Father's Day, and since the Samsung TVs don't do DV, I was given a good price on the Player, and UHD Movie Package, plus wife paying for it, went with it! Will it ever see HDR 10+, will the KS9800 even do HDR 10+ if it did happen ?

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Wife asked what I wanted for Father's Day, and since the Samsung TVs don't do DV, I was given a good price on the Player, and UHD Movie Package, plus wife paying for it, went with it! Will it ever see HDR 10+, will the KS9800 even do HDR 10+ if it did happen ?

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He's wondering when/if Samsung will announce that the M9500 is officially capable of delivering HDR10+ (dynamic metadata) over HDMI.
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Wife asked what I wanted for Father's Day, and since the Samsung TVs don't do DV, I was given a good price on the Player, and UHD Movie Package, plus wife paying for it, went with it! Will it ever see HDR 10+, will the KS9800 even do HDR 10+ if it did happen ?
To my knowledge, the 2016 KS series televisions are limited to streaming HDR10. There was hope they might see streaming HDR10+ support, but the general consensus is that Samsung is unable to deliver on their (2017) announcements after all.

There is still hope for the M9500, and keep in mind that there isn't much (if any at all) HDR10+ content available yet.
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Therefore why the ? after the HDR 10+. Samsung has let this sit on the back burner so long, others have come forward, and are gaining traction
Will probably be another Samsung Ghost product. You kind of can see it, but not really. (Or, in other words - vapourware)

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^ Since the new Monprice cables worked well for a while, you may have a case of “new cable syndrome” — plugs shifting slightly in the sockets due to bends or kinks in the just unwrapped cables. Try unplugging and re-plugging both ends of the new cables to reseat the plugs. Make sure nothing is tugging on those plugs in any direction.

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Well, I may have found the culprit. "May" and I am still not ruling out your "new cable syndrome".

So what I was noticing, after my BlueRay was plugged in was problems with my DirecTV. Remember, both blue ray and DTV are plugged in with my AVR and output to one source on my TV. When I went to my TV, my inputs were telling me there was an extra source. So, HDMI 1, 2, 3 etc... my AVR and my Samsung. My AVR and Samsung are one source, but my TV was telling me two sources. I thought that was strange. So during an hour workout, I put my P90X DVD in but plugged my blue ray straight to my TV via the HDMI. Had absolutely no issues with the black screen. None for over an hour. Noticed that my TV input now only recognized the one source, the BlueRay (Obviously the AVR was disconnected so that made sense). My brain went back to the receiver as the culprit, though. Wasn't thinking about the source issue.

Fast-forward, to the Iowa Hawkeye football game. I have all cables back to normal, blueray and DTV plugged into receiver, receiver output to TV. I am watching DirectV and about every 10 minutes or so my TV goes black. Getting really angry, cause the game is on, I turn things off and on to get the game back. It happens again and again. I remember the input situation on my TV. I check, the TV again says there are two inputs for one source, AVR and Samsung and it has Samsung highlighted even though my blueray is off and my DTV is on. Frustrated, I unplugged the HDMI to my blueray and it fixes the problem. Obviously my source on TV now says AVR.

Fast forward. Game over, I unplug everything, just mad as heck. Leave all units unplugged overnight. Wake up in the morning, plug everything back in and turn on just TV and DirectTV and AVR. TV still shows two sources for one input, Samsung Blurray and AVR, even though blueray is off. Okay, so now I think there is something in the BlueRay that is causing a huge battle between my BlueRay, my Receiver and my TV. Like there is a stupid war over who is in charge.

Go to Samsung blueray menu and find this External Device Manager. In it there is an option for Anynet + (HDMI-CEC). This sounds evil, like a little demon in my system, so I turn it off. I go back to my TV and now it finally shows only one input, my AVR. It no longer show the Samsung BlueRay and the AVR for one connection.

I turn on my DirecTV and watch it with no blackouts. Everything is back to normal. So then I think, hmmm. So I put on Avengers (my test disc) on the blueray player, switch my AVR to blueray and watch for 45 minutes straight through without an issue. (My tv says AVR as the input now, not Samsung, so good)

So.... I haven't proved anything yet for sure. Need to actually sit down and watch more, but I am thinking that maybe its this stupid Anynet + (HDMI-CEC) that could possibly be the culprit. Like it was causing WWW3 on my systems.

Does anybody know what this Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) does?

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Well, I may have found the culprit. "May" and I am still not ruling out your "new cable syndrome".

So what I was noticing, after my BlueRay was plugged in was problems with my DirecTV. Remember, both blue ray and DTV are plugged in with my AVR and output to one source on my TV. When I went to my TV, my inputs were telling me there was an extra source. So, HDMI 1, 2, 3 etc... my AVR and my Samsung. My AVR and Samsung are one source, but my TV was telling me two sources. I thought that was strange. So during an hour workout, I put my P90X DVD in but plugged my blue ray straight to my TV via the HDMI. Had absolutely no issues with the black screen. None for over an hour. Noticed that my TV input now only recognized the one source, the BlueRay (Obviously the AVR was disconnected so that made sense). My brain went back to the receiver as the culprit, though. Wasn't thinking about the source issue.

Fast-forward, to the Iowa Hawkeye football game. I have all cables back to normal, blueray and DTV plugged into receiver, receiver output to TV. I am watching DirectV and about every 10 minutes or so my TV goes black. Getting really angry, cause the game is on, I turn things off and on to get the game back. It happens again and again. I remember the input situation on my TV. I check, the TV again says there are two inputs for one source, AVR and Samsung and it has Samsung highlighted even though my blueray is off and my DTV is on. Frustrated, I unplugged the HDMI to my blueray and it fixes the problem. Obviously my source on TV now says AVR.

Fast forward. Game over, I unplug everything, just mad as heck. Leave all units unplugged overnight. Wake up in the morning, plug everything back in and turn on just TV and DirectTV and AVR. TV still shows two sources for one input, Samsung Blurray and AVR, even though blueray is off. Okay, so now I think there is something in the BlueRay that is causing a huge battle between my BlueRay, my Receiver and my TV. Like there is a stupid war over who is in charge.

Go to Samsung blueray menu and find this External Device Manager. In it there is an option for Anynet + (HDMI-CEC). This sounds evil, like a little demon in my system, so I turn it off. I go back to my TV and now it finally shows only one input, my AVR. It no longer show the Samsung BlueRay and the AVR for one connection.

I turn on my DirecTV and watch it with no blackouts. Everything is back to normal. So then I think, hmmm. So I put on Avengers (my test disc) on the blueray player, switch my AVR to blueray and watch for 45 minutes straight through without an issue. (My tv says AVR as the input now, not Samsung, so good)

So.... I haven't proved anything yet for sure. Need to actually sit down and watch more, but I am thinking that maybe its this stupid Anynet + (HDMI-CEC) that could possibly be the culprit. Like it was causing WWW3 on my systems.

Does anybody know what this Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) does?
Becoming pretty confident the source of the problem was Samsung's Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC). After two weeks of trying everything, turning this off has resulted in over 2 hours of playing blue ray's without an issue. Two different discs and no issues thus far.
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Which HDMI is the TV saying the Samsung is on ?
You didn't do the dual lead outs on the Samsung: One for audio to the AVR, and Video to the TV ?

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Becoming pretty confident the source of the problem was Samsung's Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC). After two weeks of trying everything, turning this off has resulted in over 2 hours of playing blue ray's without an issue. Two different discs and no issues thus far.
HDMI CEC is remote control over the HDMI cables: Sensing when devices come and go, turning them on or off, and changing inputs automatically for example. It is also required when using HDMI ARC — audio sent back from the TV on the HDMI cable normally used to feed video TO the TV.

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By the way, 'Deep Colour' has no effect on UHD movies. You should only see a difference in SDR.
I have to make a correction: The information I learned was that 'Deep Colour' was developed for HD Blu-ray discs. 'Deep Colour' has no effect on UHD (HDR/SDR) content. I felt the need to clarify my findings so that they are not misleading for future owners who discover this thread.
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Ive been messing around with deep color again to try and help with some banding, ( which didn't help really) but I was told that turning on "deep color" does actually affect uhd because on the player it will send the picture in 12 bit instead of 10. I can't verify this because my avr won't display the bit depth. If someone could verify this, would be great.
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That's a good question. To my knowledge (information available on the web), UHD content is mastered in 10-bit colour. I believe the M9500 negotiates the best possible picture quality with your display so I'm not sure if anything can be forced.

My current (Samsung) displays only support 10-bit colour. Does anyone own a different brand of television that offers a greater bit depth?
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I don't believe there are any 12 bit panels on market. I also have samsung display that's 10 bit (ks8000). people like to force 12 bit on their players to help with banding on some content. I know on the older samsung uhd player if you selected deep color it would force the picture to 12 bit. I just haven't been able to confirm myself either if the newer models are set up the same. I know with sonys you want deep color on in their players. So kinda lost of the matter myself untill someone with a capable avr can check. Almost kind of wish this setting never existed lol.
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I see no noticeable difference in colour banding with the setting in Auto or Off. My reference is the opening for Planet Earth II (HDR). There has to be room to force 12-bit colour within the 18 Gbps, so I believe it would have to be 4:4:4 @ 30 FPS, unless Samsung has unlocked some extra bandwidth for this purpose. I can't comment any further because there are too many "what if's" that they control and we don't know.

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That is only if you have a Samsung TV also, correct?

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Good question! I don't know although it would seem logical. Anyone?
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Good question! I don't know although it would seem logical. Anyone?
I have a 2016 ks8000 samsung, does not change or optimize my settings, I believe it's for 2017 and on Samsungs.
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Have you tried (with any success) to use the HDMI 2 (audio only) port out on the M9500 to your soundbar? I tried to configure it as M9500 HDMI 1 -> TV and HDMI 2 -> soundbar. I get video, but no audio. The M9500 freezes/pauses as soon as I select the audio port on the soundbar. I'm back to M9500 -> soundbar for audio/video pass-through with no trouble.

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Have you tried (with any success) to use the HDMI 2 (audio only) port out on the M9500 to your soundbar? I tried to configure it as M9500 HDMI 1 -> TV and HDMI 2 -> soundbar. I get video, but no audio. The M9500 freezes/pauses as soon as I select the audio port on the soundbar. I'm back to M9500 -> soundbar for audio/video pass-through with no trouble.

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No I haven't tried that, I never saw a reason to. If I could go back, knowing now that the only real difference is HDMI ports, I'd just get the m8500.

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Hmmm... I wanted to take advantage of the Q9FN recognizing the M9500 and auto-configuring the display settings to match the content. When it's connected by pass-through on the soundbar the display doesn't recognize that it's part of the Samsung ecosystem.

I used to have it connected that way with my previous soundbar, so I know it works. I guess that rules out the BD player now that I think of it.

Okay, thanks for your thoughts.
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First HDR 10+ releases (December releases)

Posted by @ray0414 in the Q9FN Owner's Thread



Key selling points:

• IMAX ENHANCED for the complete 4K ULTRA HD EXPERIENCE with HDR10+ and DTS:X
• A New Level of Quality in Home Entertainment
o 2160p Ultra High Definition HDR10+
o DTS:X English and Spanish Language; DTS-HD MA 5.1 French
o Subtitles – English SDH, Spanish & French


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https://www.millcreekent.com/media/s...ets//63367.pdf | https://www.millcreekent.com/media/s...ets//63368.pdf
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Key selling points:

• IMAX ENHANCED for the complete 4K ULTRA HD EXPERIENCE with HDR10+ and DTS:X
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Obviously, this player will need an HDR 10+ FW update to enjoy. (Plus TV set FW update as well.)

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Obviously, this player will need an HDR 10+ FW update to enjoy. (Plus TV set FW update as well.)
Yeah, any word on if that's actually going to happen? I have the M9500 and the 2018 Q8F. HDMI directly to the TV. I am really jonesing for some HDR10+.

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@Rudy1 , don't I remember reading that the HDR10+ update was supposedly rolled out on these players back in July or August?

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Though I'm no longer in touch with the people at Samsung, it is my understanding that the 2017 players will indeed get a firmware update sometime this year to support HDR10+. Trade publications reported a few weeks ago that Panasonic has already rolled out firmware for their current TVs to enable such support, and Samsung should be doing so soon for their 2018 lineup if they haven't already.
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Though I'm no longer in touch with the people at Samsung, it is my understanding that the 2017 players will indeed get a firmware update sometime this year to support HDR10+. Trade publications reported a few weeks ago that Panasonic has already rolled out firmware for their current TVs to enable such support, and Samsung should be doing so soon for their 2018 lineup if they haven't already.
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I didn’t know you weren’t talking to the Samsung peeps anymore, that’s too bad
I was told that the Samsung PR group was unhappy with my posts on the AVSF, and told my contacts not to have any further interaction with me. Sony pulled a similar stunt years ago with the original PS3 crew.

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