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I got the UB200, please don't get me wrong this is my first 4K player, I have heard many accolades about the big bro 900.

I got this for my 4K JVC X790 PJ, I am bit unimpressed by the upscaling to an extent because I was expecting it to be much better.

I have a very limited disc collection and I had hoped normal blurays will be upscaled to 4k but I am not seeing the wow effect.

I will be getting some UHD discs this weekend to continue my testing...



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I will be getting some UHD discs this weekend to continue my testing...
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I got the UB200, please don't get me wrong this is my first 4K player, I have heard many accolades about the big bro 900.

I got this for my 4K JVC X790 PJ, I am bit unimpressed by the upscaling to an extent because I was expecting it to be much better.

I have a very limited disc collection and I had hoped normal blurays will be upscaled to 4k but I am not seeing the wow effect.

I will be getting some UHD discs this weekend to continue my testing...



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I wouldn't be too surprised that the UB200 upscaling didn't make a great impression, your pj X790 with it's new eshift5 would probably be pretty to hard to significantly better without something like a Lumagen VP. Perhaps if you had a lesser projector you would appreciate such an improvement but the top tier JVCs are providing the some of the best video any projector can do in its class.
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I'm not sure if that's a right topic to ask but still..

I want to change my OPPO-203 to a Panny to have a proper working Netflix app. I'm lost in Panny models of UHD BD players

I've checked US, Canada, UK and German Panny websites, the models I found are:

900
700\704
400\404
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300
200

Do they share same picture quality and upscale functionality? I can buy 404 locally for a really sweet price, 2.5 times less than ordering a 900 would be. If I'm going to use it for UHD BDs and Netflix only will it be enough? Or 900 is superior in terms of picture or sound quality?

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I wouldn't be too surprised that the UB200 upscaling didn't make a great impression, your pj X790 with it's new eshift5 would probably be pretty to hard to significantly better without something like a Lumagen VP. Perhaps if you had a lesser projector you would appreciate such an improvement but the top tier JVCs are providing the some of the best video any projector can do in its class.
I really wish that was true, I have this last week to return the UB200, wish someone can do a A/B testing and tell me, "keep it"

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I really wish that was true, I have this last week to return the UB200, wish someone can do a A/B testing and tell me, "keep it"

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Are you unimpressed with the ub200 upscaling of 1080p bluray to projector vs sending 1080p to the x790 and letting it do the upscaling?
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Are you unimpressed with the ub200 upscaling of 1080p bluray to projector vs sending 1080p to the x790 and letting it do the upscaling?
I am using the UB200 for scaling.

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I got the UB200, please don't get me wrong this is my first 4K player, I have heard many accolades about the big bro 900.

I got this for my 4K JVC X790 PJ, I am bit unimpressed by the upscaling to an extent because I was expecting it to be much better.

I have a very limited disc collection and I had hoped normal blurays will be upscaled to 4k but I am not seeing the wow effect.

I will be getting some UHD discs this weekend to continue my testing...



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Have you tried setting the UB200 to output standard 1080p, and letting the JVC X790 upscale? I understand that, in theory, the player should be better at upscaling than the projector, but at the end of the day isn't it still about the quality of the image on screen? How we get there doesn't seem as important to me as the image on the screen.

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I got the UB200, please don't get me wrong this is my first 4K player, I have heard many accolades about the big bro 900.

I got this for my 4K JVC X790 PJ, I am bit unimpressed by the upscaling to an extent because I was expecting it to be much better.

I have a very limited disc collection and I had hoped normal blurays will be upscaled to 4k but I am not seeing the wow effect.

I will be getting some UHD discs this weekend to continue my testing...



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Upscaled 1080p to 4K hasn't been reported by many, if any, has giving a 'wow' effect, on any devices. I think well produced 1080p blurays on a mid to higher end display are looking about as good as it gets and when upscaled to 4K, well there's only but so much juice you can get out of a beet.


Now, with a UHD bluray mastered in 4K with your projector will definitely give you the 'wow' effect, provided appropriate screen size, proper calibration and light controlled room. Heck , if you look at many UHD reviews, how many report it doesn't even look as good as the 2K bluray version! I think that UHD is still very a much a work in progress for projectors even for the very high end ones.


I don't read much on the flat panel threads but I wonder even with the high end qleds/oleds how much better can a well made 1080p bluray look when upscaled to the native 4K panel.
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Upscaled 1080p to 4K hasn't been reported by many, if any, has giving a 'wow' effect, on any devices.
Except for @Javs , for example. Who has shown that MadVR upscaling can produce an image on a 4K e-shift PJ almost identical to a 4K UHD disc, that was sourced from a 2K DI.

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I think well produced 1080p blurays on a mid to higher end display are looking about as good as it gets and when upscaled to 4K, well there's only but so much juice you can get out of a beet.
It was also indicated that the video processor in the Panny UB900 did upscaling that came close to MadVR. That doesn't mean that the UB200 will, though it is supposed to have almost the same processor... lacking just one chroma-edge scaling item on it's feature list.

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...how much better can a well made 1080p bluray look when upscaled to the native 4K panel.
Quite a bit, apparently, with the proper scaling engine.
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Except for @Javs, for example. Who has shown that MadVR upscaling can produce an image on a 4K e-shift PJ almost identical to a 4K UHD disc, that was sourced from a 2K DI.



It was also indicated that the video processor in the Panny UB900 did upscaling that came close to MadVR. That doesn't mean that the UB200 will, though it is supposed to have almost the same processor... lacking just one chroma-edge scaling item on it's feature list.



Quite a bit, apparently, with the proper scaling engine.

MadVR seems to be geared more to hobbyists who find enjoyment in taking the time to make adjustments to get that extra mile of video quality. But I think for many home theater afficionados that may more time and effort they are willing to put in to get their evening's entertainment. And you have to admit, Javs is more of an elite videophile, not the typical home theater buff.
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...you have to admit, Javs is more of an elite videophile,
Yeah, I suppose. At least a little.

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Yeah, I suppose. At least a little.



This is the AVS Forum. How many here do you really think are typical HT buffs?



Anyone smitten enough to seek out and spend anytime on this forum classifies us all as HT buffs. Now, typical, well, I guess we cover the range from those interested in just trying to better understand on how to use the display's contrast/brightness etc. to those who are at the bleeding edge of video calibration with all requisite knowledge, tools and passion. I just love reading the back and forth posts by the very knowledgeable members here, most of it way over my head, but at least allows me to ask educated questions to my calibrator
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Have you tried setting the UB200 to output standard 1080p, and letting the JVC X790 upscale? I understand that, in theory, the player should be better at upscaling than the projector, but at the end of the day isn't it still about the quality of the image on screen? How we get there doesn't seem as important to me as the image on the screen.
I think, after several rounds of analyzing the picture, I think lot of it has to depend on the source material. Not every bluray is same, similarly not every 4K is same.

I also tweaked some convergence settings of the lens, checked out some screen samples since I felt partly my current screen was spoiling the pixel geometry.

I have to say I am enjoying my UB200 and there is no need for me to spend another $200 for UB900.

I think next item for upgrade is my screen..


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I think, after several rounds of analyzing the picture, I think lot of it has to depend on the source material. Not every bluray is same, similarly not every 4K is same.

I also tweaked some convergence settings of the lens, checked out some screen samples since I felt partly my current screen was spoiling the pixel geometry.

I have to say I am enjoying my UB200 and there is no need for me to spend another $200 for UB900.

I think next item for upgrade is my screen..


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You are soooo right. "Not every bluray is same..." I've got some blu-rays that make me wonder who was at the controls when they transferred the film to disc. Glad to read that the UB200 is working well for you. I think I'll place an order.
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joy192k, how do you like this with the JVC projector?
Am thinking about purchasing one and doing some demoing. I have the
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I haven't spent much time, the two good things I bought this for are dynamic range setting to improve brightness and sending SDR instead of HDR ( haven't tested this, will surely do that.)

Between this and Oppo I chose this one because I didn't want to spend double on Oppo plus some 4K streaming device.


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I haven't spent much time, the two good things I bought this for are dynamic range setting to improve brightness and sending SDR instead of HDR ( haven't tested this, will surely do that.)

Between this and Oppo I chose this one because I didn't want to spend double on Oppo plus some 4K streaming device.


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Thanks joy192k! Let me know when you do some testing and see what you like about it with the JVC. I am on the fence with the Panny UB200/900 right now. Still wondering about the $300 price difference between the 2, and them working with the RS420.
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Thanks joy192k! Let me know when you do some testing and see what you like about it with the JVC. I am on the fence with the Panny UB200/900 right now. Still wondering about the $300 price difference between the 2, and them working with the RS420.
Sorry, Only somebody who has tried both will be able to tell you if it is worth the additional $200.

Frankly lot of things matter, source, light control, the screen and ofcourse the calibration as well.

I felt the PQ from my panny was good enough for me, may be $200 be better, but how much is the question?

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Thanks again joy192k. I will do some more research and see what I really need.
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I don't have a UB200, but I have the UB400. FWIW, while I won't comment on Blu-ray to 4K upscaling, I can tell you that DVD to 1080p upscaling is very good.
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I don't have a UB200, but I have the UB400. FWIW, while I won't comment on Blu-ray to 4K upscaling,........
Would you at least comment on why you won't comment on 2k to 4k upscaling?
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It's on a 1080p projector.
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Does anyone know if it will play sacd and dvd audio?
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Except for @Javs , for example. Who has shown that MadVR upscaling can produce an image on a 4K e-shift PJ almost identical to a 4K UHD disc, that was sourced from a 2K DI.

It was also indicated that the video processor in the Panny UB900 did upscaling that came close to MadVR. That doesn't mean that the UB200 will, though it is supposed to have almost the same processor... lacking just one chroma-edge scaling item on it's feature list.

Quite a bit, apparently, with the proper scaling engine.
Hi, I am about to buy either the ub200 or ub900. Been researching as much as I can on the internet to figure it out if the final picture quality (specially when upscaling) is the same with these units. According to panasonic features on their site, they share the same upscaling. Their chat employees don´t seem to know squat. I also have asked users, dealers and no one can be certain about it. And your comment of the scaling item missing (different processor) is bugging me, but can´t find this info anywhere. Can you kindly show me where it says so? And share what other info you seem appropiate.

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Hi, I am about to buy either the ub200 or ub900. Been researching as much as I can on the internet to figure it out if the final picture quality (specially when upscaling) is the same with these units.
Definitely a non-trivial undertaking.

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Not really. If you look at the Specs section on Panasonic's website, for the UB200 it says:

-- 4K High Precision Chroma Processor -- N/A
-- HCX Processor for UHD Blu-ray -- Yes
-- 4K Direct Chroma upscaling -- Yes
-- Ultra HD Premium -- N/A (the 900 says nothing about this)


But if you look in the section where it describes the Features, surprise, surprise, it describes a "4K High Precision Chroma Processor". Maybe if you pressed Panasonic for an answer on that, and were able to find anyone who actually knew (good luck with that), their response would be "oops". Right below that, they tout their HCX processor. Seems doubtful it has both. The 900 does NOT have the HCX processor, so one might assume HCX on the 200 was a reduced version of the HPC processor on the 900.


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Well, many manufs. allow you to tag different models, then do a Compare. That way the differences can be easily seen. Not Panasonic, sadly.

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You may be asking the wrong guy. I don't have either a UB200, or a UB900. Lots of other folks here do, though. I just commented on something I had read (likely in a review), where it was said that the video processor on the 900 had one small edge-enhancement feature that the 200 lacked. Your best bet is to track down reviews of those models, and look for things they found while they did their testing. Sadly, I don't have time to go back and re-do that research ATM. But IMO, Panasonic has done a horrible job in documenting these players. (But an excellent job in engineering them.)
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1) what outlets can you purchase a 200 at? It seems like very few?


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Hi, I am about to buy either the ub200 or ub900. Been researching as much as I can on the internet to figure it out if the final picture quality (specially when upscaling) is the same with these units. According to panasonic features on their site, they share the same upscaling. Their chat employees don´t seem to know squat. I also have asked users, dealers and no one can be certain about it. And your comment of the scaling item missing (different processor) is bugging me, but can´t find this info anywhere. Can you kindly show me where it says so? And share what other info you seem appropiate.

Thanks and FYI I am pairing this with a jvc 540









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Tech #CuttingEdge Jan 3, 2017 @ 11:31 PM




For starters, remarkably both decks still boast exactly the same picture quality engine sported by the UB700 - which itself only varied from the imaging system offered by the flagship UB900 in not sporting Panasonic’s Edge Adaptive Chroma Processing system (for delivering a touch more natural refinement to the edges of objects).
This means both budget models still get Panasonic’s 4K High Precision Chroma Processor for advanced color performance; Panasonic’s 4K Direct Chroma Upscaling for converting all images from 10-bit to 12-bit for reduced color banding noise, and Panasonic’s proprietary Dynamic Range Conversion system for more intelligently down-converting HDR to SDR


Based on this report from Forbes, the lower Panasonic models only lack the Edge Adaptive Chroma Processing in the video chain.


A poster earlier noted he had both the 900 and the 200 and felt the video quality was the same. I suspect that the additional video processing may only be appreciated on higher end panels and projectors and even with that may only be noticed if in a A/B real time viewing and perhaps in near ideal viewing environments. If there are other audio or playback items or the need for a second hdmi that are of interest then the price delta between the 2 takes on further consideration, but from a video perspective, it seems, at least without a professional comparative review, that the 2 would be almost equal with the UB200 being the better value.
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