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I thought about that. The 420 could potentially undercut the 203 price wise and now there’s no reason to.
No could, it does pricewise!

But then again the Panasonic DP-UB420 offers nothing like the OPPO UDP-203's feature-set. Only the Panasonic DP-UB820 and their flagship DP-UB9000 comes anything like close!

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Panasonic UHD Blu-ray Players at CES 2018

I posted the below information in the Blu-ray.com thread for the Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 players, and there were some follow up posts, and also (apparent) confirmation that the Panasonic UHD players won’t pass high resolution audio when files are played via USB or over the network. This is unfortunate, but if that is that important to you, this capability is in the OPPO UDP-203.

HDTVTest (Vincent Teoh) has shown that the earlier generation Panasonic HCX processor in the Panasonic DMP-UB900 beats the OPPO UDP-203 in video quality, so the generation 3 HCX processor in the DP-UB820 should beat the UDP-203 as well.


The other feature it was hoped Panasonic would improve upon in the newer generation of HCX processor was the dynamic tone mapping. However, there is some speculation that the capability has not been improved, but this needs to be confirmed by reviewers. Oppo’s dynamic tone mapping solution is apparently not that good either.

I hope this helps, and if anything is wrong, please chime in.


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The 820 manual shows the available audio formats:

https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/bd/...N_TQBS0213.pdf

Thanks for the link to the manual.

I am very curious about the Panasonic DP-UB820 capabilities concerning playback of 4KUHD backups, and looked through the manual accordingly.

For others interested in playing 4K from a USB flash drive or a FAT32/NTFS formatted HDD in a USB 3.0 enclosure), it looks like 4KUHD backups can be played back via the USB 3.0 port on the rear of the player, as it is stated on page 7: "For playback of 4K videos...".

Playback via the network appears to be more restrictive, and may not support the lossless audio formats (see page 44). Below are the specific pages from the manual where I found information; I typed in some of the information, since the PDF is secured. If interested please look to see if I am interpreting this correctly.

I am trying to decide between this player and the OPPO UDP-203 (I have one, unopened), and the decision is based upon a multitude of factors, not just picture quality.

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It supports USB devices, and will play the following file types: AVCHD, AVCHD 3D, MKV, MP4, MPEG2, JPEG, MPO, AAC, AIFF, ALAC, DSD (DFF, DSF), FLAC, MP3, WAV, WMA

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USB device: For playback of 4K videos stored on a USB device, use USB 3.0 port on rear of the unit and USB device conforming to USB 3.0.

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Network playback instructions.

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Network Drive Connection: This unit can access a hard disk shared folder on a network and play back videos, still pictures, and music.

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Specifications, File Format: For MKV, it is stated: Resolution up to 3840 x 2160 25p/30p, 4096 x 2160 24p. The video file and subtitles text are inside the same folder, and the file names are the same except for the file extensions. Some MKV files may not be played back correctly, depending on the video resolution, frame rate condition, subtitle format and so on.

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Supported format for Network Contents Playback:

Container: MKV
Video codec: H.264 HEVC
Audio codec: AAC, PCM, Vorbis, FLAC

Container: AVCHD
Video codec: H.264
Audio codec: Dolby Digital


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No could, it does pricewise!



But then again the Panasonic DP-UB420 offers nothing like the OPPO UDP-203's feature-set. Only the Panasonic DP-UB820 and their flagship DP-UB9000 comes anything like close!


Right- but those added features I don’t want/need so I’d rather not pay for them. If the 820 is Oppo price then maybe I should just get the Oppo.

The 420 was the sweet spot of all the features I do want without paying for stuff I’ll never use. Now- I’ll either get the cheapest of the new pannys and stick to the custom gamma curves I’ve installed on my JVC projector or go back to Sony.


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Playback via the network appears to be more restrictive, and may not support the lossless audio formats (see page 44). Below are the specific pages from the manual where I found information; I typed in some of the information, since the PDF is secured. If interested please look to see if I am interpreting this correctly.

I am trying to decide between this player and the OPPO UDP-203 (I have one, unopened), and the decision is based upon a multitude of factors, not just picture quality.

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Supported format for Network Contents Playback:

Container: MKV
Video codec: H.264 HEVC
Audio codec: AAC, PCM, Vorbis, FLAC

Container: AVCHD
Video codec: H.264
Audio codec: Dolby Digital

That's a bit of a bummer if they haven't improved the network playback to include lossless audio tracks. I have the UB900 and the Oppo 203, this makes the 820 a little less interesting.

The Oppo does a very good job with network media playback, UHD HDR + ATMOS, etc.



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Right- but those added features I don’t want/need so I’d rather not pay for them. If the 820 is Oppo price then maybe I should just get the Oppo.
Here in the UK, the Panasonic DP-UB820EB will retail at a lot less than the OPPO UDP-203: https://panasonicdirect.store.panaso...yer.aspx?psn=8

That being said, I can't imagine that its multi-channel analogue output stage will be anything like as elegant as the OPPO UDP-203's. And it's networking A/V format support features certainly wont be...
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Right- but those added features I don’t want/need so I’d rather not pay for them. If the 820 is Oppo price then maybe I should just get the Oppo.

The 420 was the sweet spot of all the features I do want without paying for stuff I’ll never use. Now- I’ll either get the cheapest of the new pannys and stick to the custom gamma curves I’ve installed on my JVC projector or go back to Sony.


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As noted in my post above, Value Electronics has set the shipped price for the 820 at less than the OPPO. They are taking pre-orders, but it won’t ship until about July.


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As noted in my post above, Value Electronics has set the shipped price for the 820 at less than the OPPO. They are taking pre-orders, but it won’t ship until about July.


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WIll the Panasonic DP-UB820EB be better image quality wise and sound quality wise as the ubd900 that Panasonic sold in 2016/2017 is the ubd900 worth upgrading to the ub820
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WIll the Panasonic DP-UB820EB be better image quality wise and sound quality wise as the ubd900 that Panasonic sold in 2016/2017 is the ubd900 worth upgrading to the ub820
We have to wait to see how good the tone mapping on the 420/820 looks.

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We have to wait to see how good the tone mapping on the 420/820 looks.
Agreed the 900 is still one heck of a machine.. Not worth upgrading unless you have a Dolby vision tv because hdr10+ will take awhile till we see some ultra disc with hdr10+
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They need to be working on next year's model with HDMI 2.1.

And more incremental improvements to the scaling and tone mapping.

Maybe more integration of the silicon to reduce costs.
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Agreed the 900 is still one heck of a machine.. Not worth upgrading unless you have a Dolby vision tv because hdr10+ will take awhile till we see some ultra disc with hdr10+
The new HCX processor is just one of the reason to upgrade and I'm sure Panny going to improve upon their already great tone mapping. This will be a day one buy for me because i had the UB900, it was a great player.

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A review of the DP-UB820
They've just started to appear in some UK retail outlets...

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I guarantee the decision to pull the lower end units was based on Oppo’s exit from the market, no reason to undercut their pricing anymore. It’s like Apple does pricing their iPhones, $200 more for a memory chip that costs them less than $5. The 820 probably only costs a few bucks more to make and they sell it for hundreds more.

I wonder how much it will be to get a Canadian 420 and ship it over...


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I wonder how much it will be to get a Canadian 420 and ship it over...

With the current exchange rate it should be fairly reasonable.




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I guarantee the decision to pull the lower end units was based on Oppo’s exit from the market, no reason to undercut their pricing anymore. It’s like Apple does pricing their iPhones, $200 more for a memory chip that costs them less than $5. The 820 probably only costs a few bucks more to make and they sell it for hundreds more.

I wonder how much it will be to get a Canadian 420 and ship it over...


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Thanks for supplying the link to the review. Once it gets its major apps and DV/HDR10+ firmware updates, I'll be curious to read reviews concerning how well those have been implemented. Definitely interested in adding this player to my rack once it gets its full array of features.
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Keep in mind it won’t pass lossless audio (DTS or Dolby) over USB or Network, if that matters to you.


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Keep in mind it won’t pass lossless audio (DTS or Dolby) over USB or Network, if that matters to you.


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Good to know, won’t buy it then. This is the feature i was hoping for.
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Probably a niche market.

Plus it would encourage ripping.
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Probably a niche market.



Plus it would encourage ripping.


So if I buy a disc and rip it to store on my NAS so I can view it wherever I like and whenever I like is wrong? Uploading the file to the internet is wrong.

I did the same thing with my cd collection, I ripped them to the flac format and stored them on my NAS. When I’m on my way to work I can enjoy my collection the way the artist and the producers intended it.

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I'm not saying it's wrong.

Obviously the studios don't want you to rip the disc, whether or not you share it.

The disc player manufacturers probably have to please the studios.
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I'm not saying it's wrong.



Obviously the studios don't want you to rip the disc, whether or not you share it.



The disc player manufacturers probably have to please the studios.


I think they should get over it. iTunes is offering 4K hdr content, Netflix, etc.

Film studios need to focus on business opportunities instead of driving their customers into a corner.

Let the customers enjoy their optical disc and it’s backed up version.

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Exactly, they want you to buy the disc and then buy the digital file of the same movie.

They don't want you to buy the disc and rip it.
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I know the lack of full network streaming and USB playback is frustrating, but the industry was hit very hard by ripping, sharing movies, torrenting and such. It helped distroy the viability of midbudget movies. It's only in the past handful of years that Netflix and iTunes have reduced this trend.


Streaming, local network or internet, is an afterthought on these players. Only a few players are even capable of streaming Netflix at 24p, instead they use 50 ot 60hz (we'll see if these can). Streaming local media is very low on the list of requirements and you're better off looking for a different streaming client for your local media, HTPC, Apple TV (through Plex or Infuse), etc... I use Apple TV so far for my Plex server as it is user friendly for everyone in the household.

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im looking forward to the UB820 after watching those reviews, that tone mapping looks interesting

I'm more interested about the HDR10+ than the DV at this point in time, as my screen does HDR10+

It shouldn't be that far away from being released, i wonder when we will see the first HDR10+ UHD title...

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But these do have Plex client apps, even if they don't stream lossless audio to it?
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