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I tested this using an HDR10 50% pattern target and HCFR. At 50%, HDR10 is 94.5nit on the meter, as expected from the X700, but when you switch on DV and take a reading of the same 50% patch, it reduces in luminance to 60nit. That is a very noticeable difference, so I would say to NOT activate DV unless you know you are watching a DV encoded BD or file. It is definitely not a simple pass-though of HDR10.
What display are you using?
I will check the same on mine, but I can assure you, visually I do not see that dramatic reduction in brightness. Maybe my memory is just acting up.
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What display are you using?
I will check the same on mine, but I can assure you, visually I do not see that dramatic reduction in brightness. Maybe my memory is just acting up.
Sony X900F TV...only change was toggling DV to on, and make sure you are using an actual 94.5nit HDR10 50% pattern, I use the Russian set of patterns from somewhere on the forum I found.

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I’m having issues with my 700. We got new HDMI cables installed in the walls and all of them KIND of work. For instance, the main menu (with Netflix etc) NEVER comes up. If I insert a disc it’ll start up normally but when I hit “play movie” it’ll go black and my TV will say “no signal”.

This happens for UHD blu rays as well as regular old blu rays.

I tried a different cable (not in the wall) and it worked menu and all.

I spoke to Sony they said I need to use “high speed” HDMI cables. If that sounds like the problem does anyone recommend a good cable?

(The guys who installed the cables said “yeah we’re using 4K cables blah blah bs)


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I’m having issues with my 700. We got new HDMI cables installed in the walls and all of them KIND of work. For instance, the main menu (with Netflix etc) NEVER comes up. If I insert a disc it’ll start up normally but when I hit “play movie” it’ll go black and my TV will say “no signal”.

This happens for UHD blu rays as well as regular old blu rays.

I tried a different cable (not in the wall) and it worked menu and all.

I spoke to Sony they said I need to use “high speed” HDMI cables. If that sounds like the problem does anyone recommend a good cable?

(The guys who installed the cables said “yeah we’re using 4K cables blah blah bs)


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Also I checked the cables they installed and they do say “high speed” on them so I dunno what’s going on here


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Also I checked the cables they installed and they do say “high speed” on them so I dunno what’s going on here


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It could be a cable-length problem. Is your cable over 25 feet long?
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Also I checked the cables they installed and they do say “high speed” on them so I dunno what’s going on here


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It could be a cable-length problem. Is your cable over 25 feet long?
Also, are they "Premium Certified"?
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@chiefsneed , unfortunately, "high-speed" was the standard needed for 1080p, however, in this 4K "era", like @bwillcox has pointed out, the current standard that will guarantee full compatibility is Premium Certified (make sure you see the holographic verification sticker on the packaging, I use these, and as you can see, they only go up to 30').

I would pick some up (I also saw that the local Wally World carries another similarly-priced brand), and have the installer come out and replace the ones they installed; and cover the cost of the new ones.

By the way, when I replaced my "high-speed" cables with those mentioned, I haven't had a single issue since.

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Sony UBPX700 keeps stopping

I just had a Sony UBPX700 Blu-ray, and a Denon - AVR 1295W 7.2-Ch. Hi-Res With HEOS 4K Ultra HD HDR Compatible A/V Home Theater Receiver professionally installed along with A Sony X900F Series 65" LED and a Bose Acoustimass 10 speaker system. Everything works, but when a play a music CD, midway thru the second song, and this is pretty consistent, the Blu-ray shuts down. I've played a Blue-ray disc with no problems, but CDs are not working. I returned and replaced the Blue-ray, set it up, updated the firmware, and nothing has changed. Anybody have any thoughts on what may be causing this?
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Sony X900F TV...only change was toggling DV to on, and make sure you are using an actual 94.5nit HDR10 50% pattern, I use the Russian set of patterns from somewhere on the forum I found.

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OK, I will give it a spin on my Z9D and I am using the R.Masciola's HDR-10 UHD Test Patterns : https://diversifiedvideosolutions.com/hdr-10.html
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I just had a Sony UBPX700 Blu-ray, and a Denon - AVR 1295W 7.2-Ch. Hi-Res With HEOS 4K Ultra HD HDR Compatible A/V Home Theater Receiver professionally installed along with A Sony X900F Series 65" LED and a Bose Acoustimass 10 speaker system. Everything works, but when a play a music CD, midway thru the second song, and this is pretty consistent, the Blu-ray shuts down. I've played a Blue-ray disc with no problems, but CDs are not working. I returned and replaced the Blue-ray, set it up, updated the firmware, and nothing has changed. Anybody have any thoughts on what may be causing this?
Have you tried cleaning the discs? If that doesn't solve the problem, I would exchange the X700 again.
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Have you tried cleaning the discs? If that doesn't solve the problem, I would exchange the X700 again.
The discs are clean, and work no problem in other players.
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The discs are clean, and work no problem in other players.
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Unhappy DV + Netflix = Black Screen

So been happily using the X700 as our Netflix and Amazon viewer for a few months now. Starting Thursday or Friday, Netflix shows all black on the profile selection page. I do see the little [Dolby Vision] box pop up on my LG G6P, and even if I select a profile, I'm still looking at an all black screen, but now I have sound.



Turn off DV, everything is happy.



Amazon & 4K Discs still work fine either way.


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Sony X900F TV...only change was toggling DV to on, and make sure you are using an actual 94.5nit HDR10 50% pattern, I use the Russian set of patterns from somewhere on the forum I found.
Finally took my time to run the tests.
And you were right, in DV mode the 50% luminosity (10-bit code value 504) is indeed darker. Makes me wonder why hasn't it bothered me in real life?
In contrast, the SDR 50IRE patch is brighter in DV mode!
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I have picked up one of these, but have not set it up yet. I have two questions regarding it, and it may be general questions, but since I will be using this player, I will post them here.


My plan is to have this replace my PS3 as my dedicated movie player on the HD TV. That is just a 1080p HDTV, not 4K, if needed the model is Westinghouse DWM40F1Y1.


1. Will I be able to watch a UHD on this TV at 1080p? Would it look worse than a BD or the same?


2. When I get a 4K TV, will the widescreen DVDs (720p) upcovert well to 4K resolution or will it end up not looking good? I would plan to get a 43" 4K display to use.


The concern in question 2 is not a huge deal, as it would just mean I would have to do a lot of re-arranging... moving my WS DVDs to another room that will be where the current HD TV and the PS3 end up.

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I have picked up one of these, but have not set it up yet. I have two questions regarding it, and it may be general questions, but since I will be using this player, I will post them here.


My plan is to have this replace my PS3 as my dedicated movie player on the HD TV. That is just a 1080p HDTV, not 4K, if needed the model is Westinghouse DWM40F1Y1.


1. Will I be able to watch a UHD on this TV at 1080p? Would it look worse than a BD or the same?


2. When I get a 4K TV, will the widescreen DVDs (720p) upcovert well to 4K resolution or will it end up not looking good? I would plan to get a 43" 4K display to use.


The concern in question 2 is not a huge deal, as it would just mean I would have to do a lot of re-arranging... moving my WS DVDs to another room that will be where the current HD TV and the PS3 end up.
It should play UHD downscaled to HD. Keep in mind that most UHD discs include a Bluray disc that you'll also be able to use until you get a 4K panel. The Sony upscales as well as any player, 720P can look pretty decent but it will vary by content. Also you can turn off 4K upscaling in the X700 settings and let your TV do the upscaling as an alternative.
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I have picked up one of these, but have not set it up yet. I have two questions regarding it, and it may be general questions, but since I will be using this player, I will post them here.


My plan is to have this replace my PS3 as my dedicated movie player on the HD TV. That is just a 1080p HDTV, not 4K, if needed the model is Westinghouse DWM40F1Y1.


1. Will I be able to watch a UHD on this TV at 1080p? Would it look worse than a BD or the same?


2. When I get a 4K TV, will the widescreen DVDs (720p) upcovert well to 4K resolution or will it end up not looking good? I would plan to get a 43" 4K display to use.


The concern in question 2 is not a huge deal, as it would just mean I would have to do a lot of re-arranging... moving my WS DVDs to another room that will be where the current HD TV and the PS3 end up.
1) Yes and the X700 has an HDR to SDR conversion to simulate HDR on a 1080p device. When you play an HDR 4K BD you are asked to choose between several settings. It actually works well when I use my 1080P projector with an HDR UHD BD.

2) It seems to upconvert DVD at least as well as my older BD player.

4k HDR looks phenomenal on a 4K projector with a 145in screen.
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4k HDR looks phenomenal on a 4K projector with a 145in screen.
With 43" UHD Screen, one would need to sit extremely close to it (not more than 1.5m) to see any benefit. A 145" screen is a different story.
When sitting at 2.5m or farther, the image res will be effectively 720p, so no visible drop in quality, even if the panel is now 4K:

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HI folks. I was wondering, is the X700 considered an upgrade to the X800 m1? I'd like to have DV support but I don't really want to pay the price of the x800 m2 but I was curious why the x700 is so cheap. If anyone could chime in on that I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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HI folks. I was wondering, is the X700 considered an upgrade to the X800 m1? I'd like to have DV support but I don't really want to pay the price of the x800 m2 but I was curious why the x700 is so cheap. If anyone could chime in on that I would appreciate it. Thanks.
The X700 is considered to be lower build quality than both the X800 and X800M2
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The X700 is considered to be lower build quality than both the X800 and X800M2
Okay. I think that is kind of the impression I got with some reading. How about quality though? Same or better as x800 m1? Build quality aside, am I downgrading anything? I realize I lose HDR10+ and the Hi End Audio disc playback but I don't use either of those. I want to make sure AV is same or better as X800 m1. Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.

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Okay. I think that is kind of the impression I got with some reading. How about quality though? Same or better as x800 m1? Build quality aside, am I downgrading anything? I realize I lose HDR10+ and the Hi End Audio disc playback but I don't use either of those. I want to make sure AV is same or better as X800 m1. Thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.
Picture and audio quality should be the same. I haven't seen any measurements but x800 series might have quicker load times and might be quieter.

FYI, none of these Sony players support HDR10+
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Picture and audio quality should be the same. I haven't seen any measurements but x800 series might have quicker load times and might be quieter.

FYI, none of these Sony players support HDR10+
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Gotcha. Thank you for the info. Much appreciated.
You will lose build quality (tin-box vs tank), get external power supply, lose 5GHz wifi and bluetooth. No DVD-A support. Cheaper disc drive inside.
You will gain switchable Dolby Vision.
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Just an update, my UBP X700 was just continuously borked and so I call Sony and they are sending me a new X700. In the meantime, I’m using my Sony X800, and forgot how good the picture and sound is. Call it psychosomatic, but to my eyes the picture and sound is better, even though it’s limited to HDR10. Also, the X800 doesn’t offer 4K Vudu at all, which is puzzling. This is the only reason the X700 is a better buy. It is because of the 4K apps and Dolby Vision support.
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So X700 wouldn't play TrueHD in MKV format. Well, most MKV have the core AC3 stripped from the TrueHD track. Just add/code a core 640kbit DD track inside the TrueHD track and viola. Not sure if a MKV restriction or not, but I use M2TS anyway. Can remux existing MKV to M2TS with the new track (TrueHD+core) and it plays back on the X700. So it looks like the X700 is looking for the core track, similar to how it's on a M2TS file where it's required. In MKV usually it's stripped.

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I just purchased Bohemian Rhapsody 4K BluRay. The disc is a HDR10+ disc. I have the X700 and an A1E. So would you guys turn on the Dolby vision setting? Even though it’s not Dolby Vision (and I know the A1E does not support 10+ as well).

I still loathe the fact that the player doesn’t auto detect whether a disc is DV. My family aren’t tech enough to look all over the movies case to see if it’s DV nor do they care to go into the player settings. I just feel this is a huge miss for the general public.


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I just purchased Bohemian Rhapsody 4K BluRay. The disc is a HDR10+ disc. I have the X700 and an A1E. So would you guys turn on the Dolby vision setting? Even though it’s not Dolby Vision (and I know the A1E does not support 10+ as well).

I still loathe the fact that the player doesn’t auto detect whether a disc is DV. My family aren’t tech enough to look all over the movies case to see if it’s DV nor do they care to go into the player settings. I just feel this is a huge miss for the general public.


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Give it a try. I'm guessing that you're thinking of using DV's dynamic scene by scene processing to try to emulate HDR10+'s dynamic metadata. There are other differences between DV and HDR10, other than dynamic metadata and therefore DV processing would unlikely to be accurate to the director's intent but it would certainly be worth trying.
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I am upset about this dv stuff.

The whole switchable thing is annoying.

First world problems.

For a company like Sony, this is unacceptable. I just watched king Kong 2005 4k, my first 4k optical watch, and was blown away (had dv on). Looking at the disc info, I realized it was not DV and my x900f indicated it was receiving a DV signal.

Reading through this thread, I have come to understand it will not apply HDR passthrough with DV on, and will modify the image?
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What happens with titles that are not native dolby vision and yet I force dolby vision from the sony x700 option? Are washed colors or blacks raised?

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It depends on the source. If DV is forced for SDR content, it results in a blown out overly bright look. Some people don't seem to mind this but it is inaccurate in terms of the content creator's intent.

Forcing DV on HDR10 content is not as noticeable but again is inaccurate vs the content intent. Again, some people don't mind and some people don't think its worth the trouble of flip flopping the manual Dolby Vision setting.

Obviously none of this would need discussion had Sony just used auto DV detection.
Hey sir.

Has anyone written to Sony about this? Why aren't they using autodetection. Any idea?
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