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Gotcha. Thank you for the info. Much appreciated.
You will lose build quality (tin-box vs tank), get external power supply, lose 5GHz wifi and bluetooth. No DVD-A support. Cheaper disc drive inside.
You will gain switchable Dolby Vision.
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Just an update, my UBP X700 was just continuously borked and so I call Sony and they are sending me a new X700. In the meantime, I’m using my Sony X800, and forgot how good the picture and sound is. Call it psychosomatic, but to my eyes the picture and sound is better, even though it’s limited to HDR10. Also, the X800 doesn’t offer 4K Vudu at all, which is puzzling. This is the only reason the X700 is a better buy. It is because of the 4K apps and Dolby Vision support.
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So X700 wouldn't play TrueHD in MKV format. Well, most MKV have the core AC3 stripped from the TrueHD track. Just add/code a core 640kbit DD track inside the TrueHD track and viola. Not sure if a MKV restriction or not, but I use M2TS anyway. Can remux existing MKV to M2TS with the new track (TrueHD+core) and it plays back on the X700. So it looks like the X700 is looking for the core track, similar to how it's on a M2TS file where it's required. In MKV usually it's stripped.

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I just purchased Bohemian Rhapsody 4K BluRay. The disc is a HDR10+ disc. I have the X700 and an A1E. So would you guys turn on the Dolby vision setting? Even though it’s not Dolby Vision (and I know the A1E does not support 10+ as well).

I still loathe the fact that the player doesn’t auto detect whether a disc is DV. My family aren’t tech enough to look all over the movies case to see if it’s DV nor do they care to go into the player settings. I just feel this is a huge miss for the general public.


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I just purchased Bohemian Rhapsody 4K BluRay. The disc is a HDR10+ disc. I have the X700 and an A1E. So would you guys turn on the Dolby vision setting? Even though it’s not Dolby Vision (and I know the A1E does not support 10+ as well).

I still loathe the fact that the player doesn’t auto detect whether a disc is DV. My family aren’t tech enough to look all over the movies case to see if it’s DV nor do they care to go into the player settings. I just feel this is a huge miss for the general public.


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Give it a try. I'm guessing that you're thinking of using DV's dynamic scene by scene processing to try to emulate HDR10+'s dynamic metadata. There are other differences between DV and HDR10, other than dynamic metadata and therefore DV processing would unlikely to be accurate to the director's intent but it would certainly be worth trying.
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I am upset about this dv stuff.

The whole switchable thing is annoying.

First world problems.

For a company like Sony, this is unacceptable. I just watched king Kong 2005 4k, my first 4k optical watch, and was blown away (had dv on). Looking at the disc info, I realized it was not DV and my x900f indicated it was receiving a DV signal.

Reading through this thread, I have come to understand it will not apply HDR passthrough with DV on, and will modify the image?
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What happens with titles that are not native dolby vision and yet I force dolby vision from the sony x700 option? Are washed colors or blacks raised?

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It depends on the source. If DV is forced for SDR content, it results in a blown out overly bright look. Some people don't seem to mind this but it is inaccurate in terms of the content creator's intent.

Forcing DV on HDR10 content is not as noticeable but again is inaccurate vs the content intent. Again, some people don't mind and some people don't think its worth the trouble of flip flopping the manual Dolby Vision setting.

Obviously none of this would need discussion had Sony just used auto DV detection.
Hey sir.

Has anyone written to Sony about this? Why aren't they using autodetection. Any idea?
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Hello All


Just got a x700 unit and although overall I am very pleased with it, I have a couple of issues that I hope someone can help with:


First, I have a set of old DVDs (Star Trek Deep Space Nine) that have a 5.1 audio track. My former Panasonic player would play the 5.1 audio no problem. However, the x700 only plays 2.0, no matter what settings I change in both the x700 or my AV reciever (Anthem mrx-720).



Second, the x700 will apparently not pass through bitstream or 5.1 audio when watching 5.1 You-Tube videos. The AV reciever always shows 2.0 PCM. Again, all settings per instruction manual etc


If this topic is discussed elsewhere in the forum, please point me that way



Any assistance will be appreciated!
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Hello All


Just got a x700 unit and although overall I am very pleased with it, I have a couple of issues that I hope someone can help with:


First, I have a set of old DVDs (Star Trek Deep Space Nine) that have a 5.1 audio track. My former Panasonic player would play the 5.1 audio no problem. However, the x700 only plays 2.0, no matter what settings I change in both the x700 or my AV reciever (Anthem mrx-720).


Second, the x700 will apparently not pass through bitstream or 5.1 audio when watching 5.1 You-Tube videos. The AV reciever always shows 2.0 PCM. Again, all settings per instruction manual etc


If this topic is discussed elsewhere in the forum, please point me that way



Any assistance will be appreciated!
Try in the audio settings screen, set Digital Audio Output to Auto and BD Secondary Audio to off, also DTS Neo:6 to Off
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Try in the audio settings screen, set Digital Audio Output to Auto and BD Secondary Audio to off, also DTS Neo:6 to Off
Thanks for the quick reply! However, I have set those as directed and they have no effect. Pretty much every setting has no effect!
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Thanks for the quick reply! However, I have set those as directed and they have no effect. Pretty much every setting has no effect!

I'll dig out some 5.1 DVDs tonight and see how they behave - don't think I've actually watched one on the X700 yet

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I'll did out some 5.1 DVDs tonight and see how they behave - don't think I've actually watched one on the X700 yet
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You will gain switchable Dolby Vision.
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What do you mean gain switchable DV?

I am reading on the sony website reviews stating the x800m2 does not have the vudu app, WTF? I could not spend more money on a Sony UHD player that is mising the vudu app, crazy that the x700 and x800m1 both have the vudu app.

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What do you mean gain switchable DV?

I am reading on the sony website reviews stating the x800m2 does not have the vudu app, WTF? I could not spend more money on a Sony UHD player that is mising the vudu app, crazy that the x700 and x800m1 both have the vudu app.
The original question was comparing the X800 vs the X700. He means that one gains switchable DV on the X700
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I'll dig out some 5.1 DVDs tonight and see how they behave - don't think I've actually watched one on the X700 yet
Put on Black Hawk Down and U-571 DVDs and both played DD5.1. I have the audio from the X700 connected via HDMI2 to my receiver with HDMI1 going to the tv.
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Thanks for the quick reply! However, I have set those as directed and they have no effect. Pretty much every setting has no effect!
Just a thought but have you tried toggling through the audio channels using the button on the remote called Audio ?
I am just wondering if, for some reason, it is playing an alternative 2 channel audio stream.

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Hello All

Just got a x700 unit and although overall I am very pleased with it, I have a couple of issues that I hope someone can help with:

First, I have a set of old DVDs (Star Trek Deep Space Nine) that have a 5.1 audio track. My former Panasonic player would play the 5.1 audio no problem. However, the x700 only plays 2.0, no matter what settings I change in both the x700 or my AV reciever (Anthem mrx-720).

Second, the x700 will apparently not pass through bitstream or 5.1 audio when watching 5.1 You-Tube videos. The AV reciever always shows 2.0 PCM. Again, all settings per instruction manual etc

If this topic is discussed elsewhere in the forum, please point me that way

Any assistance will be appreciated!

Just tested and older DVD (Shrooms) with a Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack. My Onkyo 818 AVR detected and displayed Dolby Digital 5.1 *Also, when you hit the Display button on the Sony remote during playback, it shows you Video codec/bitrate at the bottom and Audio format/bit rate in the upper right hand corner.

These are my UBP-X700 and AVR settings.

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Digital Output Auto
DSD Output Mode Off
BD Secondary Audio Off
Digital music Enhancer Off
DTS: Neo 6 Cinema
PCM 192KHz
Audio DRC Off
Downmix Surround

Setup > System Settings

HDMI Audio Output Auto

Software Version MR43.R.0277
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HDMI Settings in Bluray/DVD mode

HDMI: Bitstream > Auto
HDMI: Video > Pass-through
HDMI: Audio > Pass-through
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Also @dwatterson , YouTube has only ever been stereo since the begining; people can add "5.1" or "Dolby surround" to the title all they want, but only stereo is possible (any video touting surround is just click-bait, unfortunately).
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Also @dwatterson , YouTube has only ever been stereo since the begining; people can add "5.1" or "Dolby surround" to the title all they want, but only stereo is possible (any video touting surround is just click-bait, unfortunately).
Thanks All!

I appreciate the insights! I also put in some other older dvds and they appear to play properly, so it must be some weird coding in the Deep Space 9 discs...I have tried toggling the input settings but nothing changes - just 2.0 sound out of the front speakers. Sigh - a nice feature of the dvd series is that although the video quality is pretty poor, it was at least recorded in 5.1 audio...

Re the youtube and 5.1 settings, I think I understand, although there is an awful lot of various videos and audio example tracks that claim to be in 5.1...

So then a related question - the only settings for digital output are auto or PCM. How do you set the machine to output bitstream if you want the AVR to do all the decoding? I have not once seen "bitstream" in my AVR display from any source

Thanks again!
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I have my first 65” 4K tv coming this Saturday and am wondering what are the major differences between the X700 and x800?
I am a beginner so what I see online is that the x800 has WiFi (which I don’t need)
Anything else that might be worth spending $60 extra for the x800?
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I have my first 65” 4K tv coming this Saturday and am wondering what are the major differences between the X700 and x800?
I am a beginner so what I see online is that the x800 has WiFi (which I don’t need)
Anything else that might be worth spending $60 extra for the x800?
They both have built-in WiFi. The x700 has Dolby Vision in addition to HDR10 for both. The x800 has better build quality, weighing 8 lbs to x700's 3 lbs.
If your TV has Dolby Vision the answer is x700. If not, x800 would be my suggestion.

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I have my first 65” 4K tv coming this Saturday and am wondering what are the major differences between the X700 and x800?
I am a beginner so what I see online is that the x800 has WiFi (which I don’t need)
Anything else that might be worth spending $60 extra for the x800?
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They both have built-in WiFi. The x700 has Dolby Vision in addition to HDR10 for both. The x800 has better build quality, weighing 8 lbs to x700's 3 lbs.
If your TV has Dolby Vision the answer is x700. If not, x800 would be my suggestion.

Good luck. Have fun.

The X800M2 (upgrade to the X800) has DV as well. So build quality, better drive, quieter than the X700. Note though that if using it for streaming is important to you, the X800M2 doesn't yet have a Vudu app for some reason. Go and take a look at the X800M2 Owners thread for more details.
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So then a related question - the only settings for digital output are auto or PCM. How do you set the machine to output bitstream if you want the AVR to do all the decoding? I have not once seen "bitstream" in my AVR display from any source
Auto is the correct option there.
And to get bitstream out, you need to follow this advice: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post57319456

You will never see "bitstream" on AVR. If you get proper bitstream output, then your AVR will signal what incoming codec it is getting from UBP. It shall say Dolby Digital (Plus), Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA and such.
If it will not receive clean bitstream, then it can only display PCM (ie. already decoded signal, which can contain more than 2 channels).
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Auto is the correct option there.
And to get bitstream out, you need to follow this advice: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post57319456

You will never see "bitstream" on AVR. If you get proper bitstream output, then your AVR will signal what incoming codec it is getting from UBP. It shall say Dolby Digital (Plus), Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA and such.
If it will not receive clean bitstream, then it can only display PCM (ie. already decoded signal, which can contain more than 2 channels).
OK thanks Priitv!

What you say certainly seems to explain what I see, however it is disconcerting to not have the ability to "force" bitstream out so the AVR can do all the decoding...If, as the previous poster states, ALL youtube videos are 2 channel only and I can't force bitstream out to play the Deep Space Nine dvds in 5.1, then I guess I am stuck. My old Panasonic did all this just fine, it just became frustratingly unreliable...

I appreciate the clarification and assistance!
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So, I have an issue that I am hoping I can get some help with. I have an X700 and when I play an HDR disc, I cannot get an HDR signal unless I turn ON 24p in the settings menu. The thing is, I don't want 24p to be ON, as I've always preferred the way movies look with it off (which I think would be 60?).

Not an issue with DVD or BD, but it simply will not read HDR unless I turn on 24p. It was suggested it was because I had older HDMI cables but I ordered some newer ones from Amazon and still have the same issue.

Is there a work-around for this? Is this a player-specific restriction? I talked to Sony and they seemed very confused by what I was asking - before finally telling me that 24p has to be turned ON for HDR regardless.

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Is the X700 connected directly to your TV or is it going through an amp?
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There are bandwidth limitations on some amps and it may not support HDR at 60hz. 2ndly, if you have your output set to 4:4:4 then, IIRC, 60hz (60p) @ 10bit/pixel (Typical HDR encoding) would exceed the current 18gbps bandwidth limitation:



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There are bandwidth limitations on some amps and it may not support HDR at 60hz. 2ndly, if you have your output set to 4:4:4 then, IIRC, 60hz (60p) @ 10bit/pixel (Typical HDR encoding) would exceed the current 18gbps bandwidth limitation:







http://community.cedia.net/blogs/dav.../4k-60-444-hdr

I guess I can try plugging the BD directly into the TV to see if it is an amp limitation.

But can you watch HDR with 24p off using your player? Sony told me it has to be ON/AUTO.


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So, I have an issue that I am hoping I can get some help with. I have an X700 and when I play an HDR disc, I cannot get an HDR signal unless I turn ON 24p in the settings menu. The thing is, I don't want 24p to be ON, as I've always preferred the way movies look with it off (which I think would be 60?).

Not an issue with DVD or BD, but it simply will not read HDR unless I turn on 24p. It was suggested it was because I had older HDMI cables but I ordered some newer ones from Amazon and still have the same issue.

Is there a work-around for this? Is this a player-specific restriction? I talked to Sony and they seemed very confused by what I was asking - before finally telling me that 24p has to be turned ON for HDR regardless.

Any advice? I can always return the player and get another one that doesn't have this restriction if needed.
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Through a Yamaha A1050 Aventage.


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If you bypass the Yamaha and go straight from the X700 to the TV, what happens?

Had a quick look at the Aventage manual and there's a setting to disable video processing, have you tried that?


Video Processing (Video Process.)
Enables/disables the video signal processing (resolution and aspect ratio) settings configured in “Processing” (p.119) in the “Setup” menu.

Direct (Direct) Disables the video signal processing.
Processing (Processing) Enables the video signal processing.

Sony XBR-65A9F, Sony UBP-X700, Denon AVR-890 (cooled by AC Infinity AIRCOM T10), Apple TV (non 4K), B&W 600 series & LM1s in 7.1 config, Harmony Elite
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