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MY X700 is retired.

But I think I may like to try to still investigate why it sometimes locked up when playing movies. Because it's a nice player aside from that.

It's long out of warranties and I opened it up one day and after playing back some UHD content the heat sink never became warm.

Which made me think maybe the problem in mine is the heatsink isn't making proper contact. The sort of thing gamers are experts at fixing.

I had room to take it to recycling today and I decided until I have a spare UHD player I should keep a spare UHD player. (come to think of it it's my only SACD player but then I only have a single SACD that I have backed up in the form of it was re-issued on Blu Ray Audio.)

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I've had a Sony X700 for over a year now and have been very happy with it, but I have had something weird come up when using Netflix. When I'm attempting to check out the videos to select one, I occasionally get a black screen for ten to twelve seconds before a picture comes back. This is very annoying. (It doesn't happen when I am using Amazon Prime or Youtube.)

I switched the player out with a Sony X800 from my living room system. No problem here, accept with the 800 I no longer get HDR using my Optima UHD 50 4K DLP projector with any of these streaming services. I DO still get HDR from my 700, so I had to make a choice about which player to use in my one man home theater.

Has any other X700 users had a similar experience?
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I've had a Sony X700 for over a year now and have been very happy with it, but I have had something weird come up when using Netflix. When I'm attempting to check out the videos to select one, I occasionally get a black screen for ten to twelve seconds before a picture comes back. This is very annoying. (It doesn't happen when I am using Amazon Prime or Youtube.)

I switched the player out with a Sony X800 from my living room system. No problem here, accept with the 800 I no longer get HDR using my Optima UHD 50 4K DLP projector with any of these streaming services. I DO still get HDR from my 700, so I had to make a choice about which player to use in my one man home theater.

Has any other X700 users had a similar experience?
This is probably a settings issue. The X700 can stream 24hz 4K HDR content if you enable 24p playback and this also results in lower bandwidth which many HDMI cables and AVRs can handle. The X800 might be forcing 60hz while streaming and this might be exceeding your HDMI cables or your AVR's bandwidth limits for 4K HDR.

IIRC, Netflix switches in and out of HDR mode (causing the projector to blank as it switches modes) depending on what you're previewing, although I think Netflix now has an option to turn that off.
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I've had a Sony X700 for over a year now and have been very happy with it, but I have had something weird come up when using Netflix. When I'm attempting to check out the videos to select one, I occasionally get a black screen for ten to twelve seconds before a picture comes back. This is very annoying. (It doesn't happen when I am using Amazon Prime or Youtube.)

I switched the player out with a Sony X800 from my living room system. No problem here, accept with the 800 I no longer get HDR using my Optima UHD 50 4K DLP projector with any of these streaming services. I DO still get HDR from my 700, so I had to make a choice about which player to use in my one man home theater.

Has any other X700 users had a similar experience?
The x700 aggressively switches between video modes. Even if it's playing consecutive mkv files it will insert some 4k60 (that it uses for menus) in between 4k24 videos, which forces the projector to resync at the start of each video (really annoying for trailers). I've been playing around a bit with having my HDFury rescale some of the video to get rid of some of the transitions, and am planning on experimenting with whether disabling 24fps in the x700 helps (without bothering me too much watching movies). I would start by disabling 24fps and see if that's what is changing.

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Hi,

I've purchased this Player as an update to my Samsung K8500, since I've been upgrading all my system these past weeks.
So I do own a Sony 65XG9509, an Onkyo TX-NR 696.

I plugged the player directly to my Sony via HDMI1, and to my Onkyo for the sound part.
Everything is fine for UHD Discs, they play in Dolby Vision when available, 24p...
But I can't seem to find a way to output 24p when I play a regular Blu-Ray Disc.

The info Displayed by the player is 1080P /60 HDR, my TV says it's 1080p Dolby vision. I'm not against some SDR->HDR upconversion, but i'm really annoyed not being able to output 24p on Standard Blu-rays when I can on UHD ones...

I've loooked into the settings and the manual, but I don't see what I might have missed.

I've also tried plugging the player to my TV through the Onkyo AV Receiver (which has HDMI 2.0, Dolby Vision and so on).
Same results still 60p. On top of a slightly softer, less defined image i'd say.


Any help on how to output 24p from a regular Blu-Ray ?
I've searched for updates but the player says it has the latest one.

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Hi,

I've purchased this Player as an update to my Samsung K8500, since I've been upgrading all my system these past weeks.
So I do own a Sony 65XG9509, an Onkyo TX-NR 696.

I plugged the player directly to my Sony via HDMI1, and to my Onkyo for the sound part.
Everything is fine for UHD Discs, they play in Dolby Vision when available, 24p...
But I can't seem to find a way to output 24p when I play a regular Blu-Ray Disc.

The info Displayed by the player is 1080P /60 HDR, my TV says it's 1080p Dolby vision. I'm not against some SDR->HDR upconversion, but i'm really annoyed not being able to output 24p on Standard Blu-rays when I can on UHD ones...

I've loooked into the settings and the manual, but I don't see what I might have missed.

I've also tried plugging the player to my TV through the Onkyo AV Receiver (which has HDMI 2.0, Dolby Vision and so on).
Same results still 60p. On top of a slightly softer, less defined image i'd say.


Any help on how to output 24p from a regular Blu-Ray ?
I've searched for updates but the player says it has the latest one.
see page 21 of the manual:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup.../46984061M.pdf
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Like I said, I've checked the manual too before posting, but I can't see what I might have configured the wrong way.

Especially since I don't see a clear distinction between BD and UHD BD in those settings.

If I output 2160/24p, how come I don't output 1080/24p ?!

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Like I said, I've checked the manual too before posting, but I can't see what I might have configured the wrong way.

Especially since I don't see a clear distinction between BD and UHD BD in those settings.

If I output 2160/24p, how come I don't output 1080/24p ?!

Gonna take a picture of my settings.
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I have my X700 set to upscale to 4K and it's outputting a 1080p BD right now at 24hz (24P).

I have all 24p output settings on 'auto'.
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That’s it! Thank you!

So Dolby Vision has to be manually toggled on/off? I thought it would detect whether the disk supported .

So I've found the answer page 26 of this thread.

That's so stupid !

So I'm gonna have to turn off/on Dolby vision everytime I want to watch a DV Disc.

I'm so disapointed by Sony on that

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Like I said, I've checked the manual too before posting, but I can't see what I might have configured the wrong way.

Especially since I don't see a clear distinction between BD and UHD BD in those settings.

If I output 2160/24p, how come I don't output 1080/24p ?!

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See my previous post. Try setting your 24p out options to 'auto'.
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See my previous post. Try setting your 24p out options to 'auto'.
I'm all set to auto, doesn't change a thing.

It's a known issue, even an x800.

Dolby vision turned to on automatically applies a Dolby vision metadata even on non Dolby vision titles and regular blu rays.

Plus it outputs regular blu rays at 60hz.

So you have to manually change the settings...
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I'm all set to auto, doesn't change a thing.

It's a known issue, even an x800.

Dolby vision turned to on automatically applies a Dolby vision metadata even on non Dolby vision titles and regular blu rays.

Plus it outputs regular blu rays at 60hz.

So you have to manually change the settings...
Well, it not only applies the metadata but it scales the brightness and color to match the display. If your display doesn't do a good job of that itself, this is actually a good thing. I expect Sony found the player did a better job of it than the TVs it was designed to support.

A lot of people are leveraging this behavior to improve picture quality on their projectors using the LLDV support put into the player for these compute-challenged TVs.

Which doesn't really explain why this setting isn't always/auto/off IMHO.

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My Sony screen is supposed to have one of the best image processing (X1 ultimate)

But I guess since the player still outputs 1080p, the TV still does the upscaling.

It's still a bummer that it automatically outputs in 60hz in that situation.

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My Sony screen is supposed to have one of the best image processing (X1 ultimate)

But I guess since the player still outputs 1080p, the TV still does the upscaling.

It's still a bummer that it automatically outputs in 60hz in that situation.
There's honestly not going to be enough of a difference in the upscaling to resort to dealing with that.

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Still my issue is not with upscaling, but with that stupid implementation from Sony

That when you set Dolby Vision ON, it sets it oh for everything and on top of that outputing 1080p Blu Rays at 60Hz, instead of 24Hz.

I don't see WHY choosing to set Dolby Visions HAS to output 1080p Blu Rays at 60Hz...

That's just bad engineering


Even if I do have a sony TV SET, I'm now considering returning this player for a LG UBK90...

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Just a heads-up: until recently, I used both the main and the audio-only HDMI outputs on my x700. I wanted TrueHD with Atmos to be carried directly to my AVR while the video passed directly to the TV. At that time, the TV would not pass properly over eARC (2-channels instead of 8) the audio signal to the AVR. There seemed to be CEC issues with my AVR when using both HDMI outputs. I recently modified my TV's EDID table to allow all 8-channel of audio to pass through to the AVR. As it was no longer needed, I removed the audio-only HDMI connection's cable from the x700 to my AVR. No more CEC issues.

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Still my issue is not with upscaling, but with that stupid implementation from Sony

That when you set Dolby Vision ON, it sets it oh for everything and on top of that outputing 1080p Blu Rays at 60Hz, instead of 24Hz.

I don't see WHY choosing to set Dolby Visions HAS to output 1080p Blu Rays at 60Hz...

That's just bad engineering


Even if I do have a sony TV SET, I'm now considering returning this player for a LG UBK90...
The manual DV switching of the X700 sucks but are you aware that the Dolby Vision profile on the LG player will not work with your Sony TV?
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That when you set Dolby Vision ON, it sets it oh for everything and on top of that outputing 1080p Blu Rays at 60Hz, instead of 24Hz.
I can't duplicate having it output UHD at [email protected] and [email protected] I just checked with the Inside Out Bluray and regardless of whether I had the player upscaling to 4K or just staying at 1080p, I got 24fps BT2020 DV (reported by my HDfury). In fact on the x700 it's the same setting that controls 24fps for all discs regardless of resolution. I wonder if your TV or receiver (or something else if it's in the chain) isn't advertising that it supports [email protected]? Or are you playing a ripped version of a 1080p disc, in which case one of the other 24fps settings would apply?

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I can't duplicate having it output UHD at [email protected] and [email protected] I just checked with the Inside Out Bluray and regardless of whether I had the player upscaling to 4K or just staying at 1080p, I got 24fps BT2020 DV (reported by my HDfury). In fact on the x700 it's the same setting that controls 24fps for all discs regardless of resolution. I wonder if your TV or receiver (or something else if it's in the chain) isn't advertising that it supports [email protected]? Or are you playing a ripped version of a 1080p disc, in which case one of the other 24fps settings would apply?

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Thank you for trying to figure this out with me.

I played two different purchased discs that both have 1080/24p

Both my TV and receiver are compatible with 24hz, I was able to got 1080p / 24 by disabling DV ont the player

And apparently I'm not the only one with this issue, since I've found that workaround page 126 of this thread.


Can you check the pictures I've posted here and tell me wich settings might differ from yours ?

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Thank you for trying to figure this out with me.

I played two different purchased discs that both have 1080/24p

Both my TV and receiver are compatible with 24hz, I was able to got 1080p / 24 by disabling DV ont the player

And apparently I'm not the only one with this issue, since I've found that workaround page 126 of this thread.


Can you check the pictures I've posted here and tell me wich settings might differ from yours ?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post59672842

I also have “Cinema Conversion Mode” to Auto (you didn’t have a picture of it). I have 4K upscale to Off, though it used to be Auto2. 24P is Auto/Off/Auto/Off. I have a projector with a 120” screen rather than your TV. Otherwise I think everything is the same.

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I also have “Cinema Conversion Mode” to Auto (you didn’t have a picture of it). I have 4K upscale to Off, though it used to be Auto2. 24P is Auto/Off/Auto/Off. I have a projector with a 120” screen rather than your TV. Otherwise I think everything is the same.
First thank you for your time !

I checked my player, cinema conversion mode is set to Auto

I tried with upscale to ff instead of Auto 1 "which is suposed to let my sony TV with the X1 ultimate do the upscaling)

Tried all your setting even Projector, but still no chance.

Are you sure Dolby Vision is set to On your side ?

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Are you sure Dolby Vision is set to On your side ?
Yes, and the HDfury confirms it's receiving a DV signal.

I would still look really hard at settings on your receiver to make sure there's not something odd set there.

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I'm gonna double check on that, but I got the same result by plugging the X700 to my TV.

Which i odd is that as soon as I disable DV, the Blu Ray is outputed at 24p.
And on other forums, and even on Sony Website that seems to be a known issue.

But at the same time you give me hope

Which firmware do you have ? Mine is supposed to have the latest one if I look for an OTA update.

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I'm gonna double check on that, but I got the same result by plugging the X700 to my TV.

Which i odd is that as soon as I disable DV, the Blu Ray is outputed at 24p.
I have the current X1100ES with latest firmware, and let me tell you - if you have Dolby Vision on and let it play normal SDR bluray, you will get 1080p Dolby Vision at 60fps. There is no way around it.
Things may be different, if you use USB or DLNA as your source.
Here I tried to summarize, how it works for me at the moment:
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Wow, that's a lot of job you did here !

Anyways, so another voice saying Sony UHD Players won't output SDR /24p on regular BR as soon as DV is turned On

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I have the current X1100ES with latest firmware, and let me tell you - if you have Dolby Vision on and let it play normal SDR bluray, you will get 1080p Dolby Vision at 60fps. There is no way around it.
Things may be different, if you use USB or DLNA as your source.
Here I tried to summarize, how it works for me at the moment:
(PS there are some developments in playing back UHD BD rips in Dolby Vision, that my table does not account for).
Great work!

For SDR BDs, if Deep Color is turned off (and DV OFF) then you will get 8bits out instead of 12, which lets the expensive 10bit display do its thing.... Just thought I'd throw that in, for what it's worth.
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I have the current X1100ES with latest firmware, and let me tell you - if you have Dolby Vision on and let it play normal SDR bluray, you will get 1080p Dolby Vision at 60fps. There is no way around it......
Greetings priitv8.
How does it behave if 4k upscaling is enabled?
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How does it behave if 4k upscaling is enabled?
Let me check it.
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Greetings priitv8.
How does it behave if 4k upscaling is enabled?
I checked this last night. Playing a regular SDR bluray I get [email protected] when 4k upscaling is in auto2, output resolution is automatic, and DV on. When upscaling is off and DV on I get [email protected] Upscaling off and DV off I get [email protected]

Seems like a bug that would be easy to fix. Maybe enough people need to complain to Sony.

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