Originally Posted by SteroMAdMAn
Well yeah, if you are just going to run audio out on your HDMI to your $400 receiver and let it do the surround sound processing and your display do the scaling. This product really isn't for you. But then again you already knew that and just wanted to come in here to hear yourself talk I assume?
Oppos have pretty consistently ranked tops in PQ going back years now. I do agree that others can match it in PQ and if all you want is something for BD/UHD playback and streaming apps, you are better off saving a few bucks and just getting a Sony, Panny or whatever is on sale at the time. However focusing on the 1 area that gives your argument a touch of credence sounds a bit silly. PQ is just a small portion of what Oppo does right with these players.
Hmmm. Its an internet forum so there isnt anything for me to "hear" regarding "hearing myself talk". There is NO scaling taking place when you send a native 4K signal to my TV which is also native 4K. Sure, I still have 1080p blu-rays but still let my TV handle the upconversion. Looks fabulous. Zero issues or concerns. The sound quality is also just ducky in my modest arrangement. Lossless is lossless.
Oh - focusing on PQ is exactly what we should be doing! The UHD players main task is to play discs and produce PQ. Its priority #1
. So yeah, because pretty much ANY player out there displays a terrific UHD image on a good TV certainly does give it a lot of "credence". Me and many others have already correctly stated that all of that other "fluff" that these Oppos do is not applicable to a huge number of people. Those are the facts. SACD support? Analog audio outs? DVD audio support? Like tits on a boar hog for most people. Useless. IMO, Oppo should have ditched some of that and made a solid $299 player. Too late now.
Dolby Vision support is "useful" but HDR gets the job done and quite frankly its silly for peope to have to screw around with multiple HDR formats. Its just dumb. Pick one and lets roll with it. What other "must-have" features are there? Ill answer - none. Its ALL about the PQ and the ability to play discs that the owner inserts into the tray. For this, there are plenty of players out there handle this perfectly well.
Sorry we disagree. The market has spoken, right?
Originally Posted by lyris
I'm seeing a lot of news reports following Oppo Digital's decision to exit the disc player market from the "streaming is eating into physical media market share" angle. That might have played some part, but it ignores the fact that most of Oppo's players had Netflix, Hulu, Vudu etc support built in as well. Not only that, but their high quality players were priced at enthusiasts who are more likely to want physical media over low-quality online video.
As I argued in my article on HDTVtest.co.uk, Oppo's decision probably has more to do with the fact that standard Blu-ray Disc players you can pick up at Best Buy for $80 typically produce the same picture quality as Oppo's $600 tanks when playing actual Blu-ray (their cheap plastic build quality and DVD playback quality is a different matter). There was a big difference in the quality of upscaling DVD players, which is where Oppo originally found their niche, but the gap narrowed to the point of almost non-existence with BD.
I think the high quality of Blu-ray itself was ultimately their undoing. Oppo's products served a purpose (high quality deinterlacing and scaling) that became less and less relevant.
Your bolded paragraph sums this whole thing up perfectly. A while back, when we were still trying to get good upscaling and whatever else it made a LOT more sense to pay more for a top player like the Oppos. I get that. But, as you said, times have changed. The "basic" players produce an indentical UHD image and most good TVs also scale very well. And, DVD upscaling is an extremely small concern for most people these days. Im sure the Oppos handle that better but its not enough to justify their cost.
So, yeah - Oppos strengths did become less relevant. And, supporting micro-niche 2-channel CD formats is great but it cant help sustain the product line. Anyone into high end 2-channle audio would be using a specific CD player or a discrete DAC all that stuff.