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post #721 of 3294 Old 04-05-2018, 04:37 AM
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this feels like a pc vs mac debate... the value is there if you check ALL the boxes

i'm not saying it's not a fair price for what you get, but that what you get is massive overkill for the vast majority of consumers.

again it comes to options, options are great, and it's sad that this option is being taken away. but if oppo wanted to compete, it probably should have offered something more mainstream to keep the lights on.

i want to say the real shame is that the market doesn't cater to quality, long-lasting products anymore. i'm fully willing to spend double, if it lasts 3 times as long(or more). but with the current market, nothing stays relevant long enough to justify the cost. i mean, if i had the world's greatest dvd player right now, i wouldn't know what to do with it. in 2 years, i might feel that way about anything that doesn't have the latest version of hdmi. there's very few products that are still worth investing in quality for, and that's a real shame, imo.
Great post - and finally some reasonble comments in this thread. The value IS there for the higher cost players IF the buyer will make use of those extra features. Massive Overkill is probably a good way to state it. The "snobs" can lament all they want about reguler, everyday UHD players but the facts show that most of them play discs just fine and provide a great experience for them at home. The players get firmware updates regularly too.

I agree with you that Oppo should have catered more to a mid-tier market and offered a player that didnt have analog audio outs and whatever other "massive overkill" features so they could have wet the appetites of a much larger user base. An analogy would be how BMW/Mercedes/Audi all make what they call an "entry-level" car where the idea is once you get people hooked on the feel & quality that they'll become lifelong customers and buy your more premium cars. Seems to work since most owners of those cars are pretty loyal. You get the idea. But, they didnt and insted offered up a $550 dollar player that had way too much useless fluff. Obviously that didnt work.

Also - great point about how fast things change and whatever "top-of-the-line" player you bought a year or two ago might suddenly be incompatible with *whatever* spec changes occur. Products improve too over time. The "entry-level" products get better and better. We are the point where that shunned $250 UHD players puts out a great image and just "works". I like quality products too. Thats why I bought an OLED. But, sometimes you can get 99% of the performance from a product that costs like 2/3 less. For the modestly-enriched video hobbyist, you have to take advantage of such things.

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Heads up the 203 is out of stock at crutchfield and they don’t even list the 205 now. The only thing in stock are the rack mounts.

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This is really sad news as for me the Oppo players really have been the pinnacle of enthusiast AV disc spinners for years, and i am a proud and happy owner of the 205.

Perhaps the Chinese connection has been both the biggest asset and primary cause for the demise of the brand. Often people will say that the players are over priced etc but when you look at the 205 and compare it to similar audiophile products from niche enthusiast brands, these machines often cost thousands of dollars more than the Oppo. Access to large advanced factories and the buying power of the parent company no doubt the reason for the high value/performance ratio.

I imagine that Oppo HQ have looked at the numbers and decided to focus exclusively on the mobile phone business, this may be influenced by impending tariffs etc. A niche product with high manufacturing costs that diverts resources from the core mobile phone business is now perhaps considered a burden.

One thing i do not accept is that the lack of streaming apps was a primary cause. The absence of the apps could be due to the fact that this was in the pipeline but as player i think the machine benefits. It has a HDMI input whose primary purpose is for the attachment of streaming devices which will always be better supported, with more choice and updates that disc player based apps regardless of manufacturer. This way one can take advantage of the Oppo av performance while utilising the latest streaming tech.

Anyway a sad day, one can only hope that the brand will live on in a new form perhaps with a new name and that the core personnel in Oppo Digital USA can find a way to regroup and relaunch under another guise. I do fear this is unlikely and it really is the end of an era.
Nobody has ever realized Oppo actually loses money on selling these players...especially comparing to huge profit from their mobile business.
Am I the only one who still wants to buy an Oppo in the near future? I have been planning this for a long time.

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Nobody has ever realized Oppo actually loses money on selling these players...especially comparing to huge profit from their mobile business.
Am I the only one who still wants to buy an Oppo in the near future? I have been planning this for a long time.
I'm not so sure that Oppo actually loses money on selling the players. It's more that selling mobile phones is a LOT more profitable, so if they need more manufacturing capacity, it becomes a somewhat simple business decision. Something along the lines of: do you build another building for $$$$$ or do you shut down a division that only generates $$ profits?
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Didn't Oppo indicate that they will continue to manufacture 205 players with the last shipment being in June? Hopefully they will have some available soon. Would be nice to be put on a waiting list as stock becomes available.

Quick question, the "hdmi out audio only" is for the SACD/CD? I'm assuming this is connected to my Anthem AVR hdmi in or do I use the analog out in the 203 to analog in on the Anthem AVR? I don't normally listen to CDs because I haven't had a CD player in forever and have most of them copied to iTunes.

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Didn't Oppo indicate that they will continue to manufacture 205 players with the last shipment being in June? Hopefully they will have some available soon. Would be nice to be put on a waiting list as stock becomes available.

Quick question, the "hdmi out audio only" is for the SACD/CD? I'm assuming this is connected to my Anthem AVR hdmi in or do I use the analog out in the 203 to analog in on the Anthem AVR? I don't normally listen to CDs because I haven't had a CD player in forever and have most of them copied to iTunes.
For the 203, use HDMI. The Anthem and 203 use the same dac I believe. AKM 4458, so best to leave in the digital domain as long as possible.
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Heads up the 203 is out of stock at crutchfield and they don’t even list the 205 now. The only thing in stock are the rack mounts.
This happened faster than I thought, glad I put my order in for the 205 on Tuesday. Its odd but I feel like the enthusiasts are showing their support by gobbling up the last of their stock but then again doesn't this mean we are rushing the folks at Oppo into early retirement?
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This happened faster than I thought, glad I put my order in for the 205 on Tuesday. Its odd but I feel like the enthusiasts are showing their support by gobbling up the last of their stock but then again doesn't this mean we are rushing the folks at Oppo into early retirement?
I bet the resellers are a big part of it. I'm sure they buy 15, 20 at a time and stick 'em on eBay for $2500.

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Heads up the 203 is out of stock at crutchfield and they don’t even list the 205 now. The only thing in stock are the rack mounts.
Well I guess that makes my decision for me.

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This happened faster than I thought, glad I put my order in for the 205 on Tuesday. Its odd but I feel like the enthusiasts are showing their support by gobbling up the last of their stock but then again doesn't this mean we are rushing the folks at Oppo into early retirement?
Can't decide if I want to wait and see if more 205 stock becomes available or go ahead grab a 203?

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Can't decide if I want to wait and see if more 205 stock becomes available or go ahead grab a 203?
Well, do you care about 2-channel audio via stereo out and a headphone jack? If not a priority I'd go 203.

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Well, do you care about 2-channel audio via stereo out and a headphone jack? If not a priority I'd go 203.

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More 205's are becoming available. Check out Audio Advisors and Value Electronics (both sellers are highly reputable and are selling them at MSRP). Oppo had stated they would continue to manufacture them until around June, and that seems to be the case. But better grab one while you can.
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still available at audioadvisor.com ...........

mine is out for delivery today already from Crutchfield...
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Heads up the 203 is out of stock at crutchfield and they don’t even list the 205 now. The only thing in stock are the rack mounts.
This happened faster than I thought, glad I put my order in for the 205 on Tuesday. Its odd but I feel like the enthusiasts are showing their support by gobbling up the last of their stock but then again doesn't this mean we are rushing the folks at Oppo into early retirement?[IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Yeah me too as soon as heard the news I put my order in with crutchfield and mine has shipped should be getting it at end of day. I figure better just grab it now!

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All the speculation

The fact is nobody outside Oppo knows why they've bailed on the business. Streaming has been around for a long time... (Netflix has been streaming for 11 years). I doubt if not having apps did them in, as just about every TV made offers this feature.

In general, the high-end has been in serious decline for many years and for many reasons. I don't know why the decision was made to drop their video/audiophile businesses, and no one else here does either. It was always a very small sideline for Oppo, as their main business is cellphones.

I've had several Oppo players over the years, and all have been excellent. I have two 203s and one 103 in service now.

I wish Oppo had stayed in the Blu-ray player business, and I hope some other brands will up their game to fill the void. I've had some Samsung and Sony players and frankly they don't meet my needs in terms of build quality or features.
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Yeah I hear ya. I'm fine with BB and Amazon because I purchase 100% of my discs from one or the other. I'm building a collection otherwise I wouldn't buy them. I told the girlfriend I didn't buy the OLED to watch Comcast.. and that's the truth.

If she didn't watch it for her Big Brother and Survivor (lol) I wouldn't even have cable TV. I'm 43 and haven't really been a big cable TV watcher in 30+ years... since the days of Incredible Hulk/Dukes of Hazzard of which I have the box set for both.

Today's TV shows pale in comparison IMO and I'm just more about movies... movies... movies. There's only one show on cable right now I give a rat's about... Air Disasters on Smithsonian Channel. I DVR them and watch at my convenience. Outside of that... not much else.
Sounds like you could cut the cord and go OTA really easily. Yeah, I've found that after some good cable shows went away, all the good stuff is Netflix, HBO, OTA, movies, or features on UHD BD like Planet Earth II.

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I'm just going to point out that you're posting on AVSForum.com, so you're probably both a movie buff *and* a Home Theater enthusiast!
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A decade or so ago disc formats were changing so regularly that I got tired of replacing players and built a HTPC. The advantage of the PC was a low cost software update kept me current. Sometimes I needed a new optical drive but that was never a major purchase. Then content protection came along and software+drive solutions no longer worked. Plus the software needed to recognize each disc as legitimate. So, someone needed to keep up with disc releases authentication. I would say the HTPC has been pretty much killed off. It gets to be a major expense because when the player become obsolete the AVR needs replacing as well. So, my concern is future firmware and software to keep the OPPO functioning for - say 5 years.

3D movies came along and I liked them. Ultra HD is nice but 3D can be more immersive. Now 3D is passing away.

Then there are audio formats in constant flux.

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A decade or so ago disc formats were changing so regularly that I got tired of replacing players and built a HTPC. The advantage of the PC was a low cost software update kept me current. Sometimes I needed a new optical drive but that was never a major purchase. Then content protection came along and software+drive solutions no longer worked. Plus the software needed to recognize each disc as legitimate. So, someone needed to keep up with disc releases authentication. I would say the HTPC has been pretty much killed off. It gets to be a major expense because when the player become obsolete the AVR needs replacing as well. So, my concern is future firmware and software to keep the OPPO functioning for - say 5 years.

3D movies came along and I liked them. Ultra HD is nice but 3D can be more immersive. Now 3D is passing away.

The there are audio formats in constant flux.

Obsolescence is a profit driver for the industry witches. Double bubble, toil and trouble.
I believe 4K UHD Blu-ray is the final variation of physical media, maybe 8K? But these players can play a lot of different formats with is good and have an advantage over laser disc or HD DVD which were here very briefly! The only obsolete format I have and will keep is my super 8 projector, screen and movies! And of course 1 or 2 UHD players until streaming PQ exceeds disc which I think is way down the line, like a decade or at the least 5 years? I could be wrong though!
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Just pulled the trigger on a 203 to join my 93.
Just picked up a LG OLED and need the 4K. Can't imagine buying a mass market player.

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Can't decide if I want to wait and see if more 205 stock becomes available or go ahead grab a 203?
Using an AVR, even the Anthem, grab the 203. The only reason I have a 95 vs a 93 is I use its analog outs with a headphone rig. For an AVR its no guarantee that they create a separate analog path when using RCA connections, and in fact won't if you use any DSP (room correction). Even on pure direct most don't create an analog path, pure direct just cuts off uneeded circuitry like wi-fi, video, etc to reduce noise and in fact may still digitize it and run it through the DAC without applying any DSP.
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I heard the news last year and emailed OPPO, but they denied and confirmed that OPPO Digital would continue to serve in the US for a long time.
Even if the CSR was aware (most likely only a small number of folks at Oppo Digital knew about this until shortly before it was announced), they wouldn't have been allowed to say anything. FYI, the beta test group didn't know until a few minutes before the news was posted publicly.
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How do we know that this is NOT internal management issues and has nothing to do with sales?
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Serves them right. Truth is they've priced themselves out of business by charging more than twice as much as competing Sony and Samsung players. I hear oppo is the best but I doubt it's twice as good as the next best thing. Maybe now I can finally afford one

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