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Can someone explain why this is happening? They are one of the best products I have ever used?
Well, one theory is that the Oppo Digital division makes $$ profits, while the Oppo mobile device division makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$ profits and needs additional manufacturing capacity. Guess which division is going to win in most cases?

But this is also one reason why support will continue for a while - Oppo as a whole is very profitable, so it's not like a company is going bankrupt here. If they want to leave the door open to re-enter this market at some point, it's in their best interest to treat their customers properly and provide support at least through the end of the warranty period for the last product sold.
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So what is our new go to UDP?

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Very sad and unexpected to hear.

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So with the 203 and 205 and HDR10+, is it correct to assume these will never see HDR10+? Is HDR10+ theoretically a firmware only update or is it tied into the HDMI 2.1 spec and would have come to Oppo products only via new players had they not decided to leave that market?

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The demise of Oppo may also bring on the demise of physical UHD disk market. It is after all the quality minded folks (mostly Oppo owners these days) that are willing to pay the premium prices for these discs.
For the rest streaming it is or will be. Price of a new UHD release is about as much as the monthly isp fee.
Who remembers the heated discussions that streaming will never be able to equal CD quality? Then repeated over twice by DVD and later Blu-ray?
Pixel peepers may find a frame to pause on a blu ray ir uhd disc that will show the better quality but for everybody else that watches the video in motion at more than three nose lengths streaming will be more than good enough.


The problem for Oppo is that they saturated their own market with very good players and there is no new format on the horizon that justifies continuous development of a new disc player.
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By the by, folks, OPPO definitely has more 203 players coming in to the US. So they may sell out in the short term, and perhaps even again when the next batch arrives. But there will be more coming in up to at least June.
So now I'm back to hemming and hawing re: whether I should upgrade my 83 to a 203.

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Damn damn damn. Im so hurt. I had planned on getting the 205 with a new tv next year. I just found out today about oppo so I decide to try and get a 205....every sight is already price gouging for it....2000$ and up
ANyone have any idea of anything that can replace it? I wanted to 205 for not only 4k but for the Dac. So any ideas on what I can get to aleast do what the 205 does sound wise for streaming and hi def music?
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So now I'm back to hemming and hawing re: whether I should upgrade my 83 to a 203.

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Damn damn damn. Im so hurt. I had planned on getting the 205 with a new tv next year. I just found out today about oppo so I decide to try and get a 205....every sight is already price gouging for it....2000$ and up

ANyone have any idea of anything that can replace it? I wanted to 205 for not only 4k but for the Dac. So any ideas on what I can get to aleast do what the 205 does sound wise for streaming and hi def music?

Me too...some 205s selling on eBay for insane prices.


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I really don't get it. Considering how they are selling like hotcakes since the announcement, you would think they would manufacture another batch of both units. They are leaving a lot of money on the table. The 205 is now gone from Audio Advisor and Value Electronics websites. Glad I ordered one this morning from VE (hopefully my order won't get cancelled).
Since they have to order 10K+ of the components at a time to manufacture I don't see that happening.
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If anyone is looking for a 205 try contacting your local Magnolia Home Theater store that is located in select Best Buy stores. I called the direct number for the local MHT in Portsmouth, NH and was able to order a 205. The store had none in stock as it will be shipped from the regional warehouse to the store. I believe MHT will ship as well.

Do not call Best Buy direct or look on the Best Buy website as no Oppo products are listed. The salesperson at MHT was great and went out his way to assure me that the 205 was actually in stock and that I would get one. But he was aware that Oppo is stopping production and mentioned that Oppo players are selling briskly. So if anyone has any issues with their local MHT store call the Portsmouth, NH store and ask for Jesse. I get no commission on this just suggesting him as he was very helpful and professional.

*I hope that the wrong people don't see this and order all remaining stock of 205s just to flip them *

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I've even noticed original equipment Oppo remotes going for $98.... If needed I would probably pay it but considering Oppo would ship you a new one for free even several years after you had purchased the player is yet just another indication of the cold, harsh world we are about to move into.
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The demise of Oppo may also bring on the demise of physical UHD disk market. It is after all the quality minded folks (mostly Oppo owners these days) that are willing to pay the premium prices for these discs.
For the rest streaming it is or will be. Price of a new UHD release is about as much as the monthly isp fee.
I LOL'ed.... really?

I guess I'm in the minority then because I've bought 60+ UHD discs in 2 months of OLED ownership... and I've got the LG 970 player because I didn't feel the Oppo 203 was worth 3 times the cost. $100 or so I'd probably have got it... but $179 vs $559 I didn't see the value. I didn't need anything but a BR player and could give a rats about all the extra features on the Oppo that most people including myself just don't care about.

The extra money is (and was) better spent on UHD discs.

With nearly $5B in annual sales (according to someone's chart posted upthread) I doubt physical media is going away in the near future. That's still a ton of cash the studios are gonna keep milking as long as they can.

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Damn damn damn. Im so hurt. I had planned on getting the 205 with a new tv next year. I just found out today about oppo so I decide to try and get a 205....every sight is already price gouging for it....2000$ and up
ANyone have any idea of anything that can replace it? I wanted to 205 for not only 4k but for the Dac. So any ideas on what I can get to aleast do what the 205 does sound wise for streaming and hi def music?
Go a step down and try to find a 203 or wait til the fall of this year when the Panasonic 9000 comes out? Assuming it gets released in North America?

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I LOL'ed.... really?

I guess I'm in the minority then because I've bought 60+ UHD discs in 2 months of OLED ownership... and I've got the LG 970 player because I didn't feel the Oppo 203 was worth 3 times the cost. $100 or so I'd probably have got it... but $179 vs $559 I didn't see the value. I didn't need anything but a BR player and could give a rats about all the extra features on the Oppo that most people including myself just don't care about.

The extra money is (and was) better spent on UHD discs.

With nearly $5B in annual sales (according to someone's chart posted upthread) I doubt physical media is going away in the near future. That's still a ton of cash the studios are gonna keep milking as long as they can.

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I haven't spent 1 nickel on digital purchases outside of a Netflix sub that I stream some TV shows off of. When I want a movie, I buy the disc.
If you take a long term view the OPPO may be the cheapest player. Oppo anticipates where technology is headed and uses quality parts combined with firmware and software fixes to keep their players updated. As an example for dolby vision discs I use the OPPO audio decoder and pass audio through my Yamaha AVR which I now use for amplification and not decoding. A long lasting component also saves the time needed to find and replace and set up an out of date player. As a bonus I get few glitches and reliable quality.

However, I recognize that new innovations may render the OPPO obsolete and invalidate my argument.
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The demise of Oppo may also bring on the demise of physical UHD disk market. It is after all the quality minded folks (mostly Oppo owners these days) that are willing to pay the premium prices for these discs.
For the rest streaming it is or will be. Price of a new UHD release is about as much as the monthly isp fee.
Let's not be so arrogant as to think that HT geeks are supporting the entire UHD BD market globally. That's insane. Most of the market is people who love movies and have a collection, or who are giving gifts, or buying used, swapping with friends, etc, etc. HT geeks are a tiny part of the market, and the HT geeks on this forum who claim that streaming can't equal BD or UHD BD are an even smaller minority. The biggest issue I've had with streaming is not that 1080p streaming can't match BD quality, it in fact can, at least for a normalish sized flat panel display, but rather that the encodes are inconsistent, with some looking amazing, and others looking rather lousy.
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Let's not be so arrogant as to think that HT geeks are supporting the entire UHD BD market globally. That's insane. Most of the market is people who love movies and have a collection, or who are giving gifts, or buying used, swapping with friends, etc, etc. HT geeks are a tiny part of the market, and the HT geeks on this forum who claim that streaming can't equal BD or UHD BD are an even smaller minority. The biggest issue I've had with streaming is not that 1080p streaming can't match BD quality, it in fact can, at least for a normalish sized flat panel display, but rather that the encodes are inconsistent, with some looking amazing, and others looking rather lousy.
Especially for the projector crowd on 100-inch-plus screens, there is a significant difference in picture quality, and even more so in sound quality, from streaming to disc. That's where my concern lies.

Granted, one day, streaming will improve like everything else, and we'll be able to get Dolby Vision, Atmos, and 8K all within a stream. But we're still waiting to get NFL football to broadcast beyond 720p/1080i, so who knows?
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Hi Folks,

Like most of you I was shocked to hear this news. I have been thinking of upgrading to an OPPO for years but the cost has always been a factor holding me back. However with this news and my pending retirement I am considering grabbing a 203.

I’m not sure my current set up will allow me to maximise all the benefits (and cost) of the 203.

Hopefully my questions don’t violate forum thread rules- if so I apoligise.

So, I was wondering if I could detail what I have and have someone advise if it’s worth the plunge. My wife is not near as understanding as many others have commented on in this forum so before I invest over $700 on (in her eyes) a new blu ray player I want to make sure I get to use most of the benefits of the 203. I’m also not ready to invest in a new AVR just to make sure my Blu Ray works.

I don’t have 4K, nor Atmos yet. My TV is Panasonic VT 60 65”, my 5.1 AVR is Yamaha HTR-6063 (in the US its known as RX-V667), my current interface is a SONY BDP S590, WDTV LIVE, and Android Kodi Box all hooked to the AVR via HDMI. My media is mostly Hard copy Disc Blu Ray Concerts, Blu Ray Audio, some sacd and many digital files from a WD My Cloud Mirror HD Ethernet connected to network with DTS, DSD, Flac, audio and concert files played mainly via the WDTV live. I also have some older content on DVD that I hear the 203 will upscale nicely. I really prefer 5.1 surround sound vs 2.0 stereo.

Most of my current hardware is connected to the AVR via HDMI. If I have this right, the salesman didn’t think my AVR had multichannel inputs therefore setting up the 203 via HDMI would work. I don’t know enough about this topic to understand whether he’s right and whether I’d be over buying with the 203 when paired with the current AVR.

My goal is to utilise what I have and use the 203 to enhance and get the best sound/video I possibly can.

With pairing the 203 with my Yamaha 6063 allow me to get better sound and maximise the 203 DAC? Any comments on the best way to cable the 203 to the Yamaha AVR ?
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I LOL'ed.... really?

I guess I'm in the minority then because I've bought 60+ UHD discs in 2 months of OLED ownership... and I've got the LG 970 player because I didn't feel the Oppo 203 was worth 3 times the cost. $100 or so I'd probably have got it... but $179 vs $559 I didn't see the value. I didn't need anything but a BR player and could give a rats about all the extra features on the Oppo that most people including myself just don't care about.

The extra money is (and was) better spent on UHD discs.

With nearly $5B in annual sales (according to someone's chart posted upthread) I doubt physical media is going away in the near future. That's still a ton of cash the studios are gonna keep milking as long as they can.

P.S.

I haven't spent 1 nickel on digital purchases outside of a Netflix sub that I stream some TV shows off of. When I want a movie, I buy the disc.
Totally agree here. Just because we didnt spring for the $550 UHD player doesnt mean we dont care about PQ. C'mon, thats so stupid to even say. The very fact that we bought premium TVs and DO own & continue to buy a large number of physical discs should prove that. Too many "all or nothing" attitudes here. You either have $100K tied up in your system or you dont care about quality! Geesh, get over yourselves.

As for physical media? I believe there is a good sized market for discs and it will remain alive and well for a while. That being said, I dont think 8K will become that common. I can totally see 4K/UHD being the final physical format that will get adopted at a reasonable rate. If thats the case then I hope they make it/keep making it the best it can be.

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If you take a long term view the OPPO may be the cheapest player. Oppo anticipates where technology is headed and uses quality parts combined with firmware and software fixes to keep their players updated. As an example for dolby vision discs I use the OPPO audio decoder and pass audio through my Yamaha AVR which I now use for amplification and not decoding. A long lasting component also saves the time needed to find and replace and set up an out of date player. As a bonus I get few glitches and reliable quality.

However, I recognize that new innovations may render to OPPO obsolete and invalidate my argument.
This is a fair assessment. Longevity is a concern and updates are also a big thing with electronics these days. I have found that even my entry-level player does keep getting updates and still plays every disc I throw at it. That may not be true in 6 monhs or whatever but I think products are better "overall" tha they used to be. So, the "lower-tier" products are just as good as mid-tier products were say like 5-6 years ago. Mid-tier products are better too, etc, etc.

Advanacements, and how fast they happen are what could invalidate all of this. Or, more importantly - incompatibilities will render a lot of gear outdated well beofre its physically broken. HDMI changes, new audio codecs, HDR updates, blah, blah blah. It never ends!
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Hi Folks,

Like most of you I was shocked to hear this news. I have been thinking of upgrading to an OPPO for years but the cost has always been a factor holding me back. However with this news and my pending retirement I am considering grabbing a 203.

I’m not sure my current set up will allow me to maximise all the benefits (and cost) of the 203.

Hopefully my questions don’t violate forum thread rules- if so I apoligise.

So, I was wondering if I could detail what I have and have someone advise if it’s worth the plunge. My wife is not near as understanding as many others have commented on in this forum so before I invest over $700 on (in her eyes) a new blu ray player I want to make sure I get to use most of the benefits of the 203. I’m also not ready to invest in a new AVR just to make sure my Blu Ray works.

I don’t have 4K, nor Atmos yet. My TV is Panasonic VT 60 65”, my 5.1 AVR is Yamaha HTR-6063 (in the US its known as RX-V667), my current interface is a SONY BDP S590, WDTV LIVE, and Android Kodi Box all hooked to the AVR via HDMI. My media is mostly Hard copy Disc Blu Ray Concerts, Blu Ray Audio, some sacd and many digital files from a WD My Cloud Mirror HD Ethernet connected to network with DTS, DSD, Flac, audio and concert files played mainly via the WDTV live. I also have some older content on DVD that I hear the 203 will upscale nicely. I really prefer 5.1 surround sound vs 2.0 stereo.

Most of my current hardware is connected to the AVR via HDMI. If I have this right, the salesman didn’t think my AVR had multichannel inputs therefore setting up the 203 via HDMI would work. I don’t know enough about this topic to understand whether he’s right and whether I’d be over buying with the 203 when paired with the current AVR.

My goal is to utilise what I have and use the 203 to enhance and get the best sound/video I possibly can.

With pairing the 203 with my Yamaha 6063 allow me to get better sound and maximise the 203 DAC? Any comments on the best way to cable the 203 to the Yamaha AVR ?

After a quick GIS of your AVR, it does not appear to have multi-channel analog inputs. It only decodes DTS-ES, and DVD surround sound formats.. So unfortunately it doesn't appear that you would be able to fully appreciate what the 203 could do with your receiver. At least as far as DTS:MA, Dolby TrueHD, and the bluray and beyond surround sound formats. You could still likely enjoy multi-channel audio via the HDMI inputs on your AVR. Which will bypass any internal processing within the 203. Which again, may defeat the purpose of buying the 203.


Now, if you have plans to upgrade your AVR in the future..
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As for physical media? I believe there is a good sized market for discs and it will remain alive and well for a while. That being said, I dont think 8K will become that common. I can totally see 4K/UHD being the final physical format that will ge adopted at a reasonable rate. If thats the case then I hope they make it the best it can be.
Heck, 181,547 people bought a Geostorm blu-ray + another 174,914 bought a DVD. The physical disc market will survive the demise of a niche manufacturer like Oppo.
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I had not planned to get my 4K Oppo player yet but this news has changed that. I was going to go with one of the popular online retailers but their stock wasn't to be filled again until two weeks out. That was just way too far out for this uncertain future. I paid more than I should have but I did not want to risk losing out so I went with Oppo direct.

This news is very sad but not too surprising. I anticipated the 203 as being my last high end player for many years to come anyway given my declining interest. My priorities have changed, unfortunately. I still enjoy home theater but not nearly as much as I used to.
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I’m amazed at what the 3rd party market is trying to get for the 203 and especially the 205 right now! You would really have to want one to pay that kind of $$$$ it’s insane! I’m lucky to have grabbed one of the last 203’s! I could have gotten a 205 but I think even paying the normal price is over kill for me personally. I really just purchased the 203 out of reputation, DV future use and its going the way of the Do-Do bird I didn’t really need it! I have 2 other players already Sony and Panasonic and still may get the Panny 9000 later on lol? I may sell my Sony? This hobby is a sickness lol😂

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Right, a regular blu ray is $19.99 and the same movie in UHD on iTunes is $19.99. For the average customer it's an easy choice.
The easy choice is the UHD BD. Then I get the physical disc and the digital streaming rights too. I have over 180 UHD BD titles now. My average cost per title is just under $20. No need to pay close to $30 for the titles. I get them on sale or price match later when on sale since I get 45 days at Best Buy to price match after purchase.

I'm still thinking about pulling the trigger on a 203. Not sure though since I'm not sure how much of a benefit I would see in my setup over my Sony x800. I dumped analog connections around twelve years ago so the better DACs in it are not a selling point for my use.
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Right, a regular blu ray is $19.99 and the same movie in UHD on iTunes is $19.99. For the average customer it's an easy choice.
The easy choice is the UHD BD. Then I get the physical disc and the digital streaming rights too. I have over 180 UHD BD titles now. My average cost per title is just under $20. No need to pay close to $30 for the titles. I get them on sale or price match later when on sale since I get 45 days at Best Buy to price match after purchase.

I'm still thinking about pulling the trigger on a 203. Not sure though since I'm not sure how much of a benefit I would see in my setup over my Sony x800. I dumped analog connections around twelve years ago so the better DACs in it are not a selling point for my use.
I’m looking at it this way too, if your a Sony TV DV owner or plan to be in the near future the Oppo and Sony 700 are only ones that will work with the low latency DV profile (assuming Oppo keeps their promise on releasing the update) so far! I can’t see your signature on my phone but I think I remember you post in the Sony tv forums? And who knows what actually looks better DV or HDR10 but it’s nice to have options in my opinion.

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