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Huh ? From your posts it seems like your mind is made up already. What's the rush if you already have a UHD player?

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I don't have a UHD player, using a bdp 95 but I also don't currently need one. Trying to decide whether to go with one of these Oppos just to have one before not available or go with the Panny's.

Part of the problem is there is so much conflicting info and with the uncertain support future of Oppo its hard to make a decision I'd be confident in. Plus a lot of people focus on things like the Oppo analog outs, dac, etc,, - I don't care about these things at all, have other stuff I use for this. Just UHD/BD/DVD video quality and featureset related to playback of those formats.
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I am so bummed...



I had FINALLY started my AV upgrade this past summer and set my sights on an Oppo 203 as one of my next purchases. Now what?



My BD player is a [email protected] Walmart special and my Onkyo CD carrossel is dying so I was hoping to consolidate into a GOOD universal disk player that I could count on for years...I'd even started buying the 4K UHD/DV versions of my favorite movies in anticipation of the ongoing upgrades.



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Most guys who own Oppos would never consider streaming. Best PQ and AQ is number one to us and NetFlix doesn't cut it. Sorry dude.
That doesn't take into account those who want to see Netflix and Amazon original content. I hesitated to buy a 205 specifically because it was so stripped down, hardware and software-wise, while being far more expensive than my 103. Granted, smart TVs have plenty of apps, but my 103 is part of my projector and surround sound system. Oppo should have taken that into account--that we tend to not own "smart projectors" and I'm not interested in buying any "sticks" to insert into my projector's MHL port.

I ended up buying a cheapo $75 4K player for my 4K tv (separate surround setup for PC) since that tv has apps and therefore, handles my internet and local network streaming. Oppo really left me no option for 4K. It's probably for the best, since they're going to cease production and eventually, support anyways.
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Not surprised. With Best Buy dropping CDs, can Bluray be far behind? Technology moves on.
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My 203 had stopped playing SACD discs. Everything else works fine. I had sent them a support request a couple weeks back and hadn’t heard back. So this sucks. I do have a Sony uhd player that plays SACD fine but it’s being used in another room.
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^ The HDMI Input does not support Dolby Vision in current firmware. You will get HDR10 instead.
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Which is more popular and supported by current UHD content makers, HDR10 or DV? If the former, then nothing to worry about. If the latter, then will we get blank video for DV video on the HDMI input?

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well when I compare streaming, im not impressed at all...tidal is ok with some tracks...i always use the cannons from 1812...the range of good/bad/horrible is huge...

when it comes to video...cable/satellite is bad

when I stream from my own collection of flac is pretty good...have no idea on video as I dont roll my own...but like i said earlier xfinity is bad.

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Which is more popular and supported by current UHD content makers, HDR10 or DV? If the former, then nothing to worry about. If the latter, then will we get blank video for DV video on the HDMI input?
You will get HDR10 as I just said.
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I don't have a UHD player, using a bdp 95 but I also don't currently need one. Trying to decide whether to go with one of these Oppos just to have one before not available or go with the Panny's.

Part of the problem is there is so much conflicting info and with the uncertain support future of Oppo its hard to make a decision I'd be confident in. Plus a lot of people focus on things like the Oppo analog outs, dac, etc,, - I don't care about these things at all, have other stuff I use for this. Just UHD/BD/DVD video quality and featureset related to playback of those formats.
If you're in the camp who view DACs as a trivial feature aspect (me) or conversely, you're in the camp who do think they matter a lot, but simply finds that the Oppo is inferior or at least nothing to write home about (you), and, you don't own many/if any SACDs/DVD-As (you, correct?), then I think the answer is fairly obvious. Look elsewhere or stick with what you have.

Sure, the long-term value of these players may go up. Or they may not. Too much of a gamble to use future value speculation as one of your purchase determining factors. For the people who find the Oppo represents an excellent value for their needs/beliefs, then even if the shorter and longer term $$ value isn't sustained, well, they'll still have a player which brings them value regardless.
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You will get HDR10 as I just said.
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Its able to convert DV into HDR10?

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Its able to convert DV into HDR10?
DV is basically a superset of HDR10. If you play a DV disc on an HDR-but-non-DV display, you get HDR10. The Oppo isn't doing anything special here.
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If you're in the camp who viewDACs as a trivial feature aspect (me) or conversely, you're in the camp who do think they matter a lot, but simply finds that the Oppo is inferior or at least nothing to write home about (you)
Yep this is accurate. And in addition in being not the best IMO I like things separate more than all-in-one so I can upgrade pieces like DAC, HPA, etc, as new stuff comes out. Like for example even if you think the Oppo headphone amp is great it still can't do what a Phonitor X can do.

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, you don't own many/if any SACDs/DVD-As (you, correct?)
Yep, basically none. Although I do have a few old school PCM DTS CDs, I never invested in SACD/DVD-A first due to the format war, later due to DRM (pain to rip), and finally because I feel both were superceded by BD for multichannel (like my Pink Floyd DSOTM BD) and hires PCM/DoP digital files for stereo. And in most cases I actually feel a plain old 16bit/44.1khz file fed to a killer DAC (or vinyl fed to killer cart/phono pre for that matter) can provide awesome sound, moreso than a DSD file fed to a lesser DAC. So I really have basically zero of these discs.

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then I think the answer is fairly obvious. Look elsewhere or stick with what you have.
Yeah that's why I haven't bought anything and am procrastinating. I did impulse order a couple of 203s out of "comfort" of something that would be like my current BDP95, but then I cancelled that order within an hour because I wasn't confident in the decision.

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Sure, the long-term value of these players may go up. Or they may not. Too much of a gamble to use future value speculation as one of your purchase determining factors. For the people who find the Oppo represents an excellent value for their needs/beliefs, then even if the shorter and longer term $$ value isn't sustained, well, they'll still have a player which brings them value regardless.
This was a really helpful post, and I guess my scenario boils down to debating whether Panasonic/Sony will take the torch and fill in some of the missing gaps of their players important to playback while also evolving UHD technology. I have a literal mountain of BDs so I want to have the best experience for those BDs.

At this point i'm like 75% keep the BDP95 and add the UB9000 or future model, but am still not completely out of the 203 mindset either. The thing that is spooking me with the 203 is, aside from Oppo support waning, way too many reports of disc playback problems (freezing, stuttering, etc - on the 203, 205, Cambridge, etc - all of these players that use the same core Oppo design) with discs users report play "fine" on the Panasonic; reeks of 1st gen ROM drive issues like the Pioneer BDP-51FD I owned also had.

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This is such a bummer but not really surprising. DVD sales were the pinnacle for physical media and UHD Blu-Ray will be a fraction of what DVD once was. It will be hard to market and sell quality physical disk players when most people are buying very cheap streaming devices, or using integrated apps in their TV's.

I pre ordered my 203 and was one of the first buyers to receive one and will continue to enjoy it for years to come.
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Its able to convert DV into HDR10?
The source device on the HDMI input would be doing the "converting".

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I just unboxed my 203 (very impressed by the way it was packed) and watched Thor Ragnarok on UHD it PQ was spectacular but it was also pretty much the same experience I had when I watched on my panny900 wish I could compare side by side. The disc did not play flawlessly though it froze at one point and pixilated. Disc had fingerprints on it so I cleaned and the same scene played fine I had played twice with panny b4 so it was handled. I’m sure 203 is fine. Have not watched a complete movie yet just testing a few movies first. I did put in my atmos demo disc in and the PQ was phenomenal for blue ray. I have set on auto. Basically I’m going to use it for just Dolby Vision when I upgrade my tv and maybe just standard Blu-ray. I still love my panny 900.

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Too bad Pioneer is not the same like they were back in 2009 and before. Not sure who can take over once OPPO is gone for good. Seems most stuff is cheap and sub $100 today. I still use a Pioneer Elite DV59 AVI i paid $1200 for back in 2004. Never missed a beat as well as my Elite 05 FD and non Elite 51FD BD players. I had a OPPO 83 go bad and sent it to be fixed and then it went bad again 1.5 years later. My other 83 and 103 have been fine.

They just don't make stuff like they used to. Kinda like VCR's got cheap near the end.
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I just inboxed my 203 (very impressed by the way it was packed) and watched Thor Ragnarok on UHD it PQ was spectacular but it was also pretty much the same experience I had when I watched on my panny900 wish I could compare side by side. The disc did not play flawlessly though it froze at one point and pixilated. Disc had fingerprints on it so I cleaned and the same scene played fine I had played twice with panny b4 so it was handled. I’m sure 203 is fine. Have not watched a complete movie yet just testing a few movies first. I did put in my atmos demo disc in and the PQ was phenomenal for blue ray. I have set on auto. Basically I’m going to use it for just Dolby Vision when I upgrade my tv and maybe just standard Blu-ray. I still love my panny 900.
The picture quality between those 2 is so close that you will hardly be able to tell them apart, the sound however is what closes the deal with OPPO
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Oppo to stop production? This is not a joke.

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The picture quality between those 2 is so close that you will hardly be able to tell them apart, the sound however is what closes the deal with OPPO

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I wonder how some people on this thread get up in the morning.
So many probabilities not to mention possibilities...

 
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I’m biased towards the OPPO. 205 however is in a different league
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The picture quality between those 2 is so close that you will hardly be able to tell them apart, the sound however is what closes the deal with OPPO
How does the OPPO 203 improve "the sound" being sent out over the HDMI cable?

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The picture quality between those 2 is so close that you will hardly be able to tell them apart, the sound however is what closes the deal with OPPO [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

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I’d say the 203 is superior to the 900 in that regard. 203 is heavier and seems sturdier.
The 900 does need seem cheap though but there is more plastic and is much lighter but it’s not loud as far as disc play. I have the Sony 800 too and it’s built sturdy like the Oppo but has much lower profile.

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The Panasonic 9000 will have similar build quality to both the 203 and 205 and have similar audio features supposedly

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That doesn't take into account those who want to see Netflix and Amazon original content. I hesitated to buy a 205 specifically because it was so stripped down, hardware and software-wise, while being far more expensive than my 103. Granted, smart TVs have plenty of apps, but my 103 is part of my projector and surround sound system. Oppo should have taken that into account--that we tend to not own "smart projectors" and I'm not interested in buying any "sticks" to insert into my projector's MHL port.

I ended up buying a cheapo $75 4K player for my 4K tv (separate surround setup for PC) since that tv has apps and therefore, handles my internet and local network streaming. Oppo really left me no option for 4K. It's probably for the best, since they're going to cease production and eventually, support anyways.
That was a not the right decision. To not buy a fantastic machine that will make your discs (off all formats) shine, because it doesn’t have a Netflix app, is just bad.
Streaming apps have the best interface on streaming devices, not on TVs and not on BD players.

But to each it’s own
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The Panasonic 9000 will have similar build quality to both the 203 and 205 and have similar audio features supposedly
The ub9000 is relatively certain what I am getting as long as Panasonic adds aspect ratio control, which the ub900 lacked. It does look quite awesome from a build quality perspective and I like the anti vibration rom drive.
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How does the OPPO 203 improve "the sound" being sent out over the HDMI cable?
Sorry, I was speaking of analog outs.
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Sorry, I was speaking of analog outs.
Since bobbino421 specifically mentioned using an Atmos demo disc to demo the OPPO, he's presumably using HDMI and not the analog outs.

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The Panasonic 9000 will have similar build quality to both the 203 and 205 and have similar audio features supposedly
“supposedly” is the keyword. Need to wait and see what it sounds like and what features, such as power supply; HDMI clock and etc...

In either case, it’s epic to have the last OPPO player...
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I just put in my order for a 203 from Oppo. The website says not to expect it any time soon because of high demand.

I can't believe Amazon has it for $1100 from somebody. It is still $549 from Oppo.
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