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I almost thought so. Today was the day we were scheduled to pick up our PREPAID Oppo UDP-205 at our local Best Buy Design Center. Ordered last Sunday, was told 10 are in the warehouse. Called today just to find out they gave it away meaning they kept them for themselves. Nice job Best Buy! I guess I can find my player now on Ebay - 4k player for 4k … I know who the sellers are
That totally sucks ! Definitely sign up at Oppo for the 205 "Potential Availability" in June. To see posts like this and then see how others have bought up multiple 205s and actually post pictures rubbing it in fellow members faces .

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Absolutely. When my friend looked up the model on the inventory/sales page it was clear that they oversold what they had in stock. The thing to remember is that salespeople were very likely not aware of Oppo's announcement at the time and the stock response to selling an item not in local stock is that they'll be getting more in. In other words, they were not aware at the time that what they had was all they'll get.

My guess is that BB went with a sales date logic in that South Park's purchase went to someone who had ordered the 205 before he did. To blame BB for an unscrupulous act seem to come from anger rather than some calm logic.
At time of order the sales person was fair and asked me if I knew what is going on with Oppo, I even mentioned this in my initial post. So you are wrong, he was aware.
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After sitting on the fence for months, I finally pulled the trigger on a 203 from Crutchfield earlier this week. I had a $100 gift card from them from their rewards program, so it dropped the price enough for me to go for it. They are back ordered until 4/30. I checked this morning and now the site says they are only allowing one order per household.
I totally respect Crutchfield's policy on limiting sales of the 203. Hopefully Oppo will limit sales of the 205 as well if they do extend production.
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At time of order the sales person was fair and asked me if I knew what is going on with Oppo, I even mentioned this in my initial post. So you are wrong, he was aware.
The salesman that I bought my 205 from at Magnolia was also aware that Oppo was possibly stopping production. I called another Magnolia store and that salesman told me the same thing. So the Magnolia sales force was well aware of the situation with Oppo.

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I totally respect Crutchfield's policy on limiting sales of the 203. Hopefully Oppo will limit sales of the 205 as well if they do extend production.

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It is America. Why not just make more of them and may be increase price instead of trying controlling price or restricting sales - reminds me how it was done in Soviet Union.

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At time of order the sales person was fair and asked me if I knew what is going on with Oppo, I even mentioned this in my initial post. So you are wrong, he was aware.
It still doesn't invalidate the idea that they oversold thinking they were getting more. And it may have been a different location that oversold and ended up with your unit instead of it going to where your purchase was made, the error may have been made at the distribution center, maybe they weren't aware of what was happening with Oppo.

Have you talked to your salesperson about? To blame a BB employee(s) without anything more than disappointment on your end seems to be an overreaction.
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It is America. Why not just make more of them and may be increase price instead of trying controlling price or restricting sales - reminds me how it was done in Soviet Union.
You are right in that it is America. So that gives Crutchfield the right to set the policy of limiting one 203 per customer. To make a comparison to Crutchfield's policy to the Soviet Union is a complete joke .

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Probably an employee bought it themselves ... maybe even with an employee discount ... and plans to scalp it. Well, you know, anyone who will pay some stupid high price can’t be living paycheck to paycheck. Or so I’ve read.
Could a Best Buy employee even get away with such a thing? The shipments coming in would have to be allocated to the orders being placed first and the rest to stock. Hopefully they didn't have South Park make a trip to the store to pick up his player before informing him of the bad news. If so, then they should give him some compensation like a $30 gift card or something, because they would have to have known about it in advance if it was due to over-ordering.
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I have a simple solution to stream 4K at 100% fidelity. I buy the 4K HDR blu-ray and rip it bit for bit to my digital library on my media server. I can then stream it as much as I want with my HCPC at 100% bit to bit accuracy using my JRiver Media Center. Using Plex, I can stream from remote locations directly to my device of choice. As much as my broadband can handle outbound (200Mbps upload) of course. I can always use the disc if I want to, load the digital version (mkv/mp4) of the movie onto portable storage to watch anywhere or stream it. And I own the original source. Since I went 100% pure digital, I haven't even turned on my Oppo. My Cinema experience is multitudes better and more seamless as a result.
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Probably an employee bought it themselves ... maybe even with an employee discount ... and plans to scalp it. Well, you know, anyone who will pay some stupid high price can’t be living paycheck to paycheck. Or so I’ve read. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif[/IMG]
Could a Best Buy employee even get away with such a thing? The shipments coming in would have to be allocated to the orders being placed first and the rest to stock. Hopefully they didn't have South Park make a trip to the store to pick up his player before informing him of the bad news. If so, then they should give him some compensation like a $30 gift card or something, because they would have to have known about it in advance if it was due to over-ordering.
They could have gone back into the system and cancel the order and refund the customer. Anything could happen. It would be customer word against their’s or they could have said the was a glitch in system? I almost walked out of a store yesterday to pick up an order but they could not find the product but the girl was nice and did some detective work and found my product cause it was in the wrong spot? So basically they could say anything in the store! it was misplaced and so on and accidentally sold to someone else because it was miss allocated.

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We are just riffing and venting. Of course no BB employee would ever do what is being discussed. I’m sure it was all a mistake.

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We are just riffing and venting. Of course no BB employee would ever do what is being discussed. I’m sure it was all a mistake.

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You mean buy one of the players that came in, that are all being allocated to orders? If they can do that, then that's a bad system they have. There should be checks to make sure that doesn't happen. In any event, I think it's far more likely that they just oversold their inventory. I was fortunate to get a 205 from BB, ordering Friday and picking up Tuesday. I asked if they were any left to order on Tuesday he said there were 10 or so. So it would appear their inventory quantity was simply wrong.

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You mean buy one of the players that came in, that are all being allocated to orders? If they can do that, then that's a bad system they have. There should be checks to make sure that doesn't happen. In any event, I think it's far more likely that they just oversold their inventory. I was fortunate to get a 205 from BB, ordering Friday and picking up Tuesday. I asked if they were any left to order on Tuesday he said there were 10 or so. So it would appear their inventory quantity was simply wrong.
Best Buy has always had a terrible system for keeping track of inventory.

Many times I would check online to see if a given store had the item in stock for a pick up only to get there and be told that wasn't the case.

It's a big reason I've stopped shopping there and even stopped thinking of them as a potential source.
Just been burned too many times in the past.

I wouldn't be so quick to ascribe to venality what could be explained by sheer incompetence.
Especially when there is a track record of the latter.
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I wouldn't be so quick to ascribe to venality what could be explained by sheer incompetence.
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They could have gone back into the system and cancel the order and refund the customer. Anything could happen. It would be customer word against their’s or they could have said the was a glitch in system? I almost walked out of a store yesterday to pick up an order but they could not find the product but the girl was nice and did some detective work and found my product cause it was in the wrong spot? So basically they could say anything in the store! it was misplaced and so on and accidentally sold to someone else because it was miss allocated.
If an employee bought if for themselves and cancelled buyers order and refunded all Best Buy can do is fire the employee. Customers should always, always come first so if someone did do this yes they should be fired. It's bad for Best Buy to have employee's who don't care about the customers experience or feelings, just theirs.
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If an employee bought if for themselves and cancelled buyers order and refunded all Best Buy can do is fire the employee.
Would they even know if it were a manager?

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Absolutely. When my friend looked up the model on the inventory/sales page it was clear that they oversold what they had in stock. The thing to remember is that salespeople were very likely not aware of Oppo's announcement at the time and the stock response to selling an item not in local stock is that they'll be getting more in. In other words, they were not aware at the time that what they had was all they'll get.

My guess is that BB went with a sales date logic in that South Park's purchase went to someone who had ordered the 205 before he did. To blame BB for an unscrupulous act seem to come from anger rather than some calm logic.
Yes, this is probably what most likely happened. Best Buy oversold orders of the 205 thinking stock will be replenished by a certain date. Crutchfield before they listed the 205 as not available had April 19th as expected date of stock. This is probably what happened with Best Buy and now all customers orders are being refunded because they over sold what stock they did have due to high demand. Best Buy rarely takes orders of items that are not available but they were most likely not aware the Oppo 205 is no longer being produced at the moment. That's not to say a few didn't pop up and perhaps some employee's got selfish it's human nature but customer should always come first in the event any rumors like that are true.
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After sitting on the fence for months, I finally pulled the trigger on a 203 from Crutchfield earlier this week. I had a $100 gift card from them from their rewards program, so it dropped the price enough for me to go for it. They are back ordered until 4/30. I checked this morning and now the site says they are only allowing one order per household.
I had an order for the 203 from Crutchfield. But then got a little nervous when they told me I probably would get one of the in-coming units but it wasn't guaranteed. So I called V.E. and spoke to Robert Z. I ordered the unit at 12 noon and it was on the doorstep by 10 am the next day (I live in CT). I would also add that it was doubled boxed, with free shipping and $10 cheaper than CF! Just my 2 cents.
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The MDC (Magnolia Design Center) is just another bad business inside yet another bad business (Best Buy). Real-time Qty on-hand vs Allocated vs Sold are profound high tech concepts to them and should be taken with a grain of salt.

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Would they even know if it were a manager?
Most likely not and this scenario is even worse, lol.
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I thought the 203 was in short supply or not even available? I see Amazon has them for 559 plus 18 shipping. Directly from Oppo digital.

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I really wouldn't worry too much about extended warranty -- I've run the heck out of three Oppos over the years and have never had anything that a reboot didn't fix quickly.

Oppo buys its transports -- not much there to get excited or proprietory about. IMHO what makes Oppos exceptional is the video processing and the attention given to the audio section design and execution. The PQ is great, the sound is good. That doesn't just happen. That old 83SE is one of the best stereo sources I've ever heard.

For much less cost that launching a new player Oppo can package what it does best and sell them as stand alones. Use a streaming source, let Oppo processing make the most of it and enjoy. Upgrade becomes a matter of firmware. No moving parts removes a lot that can go wrong. No years of drama over future disc formats that may well never emerge. And by sticking to processing they stay above an already crowded streamer market. I had first thought streamers was the way for them to go, but that space is crowded and the true Golden Eyes that I know are very dedicated to their discs.

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Oppo can repackage what it is already doing well and people will buy it. At least I will.

I've never run the video through my AVRs -- one hdmi carries audio to the AVR, the other goes from the Oppo to the projector. The better PQ for doing so is evident and undeniable.

So Oppo has a chance to stand tall and keep the legend alive. It will be interesting to see how long they keep shipping players. They need to emerge with new products before their fans begin looking elsewhere for solutions. A customer lost that way is hard to get back. All of the heavy lifting is done, they might as well move some units.

The wife is being difficult about the 205 -- I may just have to 'accidentally' order one.
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I got a call from the Magnolia salesman that I bought my 205 from. He was checking to see how the 205 was working out and to let me know that there were no 205s left in the Best Buy system. Certainly not anything that wasn't already known. Personally in the years I've dealt with Best Buy there has been minimal issues as far as items not being in stock when they were supposed to be.

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I thought the 203 was in short supply or not even available? I see Amazon has them for 559 plus 18 shipping. Directly from Oppo digital.

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Most likely not and this scenario is even worse, lol.

I’m sure there’s a way look up the last several 205 purchase to find a name, assuming they paid by credit card, and cross reference that with employees.


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You're wrong, it is the only logical explanation they keep it for themselves. You cannot accept an order for something you don't have or cannot offer. It is as simple as this.
Nonsense.

Businesses can take orders for units they expect to receive; businesses in fact pointedly do that when they take preorders.

It's much more likely the computer was wrong; I can't tell you how many times I have gone to a Best Buy because their computer said they had something (even multiple copies) only for them to not be able to find it/them.

At least a few years ago, they flat out stated their computer system only updated inventory levels daily.
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As of this post, Oppo has 546 units of the 203 available to order.
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That remote is a joke, they charged $400 for that player and remote, and it's horrendous.
I can't ever figure out how to use it. I used the player one time to see a UHD disc. Just way too small.

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That’s for the 205, which is currently Out of Stock.
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Yup, I did another check and I was looking at the 205 status, so I deleted my post

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Yes, it’s a conspiracy! The upgrading and replacing never stops!


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You got that right. I went from VHS to S- VHS to LD and then ED Beta and then DVD and HD- DVD, BD and now UHD.
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