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Anxiously waiting for my 203 delivery (May 1st)..Should I keep my Marantz 5003 for cd playback or will the 203 do a better job with the DACS? I will be using the dual hdmi wires since I only have the Elite 03 which doesn't pass thru anything..thanks in advance
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Audio Video Systems in Roch. I shouldn't say that they completely closed as they did move over to the office park in that same area and they still do the custom cabinetry and installations but no store front. I imagine you could have them place orders for gear if you wanted but with the internet I see no reason for that.
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Anxiously waiting for my 203 delivery (May 1st)..Should I keep my Marantz 5003 for cd playback or will the 203 do a better job with the DACS? I will be using the dual hdmi wires since I only have the Elite 03 which doesn't pass thru anything..thanks in advance
If you are listening to HDMI Audio from the OPPO, the DACs in the OPPO are not involved.

HDMI Audio is Digital. The DACs (Digital to Analog Converters) are only in the signal path when you are listening to the Analog audio outputs of the OPPO.

That said, the 203 should do a fine job of playing your CDs over HDMI audio.

And you can wire both HDMI audio and stereo Analog audio to your receiver, if you want to try CD playback both ways.
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I picked up a 203 for a 4K projector in the near future (LOL, #me too). Really have enjoyed the 103D...

I guess the next move is into Kaleidoscope DV and Player...I like to own media for multiple viewings and want excellent quality (high bit rate video and audio).

With the rabid following the Oppo brand has, someone should buy up the rights, continue with the players and expand/transition product line into HTPC and take the leg work out of ripping discs and categorizing things...

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^ 3D will be back. 3D *ALWAYS* comes back. It would not surprise me if we see 3D again before we see 8K discs.

Just in case you aren’t clear on this, the 203 also does 3D.

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Anxiously waiting for my 203 delivery (May 1st)..Should I keep my Marantz 5003 for cd playback or will the 203 do a better job with the DACS? I will be using the dual hdmi wires since I only have the Elite 03 which doesn't pass thru anything..thanks in advance
If you have room, I'd keep it. There are many who think a dedicated cd player will do a better job at CDs than a universal player. Also, it's not just the dac chip, but the implementation of that chip and Marantz is no slouch. A quick pull up of a review of the 5003 was very positive. You also have a built in headphone amp with the 5003, if that matters.

Another reason I'd keep it. is you won't ever get another Oppo player. Make the one you have last as long as possible. Keep CDs on you Marantz as long as it's working good and save the Oppo lifetime so it lasts as long as possible for movies. Failure rate of a device will be a function of time for electronics and number of cycles for mechanical components like loaders, etc. So if it were me, I'd do split duty, CDs marantz, movies oppo.
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^ 3D will be back. 3D *ALWAYS* comes back. It would not surprise me if we see 3D again before we see 8K discs.

Just in case you aren’t clear on this, the 203 also does 3D.

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Well that is good news. I really enjoy the added experience of a well done 3D movie.

So I am clear...The 203 does everything the 103d does but also 4k?
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Was considering selling my Panasonic TC-P60VT60 and finally getting 4K. Alas, I just finished watching "IMAX Hubble 3D". That settles it. No way I'm giving up 3D for 4K!
Thank you for your comment.
I have had "Hubble" on the shelf for years. I am going to watch it tonight.
3D AND 4k would be the bomb...with a 80(+) inch TV 😏
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Well that is good news. I really enjoy the added experience of a well done 3D movie.

So I am clear...The 203 does everything the 103d does but also 4k?
No Darbee processing; 4k Darbee doesn't exist.

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Well that is good news. I really enjoy the added experience of a well done 3D movie.

So I am clear...The 203 does everything the 103d does but also 4k?
There is no Darbee processing option in the 203. In addition the 203 drops support for HDCD discs. The 203 has 1 HDMI Input instead of 2.

The 203 adds support for 4K content with either HDR10 or Dolby Vision. It adds additional music and media file playback formats. It adds built-in, dual band Wifi (no need for a USB dongle any longer). It adds Roon support for Stereo music. It adds improved Analog audio output. It adds a motion sensing remote that lights up when you pick it up. Etc.
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Was considering selling my Panasonic TC-P60VT60 and finally getting 4K. Alas, I just finished watching "IMAX Hubble 3D". That settles it. No way I'm giving up 3D for 4K!

Agree...just hate 3D glasses.

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The thing is, Emotiva would be at the same place that Oppo was, which is figuring out what kind of profit potential there is after acquiring all of the various licenses that they would need to even consider manufacturing BD players, and then what it would cost them to produce, and how much they would charge per in order to even make money on them. If Oppo no longer found doing that financially solvent, I don't know how it would be different for Emotiva or anyone else.
This is a good point. OPPO is a very unique company as their main product was two bpd universal players. Truly a very narrow target market. The other mainstream electronics companies have whole lines of products. I'm frankly surprised that a company like OPPO survived as long as it did. But like EMOTIVA, which I LOVE, their gear is so over built its not even funny. You'll never find a Yamaha, or Pioneer, or Onkyo built like that at those price points. Funny thing is THEIR gear is also made in china, and the build quality is nothing like OPPO s or EMOTIVA. So these are two very special companies that fit a weird nitch market in consumer electronics. Sad to see that OPPO has nowhere to go with this because of consumer trends, very telling.
But then again everyone thought that vinyl was dead, but that community kept it going and now it's dealing the benefit of newer technologies with playing records.
So there might be a company like 'Pro Ject' that keeps this alive going forward.
But with the movie companies having almost total control over their content, I doubt they want to continue to be friendly with an industry that threatens their intellectual property. Their too close to total control.
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I am still bummed, really bummed.

Do we have any idea what Oppo will do? They have such a solid base of fans, it's a shame to toss that away. I'll never forget when the 83 was getting bad reviews on sound quality and in a very short time the 83SE appeared and silenced the critics. After that I was hooked. I still use the 83SE for CD playback. I've not heard anything better.

Maybe the handwriting is on the wall. I've been streaming more, so have a lot of other people. Apple TV into Darby onto a 168" diagonal CIH screen, all 1080p and dang it looks good. I was really looking forward to 4K end to end. I'll need a disc player because our streaming is limited to 10 megs and will be for a couple of years. Now it looks like I'll go JVC faux 4K and ride along for another 3-4 years and see what's being done. I think it will be OK but it sure feels like a cop out.

Oh well, I'm glad Oppo decided to stride boldly into that Good Night rather than wither away. Maybe they'll come back to rule streaming. That would be great.
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I am still bummed, really bummed.

Do we have any idea what Oppo will do?
Just what they pledged to do (continue with FW updates, warranty service, etc). Some may scoff, but they have proven (to me, at least) that their customer service and attention to their base to be that extremely rare animal: one which actually is in tune with their fan base, and does what they say they are gonna do. To my experience, I have only come across one other company which has customer service of the same caliber: SVS. This is likely the last of a breed of quality, high-end players, the replacements for which will be cheap pieces of plastic in comparison. And none of the other major players (Panasonic*, Sony, Samsung, etc) has customer service anywhere near as good.

* For those of us who remember the 2009-2010 Panasonic Plasmas, and the engineering glitch that resulted in the black level (MLL) rise. Once they have your money, it's anything goes... Panasonic went to great lengths to look the other way (and they got away with it), and it took a third party to come up with a solution, in his spare time no less. This was something Panasonic could well have done, but they did not care enough to spend the money (which, ironically, would have been but a fraction of the legal fees they spent claiming "It's not a bug, but a feature"). I never once got that impression with OPPO.

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I currently have a 105 which I never got to use to its full extent because I still have not upgraded my system. Question is, should I consider buying a 203 or even a 205 to be able to spin discs in the future. What is the true difference in the sound quality between the 2 machines? Would I be giving up much the 203 vs the 205?

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Received my 203 today. I’ll be hooking it tomorrow to replace my 103D. The 103D will be repurposed once I get a 4K which will allow me to move my 3D Samsung to my living room. Not to mention the new AVR I need to purchase along with some Atmos speakers. Gonna spend some 💰💰💰 this next year and a half

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I currently have a 105 which I never got to use to its full extent because I still have not upgraded my system. Question is, should I consider buying a 203 or even a 205 to be able to spin discs in the future. What is the true difference in the sound quality between the 2 machines? Would I be giving up much the 203 vs the 205?

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The comparison of the 203 vs 205 is much the same as the comparison of the 103 vs. 105.

The 205 has a more exotic Analog audio output solution than the 203, adds a Headphones jack, and adds additional types of Digital audio Inputs -- including the Asynchronous USB DAC Input. It also supports MQA stereo audio playback from media files and MQA-CD discs. (OPPO is still working on other ways to get MQA playback such as into that USB DAC Input, but nothing announced yet.)

Comparing the 205 vs the 105, the Analog audio solution is a generation newer -- better DACs for example. You can also play more music file types and rates. Things like being able to send HDMI DSD audio into the 205's HDMI Input.
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This is a good point. OPPO is a very unique company as their main product was two bpd universal players. Truly a very narrow target market. The other mainstream electronics companies have whole lines of products. I'm frankly surprised that a company like OPPO survived as long as it did. But like EMOTIVA, which I LOVE, their gear is so over built its not even funny. You'll never find a Yamaha, or Pioneer, or Onkyo built like that at those price points. Funny thing is THEIR gear is also made in china, and the build quality is nothing like OPPO s or EMOTIVA. So these are two very special companies that fit a weird nitch market in consumer electronics. Sad to see that OPPO has nowhere to go with this because of consumer trends, very telling.
But then again everyone thought that vinyl was dead, but that community kept it going and now it's dealing the benefit of newer technologies with playing records.
So there might be a company like 'Pro Ject' that keeps this alive going forward.
But with the movie companies having almost total control over their content, I doubt they want to continue to be friendly with an industry that threatens their intellectual property. Their too close to total control.
But you can get a refurbished Sony 1000,ES for $279,which is something right?

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I think Blu-Ray/SACD/DVD-Audio players specifically aimed at the enthusiast may go the route of the boutique vinyl players, in that you will have very expensive models that will be the only real choices. However, I'm not entirely sure we will have anything like what Oppo is/was. Oppo was more than just the sum of assembling various licenses and parts. An Emotiva product would be different (not trying to pick on Emotiva with that comment).
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Oppo to stop production? This is not a joke.

On a side note, watching Rugby yesterday and saw that Oppo is a sponsor for Bath Rugby Team.


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They are one of the top five Chinese smartphone makers. That’d be a possibility for what they are promoting with sponsorship.

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I think Blu-Ray/SACD/DVD-Audio players specifically aimed at the enthusiast may go the route of the boutique vinyl players, in that you will have very expensive models that will be the only real choices. However, I'm not entirely sure we will have anything like what Oppo is/was. Oppo was more than just the sum of assembling various licenses and parts. An Emotiva product would be different (not trying to pick on Emotiva with that comment).
I agree that if Emotiva decided to market UHD universal players that it would be different. Emotiva's and Oppo's way of doing business is very different. The biggest difference is that for the most part Oppo released players on or very near the announced release dates. Emotiva doesn't even come close to announced release dates. Sometimes they're not off by months but years .

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I agree that if Emotiva decided to market UHD universal players that it would be different. Emotiva's and Oppo's way of doing business is very different. The biggest difference is that for the most part Oppo released players on or very near the announced release dates. Emotiva doesn't even come close to announced release dates. Sometimes they're not off by months but years .

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True. But Emotiva should be able to “continue” production of the 203 and 205 without issue for a few years, until 8k and/or hdmi 2.1 is common. They’d only need to rebadge the chassis 😀

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Hey all,
Picked up an Oppo 203 for my 65" TV and moved my Sony X800 upstairs to the 55" in the living room. I am liking the player very much. Great menu setup and bountiful informative display. Image quality on 4K discs seems very comparable between the two. Blu ray disc playback seems to be better looking on the Oppo so far. The build quality and finish are top notch. Hopefully updates and support will continue for a couple years at least.

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True. But Emotiva should be able to “continue” production of the 203 and 205 without issue for a few years, until 8k and/or hdmi 2.1 is common. They’d only need to rebadge the chassis 😀
I don't see that happening. Emotiva would need the technical expertise to not only repair the players when needed but provide timely FW updates. The part about "timely" is not in Emotiva's business model .
Emotiva could not touch Oppo's level of service.

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Oppo to stop production? This is not a joke.

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I don't see that happening. Emotiva would need the technical expertise to not only repair the players when needed but provide timely FW updates. The part about "timely" is not in Emotiva's business model .
Emotiva could not touch Oppo's level of service.

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I mentioned earlier in this thread that I think Cambridge makes the most sense as they already have a working relationship with Oppo and are a similar company as far as the home audio and video aspect is concerned.

It makes so much sense for Cambridge to keep Oppo digital going that I’m sure it won’t happen.


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