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The Panasonic DMP UB9000 isn't a universal player so it wouldn't be a player I'd be interested in.

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what "WON'T" it play?
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As interesting and sad as it may be, perhaps the Gibson story can be discussed in another thread?
Yes, agreed. I had also posted this yesterday to the relevant "Gibson buys Onkyo" thread from a few years ago:

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Please continue there. I'll repost my comment.
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what "WON'T" it play?
The fact that the Panasonic DMP UB9000 doesn't play SACD or DVD-A makes the comments that it's "replacing Oppo players" totally incorrect IMO.

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The fact that the Panasonic DMP UB9000 doesn't play SACD or DVD-A makes the comments that it's "replacing Oppo players" totally incorrect IMO.

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Agree. It's fine if people want a player that does UHD and other disks as well as stream and some music files (MP3, FLAC...) but that doesn't make them universal players in the manner of the Oppos.

Each person is different, but my personal collection runs to bluray, DVD, SACD, DVD-A's, FLAC, DSD, MP3's, AIFF and a whole list of MKV contained video formats.

I've thrown all of those at my 103D and have had no problems. I also highly value the HDMI inputs in the 103D and the single one in the 203.

I could go on, but the question is - what would it take to replace that at the quality level that you get in an Oppo?
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Agree. It's fine if people want a player that does UHD and other disks as well as stream and some music files (MP3, FLAC...) but that doesn't make them universal players in the manner of the Oppos.

Each person is different, but my personal collection runs to bluray, DVD, SACD, DVD-A's, FLAC, DSD, MP3's, AIFF and a whole list of MKV contained video formats.

I've thrown all of those at my 103D and have had no problems. I also highly value the HDMI inputs in the 103D and the single one in the 203.

I could go on, but the question is - what would it take to replace that at the quality level that you get in an Oppo?
Well said and I agree 100%! I really don't think any company will replace Oppo in regard to the quality of the players and their excellent customer service. I find it interesting when some dump on the "rabid" Oppo fan boys. But in all the years I've been into audio and video gear no company has produced the quality of product and backed it up with the best customer service in the industry. So if I'm a "rabid" Oppo fan boy that's fine with me .

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As interesting and sad as it may be, perhaps the Gibson story can be discussed in another thread?
IMO, it is another facet of the Oppo story that seemed worth illuminating. Not guitars, per se, but I had no idea Gibson had so much ownership in that many well known brands.


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Why has this thread strayed so far from the topic? This isn't about streaming vs. media or what the competitors can or can't do. This is about losing one of the best names in home entertainment.

Picked up an 203 to replace my perfectly fine 103 at my local Magnolia just becuase of the news. Plenty in stock so no need for price gouging on Fleabay. Might be worth checking out your local retailer.

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Why has this thread strayed so far from the topic? This isn't about streaming vs. media or what the competitors can or can't do. This is about losing one of the best names in home entertainment.

Picked up an 203 to replace my perfectly fine 103 at my local Magnolia just becuase of the news. Plenty in stock so no need for price gouging on Fleabay. Might be worth checking out your local retailer...
Streaming hasn’t been discussed for pages, the thread has been about whether or not to still buy an Oppo and *that* requires discussing other brands’ offerings and what they can and can’t do. And MEDIA needs to be discussed as in “what else plays all of the MEDIA that Oppo plays?”

Congrats on the 203 and thanks for the news.

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Question ???


Okay for you professionals ................


What is going to be the DVD, Blu-Ray, UHD 4K Player then to replace the Oppo that is as we all know going away if anyone likes it or not.


A very simple question and I'm confident that at least a few of you will have recommendations ???


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im using the analog outs from an oppo 105, playing mostly dff,dsf files files from an external drive.

is there a big sq gain wth the 205, from the 105, with my configuration?
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Okay for you professionals ................


What is going to be the DVD, Blu-Ray, UHD 4K Player then to replace the Oppo that is as we all know going away if anyone likes it or not.


A very simple question and I'm confident that at least a few of you will have recommendations ???


Thanks,
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My sense is that no one here is replacing their Oppo and some/many seem like they are doubling down and buying up remaining stock.
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im using the analog outs from an oppo 105, playing mostly dff,dsf files files from an external drive.

is there a big sq gain wth the 205, from the 105, with my configuration?
Somebody, earlier in the thread, that the DACs in the 205 are the newer generation from the 105. I think they also thought the difference would be unnoticeable. I also doubt that anyone could tell the difference in a blind A/B test.
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Picked up an 203 to replace my perfectly fine 103 at my local Magnolia just becuase of the news. Plenty in stock so no need for price gouging on Fleabay. Might be worth checking out your local retailer.
The 203 is readily available from Oppo, Magnolia and other retailers. The 205 isn't available now and that's why some are asking insane prices on places like eBay.

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im using the analog outs from an oppo 105, playing mostly dff,dsf files files from an external drive.

is there a big sq gain wth the 205, from the 105, with my configuration?
I had a 105D and now have a 205. I'm using the analog outputs with mostly disc playback and find the 205 to be a subtle SQ improvement over the 105D. If you can get a 205 in June from Oppo I'd say go for it and compare it directly to your 105.

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My sense is that no one here is replacing their Oppo and some/many seem like they are doubling down and buying up remaining stock.
Thanks and I have read on this Thread what you just said.
I was hoping maybe some of the A/V Professionals would have some recommendations on other players since Oppo is going away.
I'm not big on buying/purchasing Discontinued products from Manufacturers that Stop production.
Just really makes no sense to me but everyone should obviously do as they see fit.


Thanks again .........
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Thanks and I have read on this Thread what you just said.
I was hoping maybe some of the A/V Professionals would have some recommendations on other players since Oppo is going away.
I'm not big on buying/purchasing Discontinued products from Manufacturers that Stop production..
As I read the thread, no one has come up with a replacement.

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Thanks and I have read on this Thread what you just said.
I was hoping maybe some of the A/V Professionals would have some recommendations on other players since Oppo is going away.
I'm not big on buying/purchasing Discontinued products from Manufacturers that Stop production.
Just really makes no sense to me but everyone should obviously do as they see fit.


Thanks again .........
Here's my take, Terry. Because of Oppo the mainstreams had to up their game. Now with Oppo gone the mainstreams can go back to plastic mediocrity. There's no one left to push the envelope. I don't think we'll see a player the likes of Oppo again. I heard rumors maybe Piomeer might enter the UHD market. But will it be a universal player? Who knows? I know this goes against what you said, but I think getting a 203 is still the best option out there.

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As I read the thread, no one has come up with a replacement.

Cause there’s not one!


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Thanks and I have read on this Thread what you just said.
I was hoping maybe some of the A/V Professionals would have some recommendations on other players since Oppo is going away.
I'm not big on buying/purchasing Discontinued products from Manufacturers that Stop production.
Just really makes no sense to me but everyone should obviously do as they see fit.


Thanks again .........
I've replaced my 103D with a Sony UDP-X800 and will be using the Oppo for region B BDs only. The Sony meets all my needs and is better for streaming than the Oppo. The Sony remote sucks though, but that's of course easily fixed.
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I'm not big on buying/purchasing Discontinued products from Manufacturers that Stop production.
Just really makes no sense to me but everyone should obviously do as they see fit.
Well, then how can you buy anything? As soon as you buy something like this, it is discontinued within relatively short order, and replaced by next year's model. AVRs, TVs, Disk Players, not much is immune these days it seems! I could see being nervous about a company if it were to disappear entirely, but hey, GM still services Saturns and Oldsmobiles, so.....

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Now with Oppo gone the mainstreams can go back to plastic mediocrity. There's no one left to push the envelope. I don't think we'll see a player the likes of Oppo again.
Had any of the others actually left the world of plastic mediocrity? One reason I love the Oppo - it doesn't feel like a throw-away toy....nothing feels cheap about it, no corners seem to have been cut.

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Just a slight testimonial on what the "new Oppo" may be like.

I bought a 203 about two weeks ago, having heard the news and decided to strike while the forge was still lit.

I had also had my eye on a PM-3 headphone set - just placed the order and realized that, when going through Amazon, you have to take an extra step to get the right audio cable (I needed an Android). I sent a message through Amazon to Oppo asking the question, they responded within five minutes and told me they had changed the order to an Android cable as a response.

The quick response made me think that if they keep the current environment, then for current customers, it will be a gentle glide, even if eventually support stops.
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Just a slight testimonial on what the "new Oppo" may be like.

I bought a 203 about two weeks ago, having heard the news and decided to strike while the forge was still lit.

I had also had my eye on a PM-3 headphone set - just placed the order and realized that, when going through Amazon, you have to take an extra step to get the right audio cable (I needed an Android). I sent a message through Amazon to Oppo asking the question, they responded within five minutes and told me they had changed the order to an Android cable as a response.

The quick response made me think that if they keep the current environment, then for current customers, it will be a gentle glide, even if eventually support stops.
That's one of my concerns. If the support and customer service stays in-house then things should go smoothly. But if it is eventually handed off to a third party then all bets could be off.
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. . . they responded within five minutes and told me they had changed the order to an Android cable as a response.

The quick response made me think that if they keep the current environment, then for current customers, it will be a gentle glide, even if eventually support stops.
"Sorry" to be a Negative Nancy but this is Pollyanna Paulie stuff.

After underestimating response to their announcement, they've probably staffed up in terms of the number of people or at least amount of attention being given to e-mail. And responding to e-mail specifically related to recent order fulfillment given the "current environment" (a huge, important caveat) isn't the same thing as future warranty much less non-warranty service/support. I personally have noted faster response in recent weeks than, say, three years ago. Just because they're super responsive now doesn't necessarily bode anything for, say, two years from now (when staff will perhaps be one engineer and two people responding to e-mail queries).
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Somebody, earlier in the thread, that the DACs in the 205 are the newer generation from the 105. I think they also thought the difference would be unnoticeable. I also doubt that anyone could tell the difference in a blind A/B test.
Only the listener can decide whether they can tell the difference or not.
pepar, you know that there is more to how good a player or stand alone DAC sounds than merely the DAC used.

I've owned the following Oppo players, 80, 83, 95, 105, 203 & 205.
Each generation has sounded better to me than the previous one & I have done un-sighted testing.

Both the 203 & the 205 are significant improvements over their respective 10x counterparts in design(fact) and SQ(mo).
Significant means different things to different people. For me it's the details in the mids to upper frequencies that are improved.
I don't count it as significant if I have to do concentrated, repeated listening of music passages to discern the differences.
While I do that, the real improvement has to be in what I call casual\normal listening.
I may be focused on what is playing, I'm really just getting immersed in the music.
I've also tested the Oppos with and without a pre-amp in the chain and preferred it with my preamp.
YMMV
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Had any of the others actually left the world of plastic mediocrity? One reason I love the Oppo - it doesn't feel like a throw-away toy....nothing feels cheap about it, no corners seem to have been cut.
FWIW, I have a Sony UBP-X800, and it's definitely well constructed and not a throwaway toy. Solid metal construction.

But I still bought an Oppo 203 for that last bit of blu-ray goodness! And also because I've always wanted an Oppo player!
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"Sorry" to be a Negative Nancy but this is Pollyanna Paulie stuff.

After underestimating response to their announcement, they've probably staffed up in terms of the number of people or at least amount of attention being given to e-mail. And responding to e-mail specifically related to recent order fulfillment given the "current environment" (a huge, important caveat) isn't the same thing as future warranty much less non-warranty service/support. I personally have noted faster response in recent weeks than, say, three years ago. Just because they're super responsive now doesn't necessarily bode anything for, say, two years from now (when staff will perhaps be one engineer and two people responding to e-mail queries).
That assumption is incorrect. Oppo has been laying off staff consistently since the announcement.
A person on another forum is an attorney for Oppo with direct contacts.
They've obviously stopped shipments to retailers so that staff is gone.
Only support and the warehouse staff needed to process the remaining inventory remain.
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That assumption is incorrect. Oppo has been laying off staff consistently since the announcement.
A person on another forum is an attorney for Oppo with direct contacts.
They've obviously stopped shipments to retailers so that staff is gone.
Only support and the warehouse staff needed to process the remaining inventory remain.
It's telling what you highlight and then purport to counter when a few words later I've covered that base. You of course did not say anything antithetical to the other component of my comments that contemplates greater/faster attention to e-mail regardless of staff count.

It's very possible that the same "support" staff you yourself reference in your last sentence used to assist with retailer shipments. Now that those responsibilities are gone, they could be (some of) the ones giving greater attention to fast(er) e-mail response now compared to in the past.

And having worked for lawyers for over 20 years, I know that just because someone is legal counsel doesn't mean they know everything's that's going on in terms of personnel with their client(s).

And this is a silly sidebar. My larger point is about how it would be problematic to assume that the speed of e-mail response regarding order fulfillment now has anything to do with responsiveness regarding post-sale warranty or non-warranty support in the future. I think that's clear to most reasonable readers not seeking to just poke a very selective "you're making assumptions" hole in my comments.
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"Sorry" to be a Negative Nancy but this is Pollyanna Paulie stuff.

After underestimating response to their announcement, they've probably staffed up in terms of the number of people or at least amount of attention being given to e-mail. And responding to e-mail specifically related to recent order fulfillment given the "current environment" (a huge, important caveat) isn't the same thing as future warranty much less non-warranty service/support. I personally have noted faster response in recent weeks than, say, three years ago. Just because they're super responsive now doesn't necessarily bode anything for, say, two years from now (when staff will perhaps be one engineer and two people responding to e-mail queries).
First time I've ever been called a Pollyana, chuckled a bit.

I'm a realist, just was pleased with the response. They've said they will support and it seemed a good omen, but you know - no guarantees. Thanks for the chuckle though.
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FWIW, I have a Sony UBP-X800, and it's definitely well constructed and not a throwaway toy. Solid metal construction.

But I still bought an Oppo 203 for that last bit of blu-ray goodness! And also because I've always wanted an Oppo player!
True enough, the Sony X800 and X1000ES are pretty solid, especially for their stature. Still, not like the Oppo - and they cut design corners in my opinion, which of course has a measure of subjectivity....
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True enough, the Sony X800 and X1000ES are pretty solid, especially for their stature. Still, not like the Oppo - and they cut design corners in my opinion, which of course has a measure of subjectivity....

True they are pretty solid, BUT there is no way to compare to the construction of the OPPO.
The OPPO's are just tanks, the Sony's are 3 steps below that level of construction.
And c'mon, to not put a display on the front, how frickin stupid cheap is that??
Even a $179 Onkyo cd player has a display. For Heaven Sakes, just stupid cheap thinking that's all.
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