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We can debate all day about the reasons Oppo is fading away from producing disc players. We can also debate how good their players are compared to others. Why the haters cruise this thread I’ll never understand. If you don’t like Oppo just buy something else because you certainly won’t sway my opinion.
There’s a certain brand of speaker I don’t care for and I have never gone to their thread to try to change peoples opinions. I simply don’t spend my money on that brand. Notice I didn’t even mention the brand name.
Now what we all should be concerned about is how many others will follow Oppo’s lead and bail away from physical media. Until streaming video reaches the level streaming music has (Tidal, Deezer), I will always prefer physical disc.
So my 203 is sitting in the box waiting to be hooked up when I get time. I will initially use it for Blu-ray (no 4k TV yet), SACD’s and DSD.
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Read this thread and you will find a lot of answers to your questions. My summary of the general consensus would be: yes, buy one, and no, no great alternative right now (although I personally think there will be decent alternatives in the future, and there are many who think there are good alternatives now, just not as good as the 203 is currently).

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From what I've read the production shut down has been uncommonly well planned. It's not one of those situations where a company held on too long and then "crashed" - completely broke, crippled by debt, etc.. Oppo made their decisions before that happened, and hopefully that will enable them to maintain the (reduced) level of customer support and software support/updates that they've promised.
From what I’ve read, it’s not that Oppo Digital was not profitable, it’s that Oppo’s manufacturing time was better spent on the much more profitable manufacturing of cellphones. This didn’t developed overnight.
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I was in the market for a Bluray player and planning on buying OPPO 203, there are few still available but is it worth buying now and are there any alternative make and model to OPPO 203.

I don't know, but I pulled the trigger on one today while there are still a few left and I don't even own a UHD TV yet! The more and more I thought about it, the more I thought I would likely regret not buying one, even though I don't want to spend the money right now. Currently I use the BDP-103 with a Panasonic plasma.
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I don't know, but I pulled the trigger on one today while there are still a few left and I don't even own a UHD TV yet! The more and more I thought about it, the more I thought I would likely regret not buying one, even though I don't want to spend the money right now. Currently I use the BDP-103 with a Panasonic plasma.
I bought one two weeks ago for the same reason and I also don’t currently own a 4K TV. My plan to slowly upgrade to Atmos and 4K has been speed up by Oppo. So once again I have come down with upgraditus 🤕
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I just don't think younger people watch tv or play Disc anymore. I know many kids under 10 that never watch TV . They all live on a dumb i phone. Our world is coming to a end and i see the end of TV sets and disc players within 10 years.
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Our world is coming to a end and i see the end of TV sets and disc players within 10 years.
I'm just waiting for the VR head sets and movies! Hell, someone may develop Star Trek holodeck tech for a true 3D 'television'.
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The X800 is not a 2 lb unit—it weighs more than 8 lbs. Metal construction. It’s built to a different standard than the 3700. Just because it doesn’t have a display does not mean it’s 3 degrees below Oppo in terms of *construction*.

Again, I own both a Sony X800 and an Oppo 203. So I have first hand knowledge of each product.
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I had every Oppo, even the 203, sold it, and bought the X800...
The Sony is not an Oppo 203, but it sure is a lot cheaper and does the job very well.
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I had every Oppo, even the 203, sold it, and bought the X800...

The Sony is not an Oppo 203, but it sure is a lot cheaper and does the job very well.


I’m sure it plays UHD and Blu-ray Discs very well but as had been discussed at length in this thread it’s not a direct competitor to the Oppo 203 or 205.

Analog outs is a big requirement for most that have the Oppos but that’s just one big difference.


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I had every Oppo, even the 203, sold it, and bought the X800...
The Sony is not an Oppo 203, but it sure is a lot cheaper and does the job very well.
Sooo, please compare the "picture quality" difference that you have noted between the Oppo 203 and the Sony X800. I am curious as I just ordered an Oppo 203 last night and they are still available.
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I’m sure it plays UHD and Blu-ray Discs very well but as had been discussed at length in this thread it’s not a direct competitor to the Oppo 203 or 205.

Analog outs is a big requirement for most that have the Oppos but that’s just one big difference.


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Indeed it is. I had the 105D Japan Limited Edition, the finest Oppo for music. So I agree that the Oppos made a great all in one machine, good for music and for video. I then got myself a nice DAC, and I went into HT more. Then my Oppo sources told me about Oppo's demise and I considered keeping the 203 or even getting the 205 for fun, and even when the support ran out, I could still use it as a good transport or just as a nice CD / SACD player. However the same source told me that many drives and 203 were giving issues, so I decided against keeping it, since I had other sources to play music and the Sony will service well for HT.

So as I posted earlier in the thread, if you have a good Oppo and it works well, use it and enjoy it, and enjoy the ride while it lasts. It was a great player, even the Oppo Nuforce which is my last Oppo and slowing failing, 10 yrs after I got it.
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Sooo, please compare the "picture quality" difference that you have noted between the Oppo 203 and the Sony X800. I am curious as I just ordered an Oppo 203 last night and they are still available.
I can no longer do a head to head comparison since I sold my 203 a long time back.
Where did you get the 203? Test the drive and if it works well it should last for a while.
For 4k playback, the difference is not great between different players. For audio playback, there are alternatives for me, but if you are only going to stretch to the 203, it should be an excellent audio and video all in one playback source.
In terms of upscaling, if you have a current generation Sony TV for example, the upscaling by the TV is good enough that you no longer need a fancy video chip in your amp or BR player.
I wrote my notes on both the Sony and Oppo 203 earlier and you can find my posts on the net. Cheers
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However the same source told me that many drives and 203 were giving issues, so I decided against keeping it, since I had other sources to play music and the Sony will service well for HT.

So as I posted earlier in the thread, if you have a good Oppo and it works well, use it and enjoy it, and enjoy the ride while it lasts. It was a great player, even the Oppo Nuforce which is my last Oppo and slowing failing, 10 yrs after I got it.
I have the 205 but I haven't read that the 203 "drive" was an issue. The 203 and the 205 share the same loader and laser mechanism. I haven't had any issues with the "drive" on either of my 205s. Is this source a dealer or do they work for Oppo?

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However the same source told me that many drives and 203 were giving issues, so I decided against keeping it, since I had other sources to play music and the Sony will service well for HT.



So as I posted earlier in the thread, if you have a good Oppo and it works well, use it and enjoy it, and enjoy the ride while it lasts. It was a great player, even the Oppo Nuforce which is my last Oppo and slowing failing, 10 yrs after I got it.

I follow these threads rather closely and don’t recall any issues with the drive in either the 203 or the 205. I’m sure like anything else there is one here and there but def not a widespread issue as it would be all over this board.

The players are also under warranty which will be covered even if a problem did arise.

This also has nothing to do with the difference in features between the Sony and the Oppos. If all anyone is interested in a player is UHD and Blu-ray then I’m sure the Sony is fine but a lot of us require more. I’ve entertained the idea of a separate DAC but having an all in one unit is what makes the Oppos great.



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I follow these threads rather closely and don’t recall any issues with the drive in either the 203 or the 205. I’m sure like anything else there is one here and there but def not a widespread issue as it would be all over this board.

The players are also under warranty which will be covered even if a problem did arise.

This also has nothing to do with the difference in features between the Sony and the Oppos. If all anyone is interested in a player is UHD and Blu-ray then I’m sure the Sony is fine but a lot of us require more. I’ve entertained the idea of a separate DAC but having an all in one unit is what makes the Oppos great.
I've haven't seen multiple disc drive issues reported on the 203 or the 205 as well. As you mention the players would be under warranty anyhow. It's funny how some will say they have a "source" but fail to mention who that source is. If it's a salesperson at an A/V shop that doesn't sell Oppo products then it's a real reliable source .

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I follow these threads rather closely and don’t recall any issues with the drive in either the 203 or the 205. I’m sure like anything else there is one here and there but def not a widespread issue as it would be all over this board.

The players are also under warranty which will be covered even if a problem did arise.

This also has nothing to do with the difference in features between the Sony and the Oppos. If all anyone is interested in a player is UHD and Blu-ray then I’m sure the Sony is fine but a lot of us require more. I’ve entertained the idea of a separate DAC but having an all in one unit is what makes the Oppos great.



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I also thought about dedicated DAC but the problem is that all DACs on the market are stereo and more expensive that Oppo 205. The beauty of Oppo is that it is optimally configured has all the right components, inputs and outputs and plays everything you may find on disk or file download.
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I also thought about dedicated DAC but the problem is that all DACs on the market are stereo and more expensive that Oppo 205. The beauty of Oppo is that it is optimally configured has all the right components, inputs and outputs and plays everything you may find on disk or file download.


Being able to directly compete with higher end separate DACs that are just DACs that don’t play discs or even music directly is one of the things that makes Oppo players great. Shelf space is always at a premium so having an all in one device is what puts Oppo above other players and why those other players don’t directly compare to the Oppos.




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I also thought about dedicated DAC but the problem is that all DACs on the market are stereo and more expensive that Oppo 205. The beauty of Oppo is that it is optimally configured has all the right components, inputs and outputs and plays everything you may find on disk or file download.

And the reason I’ll be buying a 205 if they decide to do another run.


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Currently using a 95 for stereo audio. My collection is vast with CD's, HDCD's, DVD-A, SACD , BD Audio and many hundreds of titles ripped to FLAC. Oppo has always been the budget audiophiles best friend.

The 95 is my 5th Oppo, having started with one of their earlier upconverting DVD players, then the BDP-80, etc.

Upon hearing the news of Oppo's impending demise I scrambled and came up with a backup in the form of a absolutely mint and unused 105. Any cheap player out there can do UHD reasonably well, it is Hi Rez AUDIO I am concerned with. My 95 has performed perfectly for the last 6 years but sooner or later Murphy's Law is gonna kick in. I would rather have a stack of used Oppo hardware waiting in the wings then have to settle for an inferior solution to my audio repro needs. (or purchase 4 to 5 units that will "sort of" do what one BDP-95 can do)
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[QUOTE=MartyGillis;56157324]Currently using a 95 for stereo audio. My collection is vast with CD's, HDCD's, DVD-A, SACD , BD Audio and many hundreds of titles ripped to FLAC. Oppo has always been the budget audiophiles best friend.

The 95 is my 5th Oppo, having started with one of their earlier upconverting DVD players, then the BDP-80, etc.
Any cheap player out there can do UHD reasonably well, it is Hi Rez AUDIO I am concerned with.


Yup

This is pretty much me too.

I think of myself as an audiophile, even though I am not able to afford high end

It seems to me, that here are several problems with streaming Movies, The largest one being that the quality is pretty much terrible, especially the audio. Cellphone quality is apparently good enough for many, it seems.

If this is not true, please, someone help me out.

The question I have is: after the next last run of OPPO UDP-205 what do we do?

There is something called a pre-pro, sure enough, but what is to be used for a transport?

What else?
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Yup

This is pretty much me too.

I think of myself as an audiophile, even though I am not able to afford high end

It seems to me, that here are several problems with streaming Movies, The largest one being that the quality is pretty much terrible, especially the audio. Cellphone quality is apparently good enough for many, it seems.

If this is not true, please, someone help me out.

The question I have is: after the next last run of OPPO UDP-205 what do we do?

There is something called a pre-pro, sure enough, but what is to be used for a transport?

What else?
Your internet connection must be fairly slow. Wih a high speed connection streaming is usually great.
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I would have liked to see Oppo build a unit with the audio capabilities and DACs of the Oppo 205, but around streaming (and as a hub for other devices) (ATV, Fire, etc.). Using their audio (and video if possible?) hardware (and software) to improve streaming services (buffering, etc.) I would buy a 205 just for improving sound from streaming content. I currently have a 105 Darbee and run my ATV and Fire through it, and use the XLRs into my Ayre system for amazing sound (I don't run surround).
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Currently using a 95 for stereo audio. My collection is vast with CD's, HDCD's, DVD-A, SACD , BD Audio and many hundreds of titles ripped to FLAC. Oppo has always been the budget audiophiles best friend.

The 95 is my 5th Oppo, having started with one of their earlier upconverting DVD players, then the BDP-80, etc.
Any cheap player out there can do UHD reasonably well, it is Hi Rez AUDIO I am concerned with.


Yup

This is pretty much me too.

I think of myself as an audiophile, even though I am not able to afford high end

It seems to me, that here are several problems with streaming Movies, The largest one being that the quality is pretty much terrible, especially the audio. Cellphone quality is apparently good enough for many, it seems.

If this is not true, please, someone help me out.

The question I have is: after the next last run of OPPO UDP-205 what do we do?

There is something called a pre-pro, sure enough, but what is to be used for a transport?

What else?
Just because you can’t or don’t want to afford high doesn’t mean you’re not an audiophile. While the masses may believe an audiophile is some old rich guy buying ultra expensive gear, I feel differently. You can have some really nice sounding gear at modest prices.
Personally I don’t know what I’ll do going forward once my recently purchased 203 dies some time in what I hope to be the far future. The way technology moves anything could happen.
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Your internet connection must be fairly slow. Wih a high speed connection streaming is usually great.

That’s what I was thinking because my picture and sound quality is fantastic with Comcast cable.


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Sad news... and I'm sorry to see another great product company disappear. But like other technologies, things change. I suspect even with a huge following from AVS members, the age of streaming media may have impacted them too.
I there view of streaming becoming the dominant access technology was the basis for their decision.
As I said above,their support for their products and customers is more important than quarterly profits.
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I don't think that is it
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I there view of streaming becoming the dominant access technology was the basis for their decision.
As I said above,their support for their products and customers is more important than quarterly profits.
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With compression algos becoming better and better - Netflix has some 4k content - 1080p seems like it would be easily marginalized by streaming. Accelerated, most likely, by their more profitable smartphone sales, is not Oppo Digital tossing in the towel on 4k players not a sign of the same thing? As long as compression and pipe speed keep improving, it seems likely that whatever resolution the industry develops will fall sooner or later. I'd bet that it's us baby boomers and Gen-X'ers who cling to our physical media.

But then we rip to our media servers ... and stream. I like to start with the shiny disc because I know it is the highest quality source available. I do a 1:1 rip, but there is a wide division there between 1:1'ers and compressors. I would speculated that if you compress a BD, you might be more inclined to stream from the cloud? And if you are a 1:1'er, less likely?

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So.
Full 4k Blu-Ray Quality Audio and Video. I don't want to lose ground with the audio.
Spot on.

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