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I still have a 5000ES. It's been virtually unused for several years since I got my Oppo 103D. I'm planning on moving it into my office which seems to be where all the flagship antiques reside.
mine is long gone....

below the 5000es vs the oppo 95 when it was released and when I got it many years ago...


the oppo was a shadow of what the 5000es was

sony have long left behind those days of making players like the 5000es... we can only hope one day they return !

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bill am sure some people would buy the sonys but zero interest to me. I am happy with my 205 as happens and been so for about since 3 months since it was released and I got what I needed.

but i am looking to the future and options like the oppo for others and who knows if my 205 ever goes kaput or no longer appropriately supported with updates and beyond help some day. hope to see other makers get into this thing and have some truly and viable options... ill happily jump ship as i have done in the past owning top flight universals with decent dacs and analog stages and power supplies

pana is about the only company making something at moment that could be in running, but still not anyways like the 205... heres hoping they get with the program some day...
I have long since given up on Sony players as I owned 3-4 CD and DVD players that were unusable after a year or so. I think the Pioneer LX500 and LX800 will be excellent players. They should fill the void with Oppo Digital closing down production. The Panasonic 9000 could be a nice player but doesn't do DVD-A or SACD. So it's really just a high priced CD/Blu-ray player IMO. It'd be great if Panasonic would offer a high end universal player as I've had very good luck with their products in the past.

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I have long since given up on Sony players as I owned 3-4 CD and DVD players that were unusable after a year or so. I think the Pioneer LX500 and LX800 will be excellent players. They should fill the void with Oppo Digital closing down production. The Panasonic 9000 could be a nice player but doesn't do DVD-A or SACD. So it's really just a high priced CD/Blu-ray player IMO. It'd be great if Panasonic would offer a high end universal player as I've had very good luck with their products in the past.

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its a pity their disc players dont really match up with there wildly expensive high priced projectors that sony bring out

for panasonic just matter of popping a universal drive in it I am sure wiht the necessary electronics, wouldnt put it past them. I recall someone official saying not to rule out a pana universal at some stage. I recall them doing one of them before .... so quite possible

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if you think the 1000ES compares to the 205, then you dont really understand the 205 with the dacs, analog stage and power supplies it comes with, let alone the build and fit and finish

i owned a 5000es once... now that is something that remotely came something akin to power supplies,dac, analog stages akin to the 205 and build and fit and finish that far and away surpasses the 205...but that was a long time ago....and sony no longer make anything that can hold a candle to the 205

also as I mentioned with their current stuff... bug ridden... if you like that sort of thing

That's strange, how you can just assume I'm equating the 1000es to the 205 simply by stating it is a universal player with stereo analog outs. I wasn't even remotely equating the two and the 205 wasn't even a part of my post. I only stated the 800 had no analog outs and you'd have to have the 1000es to get those.

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back to pioneer bdlx which is why we are all here,

https://homecinemamagazine.net/premi...layer-pops-up/

"The Pioneer UDP-LX800 has a chassis that is divided into three blocks, with the laser placed in the middle for the best balance. The player is universal, which means that almost all discs can be played. In addition, the device comes with two HDMI outputs (one for audio) and support for both HDR10 and Dolby Vision. Compared to the LX500, the LX800 has 7.1-channel analog outputs and the possibility to use the player as USB DAC. For this, a double Saber ES9026PRO DAC seems to be integrated. Furthermore, the player has support for the most important audio and video formats that can be played via the network and USB, including FLAC, DSD, AIFF MP4 and ALAC. Streaming services like Netflix and YouTube will not be present, just like on the LX500."

some info there from home cinema magazine. has dolby vision support,

interesting they say it has the analog 7.1 outputs as the link to manual posted earlier doesnt show that only XLR/RCA 2ch. not that I need 7.1 analogs, but some still running legacy AVRs/proocessors might be looking for something with that.

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... interesting they say it has the analog 7.1 outputs as the link to manual posted earlier doesnt show that only XLR/RCA 2ch.
Sadly, A/V magazines have become pretty poor sources of accurate information. All they seem to offer nowadays is regurgitated pap with stock pictures!
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Sadly, A/V magazines have become pretty poor sources of accurate information. All they seem to offer nowadays is regurgitated pap with stock pictures!
indeed i suspect you are right... but quite the possibility aswell I suppose that the manual posted is incorrect being early pre release version !

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Yes, let's stick to the topic.
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Did you guys compare the specs on the mentioned ESS 9026PRO vs the Oppo 205’s ESS9038PRO. I kinda hope homecinemamagazine tidbit isn’t the case with the $2000 UDP-LX800?

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Word is the LX800 will not be released in the US.
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So the LX500 won't play SACD...

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So the LX500 won't play SACD...
The LX500 is a universal player and will of course play SACDs.

https://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-...blu-ray-player

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The LX500 is a universal player and will of course play SACDs.

https://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-...blu-ray-player

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Not according to the latest link as reported above.

https://www.whathifi.com/news/pionee...blu-ray-player

Like the UDB-LX500, the UDP-LX800 features twin HDMI outputs, presets for SDR and HDR content, Dolby Vision support and compatibility with Pioneer's trademark PQLS (Precision Quartz Locking System), which can be used with compatible Pioneer AV receivers to improve the accuracy of the signal information being sent from the player.

The newest 4K spinner expands the feature list to SACD playback, too. The analogue audio section of the UDP-LX800 is directly derived from Pioneer’s flagship PD-70AE SACD/CD player, employing the same circuit layout and pair of 32-bit, 8-channel Parallel Drive ESS Sabre DACs.

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Not according to the latest link as reported above.

https://www.whathifi.com/news/pionee...blu-ray-player

Like the UDB-LX500, the UDP-LX800 features twin HDMI outputs, presets for SDR and HDR content, Dolby Vision support and compatibility with Pioneer's trademark PQLS (Precision Quartz Locking System), which can be used with compatible Pioneer AV receivers to improve the accuracy of the signal information being sent from the player.

The newest 4K spinner expands the feature list to SACD playback, too. The analogue audio section of the UDP-LX800 is directly derived from Pioneer’s flagship PD-70AE SACD/CD player, employing the same circuit layout and pair of 32-bit, 8-channel Parallel Drive ESS Sabre DACs.

new24, I suspect we are just misreading that article, the lx500 data sheet on the eu site shows sacd and lists its logo etc so I would say capable

https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/s.../UDP-LX500.pdf

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the lx500 data sheet on the eu site shows sacd and lists its logo etc so I would say capable

https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/s.../UDP-LX500.pdf

That it does!
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Just got my LX500. The manual said it plays SACD.



In comparison with 203, it is larger and heavier. It is much slower in opening and closing of the drawer but quiter. It takes longer to read the blu-ray/UHD disc. In combination with a new Pioneer AV amp, it has the benefit of Pioneer's PQLS, the sound is clearly distinguisable from those of 203. Which sounds better depends on one's preference.


Tested it for a couple of hours, picture quality is good but seems softer than 203 and need longer hours of A/B comparison to confirm which suits my preference more.



One notable difference is that DV is a little bit brighter with 500 than 203.
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Not according to the latest link as reported above.

https://www.whathifi.com/news/pionee...blu-ray-player

Like the UDB-LX500, the UDP-LX800 features twin HDMI outputs, presets for SDR and HDR content, Dolby Vision support and compatibility with Pioneer's trademark PQLS (Precision Quartz Locking System), which can be used with compatible Pioneer AV receivers to improve the accuracy of the signal information being sent from the player.

The newest 4K spinner expands the feature list to SACD playback, too. The analogue audio section of the UDP-LX800 is directly derived from Pioneer’s flagship PD-70AE SACD/CD player, employing the same circuit layout and pair of 32-bit, 8-channel Parallel Drive ESS Sabre DACs.
I've read a number of discussions on the LX500 and the manual and it most certainly does have SACD playback.

From the link below - Audio CD (CD-DA/SACD)/CD-ROM/CD-R/CD-RW

https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/[email protected]_HR.pdf

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Sounds similar to what the Denon BD 3800BDCI was except this plays UHD. I Still have mine and if I recall it was $2000+tax back in 2006 or 2007 when I purchased it. I guess the crazy high priced player are coming back, I thought those days were gone. I am definitely interested in this player, I only bought the oppo because it was the only option at the time. I also like this player has no apps.
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If I have no interest in SACD or DVD-A, are there any reasons to consider the LX500 over the Panny 820 for over double the price?
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If I have no interest in SACD or DVD-A, are there any reasons to consider the LX500 over the Panny 820 for over double the price?
I wouldn’t think so. You might get better 2 channel analog audio playback for CDs if you use it for that, given the akm 4490 dac. But overall, I’d save the coin.

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If I have no interest in SACD or DVD-A, are there any reasons to consider the LX500 over the Panny 820 for over double the price?

May be not but for those who will use one machine to play both audio and video discs, it is one of the most solid built player and the video quality is good. (Cannot tell audio since I do not use it to play CD/SACD).
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I wouldn’t think so. You might get better 2 channel analog audio playback for CDs if you use it for that, given the akm 4490 dac. But overall, I’d save the coin.
I won't be using it for that. I'll likely send all audio via HDMI to my Anthem MRX 520 (when I buy it, lol) and use the DAC in that (AK4458).
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Just got my LX500. The manual said it plays SACD.

In comparison with 203, it is larger and heavier. It is much slower in opening and closing of the drawer but quiter. It takes longer to read the blu-ray/UHD disc. In combination with a new Pioneer AV amp, it has the benefit of Pioneer's PQLS, the sound is clearly distinguisable from those of 203. Which sounds better depends on one's preference.

Tested it for a couple of hours, picture quality is good but seems softer than 203 and need longer hours of A/B comparison to confirm which suits my preference more.

One notable difference is that DV is a little bit brighter with 500 than 203.

I suggest you play with the settings, etc...

Because the two previous flagships 09 and 88 were judged to be better than the Oppo counterparts - even the new Panasonic 820 is said to be better than the Oppo 203 by professional reviewers.

So I would be extremely shocked if this newest 500 didn't follow suit.

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I suggest you play with the settings, etc...

Because the two previous flagships 09 and 88 were judged to be better than the Oppo counterparts - even the new Panasonic 820 is said to be better than the Oppo 203 by professional reviewers.

So I would be extremely shocked if this newest 500 didn't follow suit.


Please send links to those reviews because I have not seen a Blu-ray or UHD player that is better than the OPPO’s in picture quality or sound. I still own a BDP-83SE and a BDP-105 and I have tried a ton of other regular Blu-ray players and none compare. On the UHD side, I failed to upgrade in time so I am going to go with the LX500 but will compare with a friends 203. Should be interesting.


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Just got my LX500. The manual said it plays SACD.



In comparison with 203, it is larger and heavier. It is much slower in opening and closing of the drawer but quiter. It takes longer to read the blu-ray/UHD disc. In combination with a new Pioneer AV amp, it has the benefit of Pioneer's PQLS, the sound is clearly distinguisable from those of 203. Which sounds better depends on one's preference.


Tested it for a couple of hours, picture quality is good but seems softer than 203 and need longer hours of A/B comparison to confirm which suits my preference more.



One notable difference is that DV is a little bit brighter with 500 than 203.
Nice and congrats! If possible share some photos! Would love to see actual photos of this beast instead of just the stock photos online.
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I won't be using it for that. I'll likely send all audio via HDMI to my Anthem MRX 520 (when I buy it, lol) and use the DAC in that (AK4458).
Then definitely the 820.

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