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Are you getting your UB820 to output 12 bit 444 24p?
Yes. It'll switch to 422 for 60p automatically, assuming your display support all these modes.
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Yes. It'll switch to 422 for 60p automatically, assuming your display support all these modes.
My JVC RS500 does support those modes so not sure why it keeps flipping to 8bit bt709 444.
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Must you be outputting HDR via the Panny to be able to turn the optomizer on? I have it set to SDR.2020 and watched Jumanji 4k last night.

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Must you be outputting HDR via the Panny to be able to turn the optomizer on? I have it set to SDR.2020 and watched Jumanji 4k last night.
I have Optimizer ON, SDRBT2020 output, 2.4 gamma, BT2020 color profile.
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I have Optimizer ON, SDRBT2020 output, 2.4 gamma, BT2020 color profile.
Same here. What iris setting are you using on your projector?

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Same here. What iris setting are you using on your projector?
For now I have it wide open with auto 2. Depending on the source material, I will be experimenting with the DI a bit.
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High lamp? Not sure what model you have but if you have a HDR mode have you tried it with the Panny in HDR/BT2020 mode with the projector setting HDR. I'd like to know what you think of the difference between that and the SDR/BT2020 mode with Gamma 2.4 and the filter engaged with 2020 selected in the projector.

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I have Optimizer ON, SDRBT2020 output, 2.4 gamma, BT2020 color profile.
I have the Panny set for SDR.2020. X550 is high lamp, 2.4, 6500. I was watching Jumanji 4k and when I tried to turn the optomizer on via the Panny remote, it displayed a msg that you must be outputting HDR to use this function. What am I missing?

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I have the Panny set for SDR.2020. X550 is high lamp, 2.4, 6500. I was watching Jumanji 4k and when I tried to turn the optomizer on via the Panny remote, it displayed a msg that you must be outputting HDR to use this function. What am I missing?
If I am not mistaken, you have to press the "options" button while the disc is playing and then you will get a sub menu with the option to turn on optimizer. You will also get the option to manipulate the slider for fine tuning
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I have the Panny set for SDR.2020. X550 is high lamp, 2.4, 6500. I was watching Jumanji 4k and when I tried to turn the optomizer on via the Panny remote, it displayed a msg that you must be outputting HDR to use this function. What am I missing?
The optimizer works in SDR2020 mode. Not sure why it’s not working for you. You must be playing the UHD disk for it to work. Just make sure you inserted the UHD disk and not the Blu-ray. It’s been done many times....

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The optimizer works in SDR2020 mode. Not sure why it’s not working for you. You must be playing the UHD disk for it to work. Just make sure you inserted the UHD disk and not the Blu-ray. It’s been done many times....

This message about must be playing HDR to use this feature will come on randomly I have found as long as SDR/BT2020 was selected. Suppossedly you should be able to press the HDR settings button to get to the Optimizer but unless you are in HDR/BT2020 mode I found I always got that error. One can sneak by this by the Options menu but that has worked on and off as well. This is a bit fishy but it IS.

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I'm curious about what people think about the streaming capabilities of the UB 820, and in particular how it compares to the ATV. I use the ATV4k for streaming on my OLED, and tried it once or twice just for a few minutes with my projector and 120" scope screen (just to check some setup issues), and the ATV looked good. But tonight for the first time I streamed a Netflix movie from the Panny player itself and watched an entire movie (Mowgli). I was stunned at how good the picture looked, and how clear the image was, even though it was only an 1080p presentation. I though it looked just about as good as a disc.

I wondering if people have compared the player's streaming to the ATV and in particular whether people think the ATV would be a noticeable improvement over the streaming capabilities of the 820.
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This message about must be playing HDR to use this feature will come on randomly I have found as long as SDR/BT2020 was selected. Suppossedly you should be able to press the HDR settings button to get to the Optimizer but unless you are in HDR/BT2020 mode I found I always got that error. One can sneak by this by the Options menu but that has worked on and off as well. This is a bit fishy but it IS.
I must agree
if I have my Panny 9000 on SDR/BT2020 I [B]always [B] get the warning message its so annoying that I went back to HDR/2020 just to be sure that the optimiser was working
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if I have my Panny 9000 on SDR/BT2020 I [B]always [B] get the warning message its so annoying that I went back to HDR/2020 just to be sure that the optimiser was working
Doesn't a press and long hold of the HDR button on the Panasonic remote avoid this message? It seems like I get the message if I do a quick press of the button but not if I press and hold for a few seconds.
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Anyone seeing random five second freezes on Lionsgate titles? I've had them on "A Simple Favor" and "Hunter Killer", both of which were Redbox bluray rentals. I cleaned the disks and they were unscratched, and I have the latest firmware installed.


Toe had the same issue on "Hunter Killer" with his 820.

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Also, how might this perform with an older Epson 8350 home cinema 1080p projector. I realize the HDR features probably won't apply as projectors don't yet have the ability to descriminately brighten or darken areas as muh as OLED or other 4k TVs. But I did read some encouraging comments about the upscaling and picture enhancements from other's on here with projectors.

any advice or input is appreciated.

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Anyone seeing random five second freezes on Lionsgate titles? I've had them on "A Simple Favor" and "Hunter Killer", both of which were Redbox bluray rentals. I cleaned the disks and they were unscratched, and I have the latest firmware installed.


Toe had the same issue on "Hunter Killer" with his 820.
UHD copy of Hunter Killer here. No freezes.

Does it matter that I'm using a 4k/DV TV rather than a proj?
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I'm curious about what people think about the streaming capabilities of the UB 820, and in particular how it compares to the ATV. I use the ATV4k for streaming on my OLED, and tried it once or twice just for a few minutes with my projector and 120" scope screen (just to check some setup issues), and the ATV looked good. But tonight for the first time I streamed a Netflix movie from the Panny player itself and watched an entire movie (Mowgli). I was stunned at how good the picture looked, and how clear the image was, even though it was only an 1080p presentation. I though it looked just about as good as a disc.

I wondering if people have compared the player's streaming to the ATV and in particular whether people think the ATV would be a noticeable improvement over the streaming capabilities of the 820.
I run the A4K through the OPPO input for streaming. A while back I did a quick comparison of through the OPPO or direct to the JVC 640 and going through the OPPO seemed better. SO, when I did my comparison between the 820 and OPPO. Perhaps the OPPO was doing some nice processing on the A4K.

In any case, a 1080p movie should not have HDR so the 820 must be doing some other processing. What would be interesting would be to compare the A4K output with the 820 for the same Netflix movie. It should be noted that your internet BW will play a huge part in the quality level so doing both together will be a more valid test....

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What would be interesting would be to compare the A4K output with the 820 for the same Netflix movie.
Yes, and since the 820 doesn't have Hulu, I might end up buying the A4k eventually anyway. If I do, I'll have to do the comparison.
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Does the 820 have issues with macroblocking or other artifacts when converting HDR to SDR 2020 from UHD Blu-rays? I currently have an Oppo 203 and it has these problems. I am going to pick up an 820 if you guys indicate the tone-mapping works the way it should.

Thanks in advance for your help!
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[QUOTE=jaychatbonneau;57545724]Does the 820 have issues with macroblocking or other artifacts when converting HDR to SDR 2020 from UHD Blu-rays? I currently have an Oppo 203 and it has these problems. I am going to pick up an 820 if you guys indicate the tone-mapping works the way it should.

Thanks in advance for your help![/QUOTE

I have an OPPO 203 and I recently picked up a Panny 820. As far as spinning UHD/HDR Discs and using the SDR BT2020 output with the recommended (Bt2020 profile, 2.4 gamma, optimzer on) settings, the Panny clearly does a better job. Most significantly, it retains the full color volume whereas the OPPO clips the color down to BT709 coordinates. In comparison, I have found that it also retains more highlights without sacrificing APL scenes while avoiding nasties such as macrblocking and banding. After fine tuning with the optimizer slider, it just produces a consistently stunning and stable picture. If you are running a projector and mostly use UHD Discs, the UB820 is just about essential.

Now, from what I have observed thus far, when it comes to streaming 4K HDR stuff (Netflix, Prime etc), I much prefer using my ROKU ULTRA via the OPPO HDMI input over using the internal apps of the UB820. I still have some experimenting to do with regard to streaming but so far I like the OPPO/ROKU better for this purpose.
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Now, from what I have observed thus far, when it comes to streaming 4K HDR stuff (Netflix, Prime etc), I much prefer using my ROKU ULTRA via the OPPO HDMI input over using the internal apps of the UB820. I still have some experimenting to do with regard to streaming but so far I like the OPPO/ROKU better for this purpose.
Could you elaborate a little on what differences you see? Is it sharpness? Less artifacts? Color profile?
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Could you elaborate a little on what differences you see? Is it sharpness? Less artifacts? Color profile?
From an objective point of view, I find the internal apps a bit buggy and that is represented by noticeable audio/video synch error with netflix and, to a lesser extent, Amazon. I have tried using delay but somehow I can't seem to find the right balance. From a subjective point of view, I prefer the user interface of the ROKU and it seems to be generally more stable. And while I can't really explain why, I find the PQ as a whole is slightly better over the ROKU/OPPO. Like I said, I have to do some more experimenting with the various streaming services and how to get the most out of the UB820 (I have only had the 820 for a few days). As a Projector owner, the primary reason for getting the UB820 is to spin UHD Disc in SDR BT2020 mode with Optimizer on---tweaked to taste with the slider. And in that regard, I am way past satisfied.
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Thanks for your thoughts, atabea.
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There is a new Firmware update (version 1.51) available this morning for my 820. Wonder if anyone know what it’s about ? Thanks
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Thanks . I wish they update the firmware to let us play movies at 24p on Netflix as they should be !!!
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There is a new Firmware update (version 1.51) available this morning for my 820. Wonder if anyone know what it’s about ? Thanks
This is interesting, as the new unit I deployed 10 days or so ago, already came loaded with 1.51, and it was manufactured in December 2018. So they've had this firmware in production for over a month before they allowed it for over-the-air updates.

Not surprised, I do that myself with my company's product, the new firmware is tested internally, then several external users test, then we use to flash production products and when we are certain it's very stable, we set the OTA update system to allow the new firmware update in the wild.

I took a picture of the Firmware version of my new unit as soon as I set it up (1/26/19) and prior to running a firmware update check (quicker than writing it down), and happen to still have the pic, see attached.

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And since I'm here, these are my impressions after a bit more tweaking and watching a complete movie on the 820:

Tweaking, thanks for the tips on the test patterns found on Sony discs, that was helpful in fine-tuning the settings on the 820 and the PJ (JVC 4810).

Since my Sony disc happened to be 'Passengers' and it had been a while since I watched it (pre-Atmos rig and pre-Panny), that was what played in the theater last night. And WOW! was that immersive, the visuals are so rich and the tone-mapped HDR really pops on this flick with lots of space scenes. I've never seen an image look this good in my theater.
The Atmos soundtrack must be really good, as I hardly noticed the sound (and I'm very picky there). The room shook a few times when called for, one notices that (I run an Infinite Baffle sub + 3 other subs, including 2x MBMs), but the Atmos mix was so seamless, it all just melded with the picture and we were in the movie the entire time.

But back to the 820, it's just downright amazing what it does for those of us with 1080p input projectors. I feel like I just got a new PJ.

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Maybe "system stability" equates to NetFlix audio delay.

I'll try tonight.

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