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Yeah that makes sense. Makes me wonder which tone mapper, player vs tv is more “pure.” Seems obvious enough you pretty much need some kind of tone mapping or you are losing data but after that fact, which is right. Which is better. It’s hard to say!
It'd make more sense if display devices handled it as they should know categorically what they are capable of so should be able to optimize. Most TV manufacturers seem to like to spend an ridiculous amount of time and money on everything else. I mean if they spent even half the amount they spend on firmware frippery (like useless "smart" applications or streaming apps that you are better off using a dedicated device for, or motion "enhancement" schemes that I believe no real AV enthusiast would use, etc), TVs would be as fantastic as AVRs. Could you imagine with an AVR and speaker setup if you wanted a half decent output you'd need to hire someone to tune it? The room correction stuff they have in AVRs is fantastic. TV and projector manufacturers could easily do the same. Supply a nice paired colorimeter or the like, and room correction functions...

The whole idea of player and third party device gamma curves really are to cater for the fact the TVs don't even bother.
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The whole idea of player and third party device gamma curves really are to cater for the fact the TVs don't even bother.
The real problem is this wasn't addressed when the HDR10 standard was ratified.
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Yeah that makes sense. Makes me wonder which tone mapper, player vs tv is more “pure.” Seems obvious enough you pretty much need some kind of tone mapping or you are losing data but after that fact, which is right. Which is better. It’s hard to say!
I would think the UB820 tone mapping is meant to be accurate. They even tell you that, to enjoy the originally intended image of the source”, which sliders should kept be in the 0 position.

Vincent's comment also alluded to that.

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I had some downtime at work today and re-watched Vincent's video on the HDR Optimizer. Two things I noticed this go-around:

1. Vincent talks about how the Optimizer can give the TV information that is "More easy to process" but he never shows both working at the same time.
2. He makes a point to show that the OLED's Dynamic Tone Mapping by itself dims the overall picture, but does not say/show what the effect is if you were to use the Optimizer and TV Tone Mapper together.


Going back to what you said... so the optimizer really does work WITH your TV? You really don't "Lose data" by using both?
1. Vincent talks about how the Optimizer can give the TV information that is "More easy to process" but he never shows both working at the same time.

I guess I'm not sure we watched the same video. I watched him demonstrate every combination.

2. He makes a point to show that the OLED's Dynamic Tone Mapping by itself dims the overall picture, but does not say/show what the effect is if you were to use the Optimizer and TV Tone Mapper together.

Yes he did. During the bright sun scene he demonstrated Dynamic Tone Mapping On combined with Optimzer Off and On. Optimizer and Dynamic Tone Mapping was the best combination in my opinion.
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1) Will this pass DV through a LG C9?
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2) Does it passthrough DTS-X Yes

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I have an RS500 projector with a 170" 1.3 gain Carada screen in a light controlled theater with 7.1.4 atmos setup with a Marantz receiver and Audiosource amp for 2 of the ceiling speakers. Usually, I use my Roku Ultra for Netflix or Amazon or Vudu. I buy most streaming movies in UHD through Vudu because they are 4K HDR and have Atmos. ChadB calibrated my projector. I love it but, obviously, could use a lot of brightness. Most UHD HDR movies are fine through Vudu but some are way too dark. Matrix last night is a great example of too dark to watch. Aquaman was absolutely bright enough. I watch and buy some 4K UHD discs, have about 50 discs, but am migrating to Vudu because it's just plain easier. I can use Amazon to stream any purchased movie through Vudu because of Movies Anywhere. I see that the DP-UB820 cannot do Vudu. I would love Vudu, but not sure Panasonic will come out with an app.

Is there a Movies Anywhere app on the DP-UB820? Can the Amazon app stream UHD? Atmos?

I'm not ready to upgrade to the JVC NX7, but I have my eye on the next-generation JVC projectors. Maybe a year or two...

Do any of you with projectors, maybe even the RS5xxx series, have some thoughts on how well this player works for the older JVCs and for streaming with Amazon/Netflix. Any thoughts on how much Tone Mapping has helped with these projectors with discs and with streaming?

Thanks!
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Dynamic metadata

Hi folks

Does the 820 support dynamic metadata or does it tone map on a disc by disc basis?

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Does the 820 support dynamic metadata or does it tone map on a disc by disc basis?
Disc by disc only.

The only dynamic tone mapping options are MadVR via HTPC (or possibly the announced Envy box), or Lumagen Radiance Pro, as far as I am aware.
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Disc by disc only.

The only dynamic tone mapping options are MadVR via HTPC (or possibly the announced Envy box), or Lumagen Radiance Pro, as far as I am aware.
Ok, thanks, I think the new 2019 Panny models recently announced incorporate dynamic meta data on a frame by frame basis...

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Ok, thanks, I think the new 2019 Panny models recently announced incorporate dynamic meta data on a frame by frame basis...
Yo might be confusing terms.

Dynamic Metadata is present in Dolby VIsion and HDR10+ titles where the metadata values change on a scene by scene basis. It could change on frame by frame as well but not typically done that way. HDR10 titles contain static metadata where the values do not change.

The UB820 does not support HDR Optimizer tone mapping of either Dolby Vision or HDR10+ titles. It only supports HDR10 that has static metadata. The Optimizer looks at the HDR10 static metadata to determine how to tone map.

Some TV brands including LG have Dynamic Tone Mapping that analyzes each frame and tone maps accordingly. The only external devices/players that currently can perform Dynamic Tone Mapping are the Lumagen Pro and a PC running MadVR.

I am not aware of new 2019 Panasonic players inclusion of Dynamic Tone Mapping. It would be really big news if true.
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Yo might be confusing terms.

Dynamic Metadata is present in Dolby VIsion and HDR10+ titles where the metadata values change on a scene by scene basis. It could change on frame by frame as well but not typically done that way. HDR10 titles contain static metadata where the values do not change.

The UB820 does not support HDR Optimizer tone mapping of either Dolby Vision or HDR10+ titles. It only supports HDR10 that has static metadata. The Optimizer looks at the HDR10 static metadata to determine how to tone map.

Some TV brands including LG have Dynamic Tone Mapping that analyzes each frame and tone maps accordingly. The only external devices/players that currently can perform Dynamic Tone Mapping are the Lumagen Pro and a PC running MadVR.
Got it...yes I was confused...it does look like the new models have some increased tone mapping functionality however...thanks for the clarification

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I have an RS500 projector with a 170" 1.3 gain Carada screen in a light controlled theater with 7.1.4 atmos setup with a Marantz receiver and Audiosource amp for 2 of the ceiling speakers. Usually, I use my Roku Ultra for Netflix or Amazon or Vudu. I buy most streaming movies in UHD through Vudu because they are 4K HDR and have Atmos. ChadB calibrated my projector. I love it but, obviously, could use a lot of brightness. Most UHD HDR movies are fine through Vudu but some are way too dark. Matrix last night is a great example of too dark to watch. Aquaman was absolutely bright enough. I watch and buy some 4K UHD discs, have about 50 discs, but am migrating to Vudu because it's just plain easier. I can use Amazon to stream any purchased movie through Vudu because of Movies Anywhere. I see that the DP-UB820 cannot do Vudu. I would love Vudu, but not sure Panasonic will come out with an app.

Is there a Movies Anywhere app on the DP-UB820? Can the Amazon app stream UHD? Atmos?

I'm not ready to upgrade to the JVC NX7, but I have my eye on the next-generation JVC projectors. Maybe a year or two...

Do any of you with projectors, maybe even the RS5xxx series, have some thoughts on how well this player works for the older JVCs and for streaming with Amazon/Netflix. Any thoughts on how much Tone Mapping has helped with these projectors with discs and with streaming?

Thanks!
Your 170" screen is your limiting factor. I did not know that Movies Anywhere titles can be played in the Amazon App. The only Apps that the UB820 has are Netflix and Amazon Video.

With that sized screen and a JVC RS500, I would configure the UB820 to SDR/BT2020 mode with HDR Optimizer turned ON and the JVC to a user mode configured with BT.2020 color profile and 2.4 gamma.
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The UB820 does not support HDR Optimizer tone mapping of either Dolby Vision or HDR10+ titles. It only supports HDR10 that has static metadata. The Optimizer looks at the HDR10 static metadata to determine how to tone map.
To what extent does the UB820 support Dolby Vision and HDR10+? Does it just do a passthrough?

EDIT: I see that you’ve just answered that question in the next post.

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Got it...yes I was confused...it does look like the new models have some increased tone mapping functionality however...thanks for the clarification

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- Supports HDR10+ dynamic metadata technology

Nothing new here that I know of. The UB820 also supports HDR10+ if your TV supports it. Support for HDR10+ dynamic metadata simply means that the UB820 and the new players support pass through of the metadata to your HDR10+ TV that performs the tone mapping. None of the Panasonic players can tone map HDR10+. None can tone map Dolby Vision either.
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To what extent does the UB820 support Dolby Vision and HDR10+? Does it just do a passthrough?
A bit more processing than just pass through, especially when playing a Dolby Vision title connected to a Sony TV. But it is not able to tone map either.

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- Supports HDR10+ dynamic metadata technology

Nothing new here that I know of. The UB820 also supports HDR10+ if your TV supports it. Support for HDR10+ dynamic metadata simply means that the UB820 and the new players support pass through of the metadata to your HDR10+ TV that performs the tone mapping. None of the Panasonic players can tone map HDR10+. None can tone map Dolby Vision either.
Awesome! No need to wait for the new players then...thanks for clarifying...

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Awesome! No need to wait for the new players then...thanks for clarifying...
The UB450 doesn’t seem to have HDR Optimizer.
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The UB450 doesn’t seem to have HDR Optimizer.

Wow, can’t imagine they are stepping backwards, but ya never know!

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Do any of you with projectors, maybe even the RS5xxx series, have some thoughts on how well this player works for the older JVCs and for streaming with Amazon/Netflix. Any thoughts on how much Tone Mapping has helped with these projectors with discs and with streaming?
I have an RS400 on a 136" 2.35:1 (144" 16x9 equivalent) screen, also a 1.3 gain Carada (too bad they went out of business). I am also waiting (hopefully) for the next generation JVC projector. I don't think I have ever streamed on the UB820 but discs look amazing in SDR2020 and there are a few JVC owners who have also been calibrated but still migrated to SDR2020 on the UB820 (you are still using the color and gamma calibration). Claw is exactly correct in the proper setup of the UB820. Link to my step-by-step UB820 & JVC Guide (clicky).

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I would configure the UB820 to SDR/BT2020 mode with HDR Optimizer turned ON and the JVC to a user mode configured with BT.2020 color profile and 2.4 gamma.
Correctamundo good sir!
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A bit more processing than just pass through, especially when playing a Dolby Vision title connected to a Sony TV. But it is not able to tone map either.
I guess I was expecting too much. I thought it would tone-map based on the Dolby Vision dynamic metadata and output SDR or fixed HDR.

I will most likely return the player since it’s not doing much for me.
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I guess I was expecting too much. I thought it would tone-map based on the Dolby Vision dynamic metadata and output SDR or fixed HDR.

I will most likely return the player since it’s not doing much for me.
So, Dominic, unless I missed it along the way, you do not have a HDFury device to retain the DI in your RS500---which would therefore mean you still prefer the Arve Curves (with no DI) over the 820's SDR 2020 mode/tone mapping? Just wondering.
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So, Dominic, unless I missed it along the way, you do not have a HDFury device to retain the DI in your RS500---which would therefore mean you still prefer the Arve Curves (with no DI) over the 820's SDR 2020 mode/tone mapping? Just wondering.
Actually I do have a Linker. Otherwise Gamma D would drive me crazy.
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Actually I do have a Linker. Otherwise Gamma D would drive me crazy.
OK, that explains it. I couldn't see how anyone would willingly suffer the constant Gamma D switching.

I do not have a Linker so the 820 SDR2020 mode was a life saver
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I have an RS400 on a 136" 2.35:1 (144" 16x9 equivalent) screen, also a 1.3 gain Carada (too bad they went out of business). I am also waiting (hopefully) for the next generation JVC projector. I don't think I have ever streamed on the UB820 but discs look amazing in SDR2020 and there are a few JVC owners who have also been calibrated but still migrated to SDR2020 on the UB820 (you are still using the color and gamma calibration). Claw is exactly correct in the proper setup of the UB820. Link to my step-by-step UB820 & JVC Guide (clicky).


Correctamundo good sir!
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I will try your settings.
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UBK90 Vs. UBD820 on LG OLED

I purchased an LG UBK90 last week to accompany my LG OLED65B7P. After putting in a Man of Steel 1080p bluray, I was very dissatisfied with the upscaling. It looked worse than it did when played on my old Sony bluray player hooked up my LG OLED, meaning it appeared the LG OLED upscaling was better than the DVD player’s. Being that there is no way to turn off the upscaling on the UBK90 and that I’m giving my old HTIB to my in-laws, this is annoying for the remainder of my collection.
I’ve also learned about the UBD820’s tone-mapping capabilities and am curious if I’d see diminishing returns/competing interests in that regard when coupled with the LG OLEDs capabilities for the price.
Asked a similar question on the UBK90 Owner’s thread with no response.
So, having about six days to return the UBK90, I’ve ordered the UBD820 to compare the two (almost) side-by-side. I will compare upscaling and dynamic range/PQ of the two. The only 4K DVDs I own thus far are “Into the Spiderverse” and “Dynasties.” I will likely borrow a friend’s copy of “Into the Spiderverse” for direct comparison.
I’m pretty new to all this so am looking for advice on how to test the two platforms, comparatively (i.e. what settings to use, test pictures to view, scenes to examine, etc.). I am an Amazon Prime member, so I can view the Altered Carbon scene referenced in an earlier post.

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I fired up the 820 after quick setup with Harmony Elite to replace my Philips 4k. I wish it had Vudu but Netflix had Atmos and HDR and Amazon plays all of my Vudu movies through Movies Anywhere (only a few in UHD and none so far in Atmos). I think I like BT2020 rather than SD2020. I enjoy fiddling with brightness through the Dynamic HDR adjustment. I have a 170" screen but with dark cave I'm okay with the amount of light. I probably could spend more time with settings but I am currently using ChadB's HDR settings on my JVC RS500. The light on the screen for HDR Netflix/Amazon shows and movies is dramatically improved from the light I was seeing with my Amazon Fire TV adapter or my Roku Ultra. Love it!

I have noticed some jerkiness with playback of most material. I think it was most obvious in Amazon material. Hopefully that won't continue.
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I fired up the 820 after quick setup with Harmony Elite to replace my Philips 4k. I wish it had Vudu but Netflix had Atmos and HDR and Amazon plays all of my Vudu movies through Movies Anywhere (only a few in UHD and none so far in Atmos). I think I like BT2020 rather than SD2020. I enjoy fiddling with brightness through the Dynamic HDR adjustment. I have a 170" screen but with dark cave I'm okay with the amount of light. I probably could spend more time with settings but I am currently using ChadB's HDR settings on my JVC RS500. The light on the screen for HDR Netflix/Amazon shows and movies is dramatically improved from the light I was seeing with my Amazon Fire TV adapter or my Roku Ultra. Love it!

I have noticed some jerkiness with playback of most material. I think it was most obvious in Amazon material. Hopefully that won't continue.
Is the 'jerkiness' like a stutter than starts up after 10. minutes of viewing? If so, welcome the the 820 app.
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I was popping from Amazon movie to Amazon show to Netflix movie to Netflix show then to disc trying it out today, so I never got past about 3 minutes.

I read about the jerkiness that other users have had and am really psyched to join the club... when I find it with longer viewing of streaming material.

Any of you who have not tried Vudu, it is a great platform for streaming new movies because it has UHD (HDR) with ATMOS in every new release.

Having said that, I really just need a lot of people to complain that the Panny 820 doesn't have Vudu so Panasonic will roll out the app. Then I don't have to hope Amazon will have an UHD version through my Movies Anywhere link. A Movies Anywhere app would be fine, as well.
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I am an Amazon Prime member, so I can view the Altered Carbon scene referenced in an earlier post.

Altered Carbon is a Netflix title, not Amazon.

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I was popping from Amazon movie to Amazon show to Netflix movie to Netflix show then to disc trying it out today, so I never got past about 3 minutes.

I read about the jerkiness that other users have had and am really psyched to join the club... when I find it with longer viewing of streaming material.

Any of you who have not tried Vudu, it is a great platform for streaming new movies because it has UHD (HDR) with ATMOS in every new release.

Having said that, I really just need a lot of people to complain that the Panny 820 doesn't have Vudu so Panasonic will roll out the app. Then I don't have to hope Amazon will have an UHD version through my Movies Anywhere link. A Movies Anywhere app would be fine, as well.

Used Netflix and Amazon with the 820 and never issues with stuttering. On a few occasions I've seen the quality "catch up" after startup (within seconds). I'm wired and GigE doesn't hurt either.

As for Vudu? Don't think you'll see it if it hasn't been included by now. I used to look for players that had the most streaming services and would get that one but the only worthwhile services are the ones mentioned. I have older players from Toshiba and Panasonic that have discontinued streaming services. I don't use Vudu much these days so no issue not having it on the player. If I want to stream either of the two without using my audio system, I'll do it from the 950G. If I want the audio bang then I'll use the 820. Others use the cable option because they can talk to the remote and could care less about the AV quality.

I used to even have CinemaNow and Blockbuster streaming back when they were a thing.
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