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post #4261 of 5152 Old 04-30-2019, 05:57 PM
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Quick reminder for me.


Using the JVC NX7 and the UB820. The UB820 has a basic luminence or projector setting which adjusts things to 500 nits. The 9000 has two projector settings high luminence which adjusts to 500 nits and basic luminence which adjusts down to 350 nits.


So for the NX7 and UB820 magical synergy, following the rest of the JVC instructions, since the UB820 only has on projector luminence setting, should you use the Pana_PQ_BL or Pana_PQ_HL color profile on the JVC ? One definitely looks a little brighter than the other.


I assume you use the HL color profile on the JVC using the UB820 as that is tone mapping to 500 nits.



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That seems to be the recommended settings but quite a few here have said they like the BL setting with the 820. Set it whichever way looks best to you and makes you happy. The BL mode will automatically engage the color filter on the 7 and 9 so that may be preferable by some.

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Quick reminder for me.


Using the JVC NX7 and the UB820. The UB820 has a basic luminence or projector setting which adjusts things to 500 nits. The 9000 has two projector settings high luminence which adjusts to 500 nits and basic luminence which adjusts down to 350 nits.


So for the NX7 and UB820 magical synergy, following the rest of the JVC instructions, since the UB820 only has on projector luminence setting, should you use the Pana_PQ_BL or Pana_PQ_HL color profile on the JVC ? One definitely looks a little brighter than the other.

I assume you use the HL color profile on the JVC using the UB820 as that is tone mapping to 500 nits.

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Kris Deering addressed the UB820 options in the JVC thread.

The High Luminance Projector mode in the UB9000 and the Basic Luminance mode in the UB820 are absolutely identical in every way. The only downside to the new color profiles is the high luminance one doesn't use the color filter, so you lose some color saturation. This was done for those that are really hurting for light and can't or didn't want to take the luminance hit. If you wanted to take full advantage of the full gamut coverage and you only have the UB820, you can use either SDR2020 output, which still does a tremendous job, or you can use the basic luminance projector mode and turn the JVC to its auto tone mapping. The result should be VERY similar since it will be tone mapping to a fixed 500 nits.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57801216

Summarizing his suggestions:

1. UB820 Basic Projector Display Type (500 nits) with JVC High Luminance Color Profile (500 nits).
- Results in a brighter picture as the JVC Color Filter is not used.
- Results in some loss of color saturation because the filter is not used.

2. UB820 SDR/BT2020 mode with JVC 2.4 Gamma.
- No loss of color saturation.

3. UB820 Basic Projector Display Type (500 nits) with JVC Auto-Tone Mapping.
- No loss of color saturation.

The advantage of the UB9000 over the UB820 is that you can combine the 350 nit UB9000 Projector Display Type with the 350 nit JVC Color Profile and retain full color saturation since the Color Filter is enabled.

And no, I won't comment on why Kris did not suggest using the 500 nit UB820 Display Type with the JVC 350 nit Color Profile. You would need to ask Kris.

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I have a really basic question. I just set up my UB820 and began watching a BR disk. I wasn't able to finish the movie so I turned off the player. When I went back to resume, the player began the movie at the beginning again. Am I missing a setting to have the player save the position in the movie?

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I have a really basic question. I just set up my UB820 and began watching a BR disk. I wasn't able to finish the movie so I turned off the player. When I went back to resume, the player began the movie at the beginning again. Am I missing a setting to have the player save the position in the movie?

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It depends on the disc itself whether it will start from the beginning or ask to resume.
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The advantage of the UB9000 over the UB820 is that you can combine the 350 nit UB9000 Projector Display Type with the 350 nit JVC Color Profile and retain full color saturation since the Color Filter is enabled.

And no, I won't comment on why Kris did not suggest using the 500 nit UB820 Display Type with the JVC 350 nit Color Profile. You would need to ask Kris.
I believe the answer is implied in his previous comments, i.e.,
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The modes on the 9000 are not meant to be used specifically for the JVC. They can be used with any projector. The difference is the work done with JVC means that the JVC color profiles are setup to work perfectly with the 9000 modes, where other projectors have their own tone map that the Panasonic doesn't really know anything about (what the curve is), so the results can vary significantly.

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It depends on the disc itself whether it will start from the beginning or ask to resume.

I need to verify this, but I believe my Oppo 103d always remembers and asks if I want to resume. I find this a bit annoying myself on the Panny 824/820.


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Anyway to adjust the UB820 so Amazon Prime Video UHD content won't stutter? I've read this is a common issue with APV on many devices.
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I need to verify this, but I believe my Oppo 103d always remembers and asks if I want to resume. I find this a bit annoying myself on the Panny 824/820.


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I had a Sony DVD player that remembered up to 50 discs placement even when removed. Haven't heard of any Blu-ray players with this ability.
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Yes. With the 1.55 firmware there has been no change. Still getting Atmos from Netflix. On the other hand, I have never received Atmos from Amazon.
Thanks for that update! Despite having read reports that the Yamaha RX-A3080 was capable of Netflix Atmos from the UB820, I had a friend bring over his RX-A1080 and I still only got DD 5.1. Since I can't find any RX-A3080 to buy that I could return (even for a restocking fee) if I can't get Netflix Atmos, it looks like I'll be purchasing either a Denon 6400 or 6500 as soon as I see whether the Panasonic internet app "fix" in mid-May allows my current AVR to do Atmos with either/both Netflix and Amazon. Really frustrating!!
I was in a similar position of frustration to you, but rather than going through all the angst of researching and dealing with a new amp, assuming it's only related to this streaming Atmos issue, I would recommend forgoing trying to use the UB820/9000 for streaming and get an AppleTV 4K for streaming, and go refurb via Apple if you want the cheapest option possible. Even if you solve the Atmos issue you will never get 24Hz for native content. After a recent update the ATV4K PQ on these apps is now parity with my UB9000. Panasonic are simply not interested in supporting or improving these streaming apps, albeit at this point you will lose the tone-mapping if you go ATV4K. And I say this as someone that hated everything Apple and refused to ever buy any of their hardware, but currently they have the best overall compatible 4K HDR streaming device.
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Summarizing his suggestions:

1. UB820 Basic Projector Display Type (500 nits) with JVC High Luminance Color Profile (500 nits).
- Results in a brighter picture as the JVC Color Filter is not used.
- Results in some loss of color saturation because the filter is not used.

2. UB820 SDR/BT2020 mode with JVC 2.4 Gamma.
- No loss of color saturation.

3. UB820 Basic Projector Display Type (500 nits) with JVC Auto-Tone Mapping.
- No loss of color saturation.

The advantage of the UB9000 over the UB820 is that you can combine the 350 nit UB9000 Projector Display Type with the 350 nit JVC Color Profile and retain full color saturation since the Color Filter is enabled.

And no, I won't comment on why Kris did not suggest using the 500 nit UB820 Display Type with the JVC 350 nit Color Profile. You would need to ask Kris.

Thank you sir. This explains it perfectly.

Option 1 if you want the brightness and willing to sacrifice a little color.

Option 2 or 3 have pretty much same results, sacrificing a little brightness for better color.
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I was in a similar position of frustration to you, but rather than going through all the angst of researching and dealing with a new amp, assuming it's only related to this streaming Atmos issue, I would recommend forgoing trying to use the UB820/9000 for streaming and get an AppleTV 4K for streaming, and go refurb via Apple if you want the cheapest option possible. Even if you solve the Atmos issue you will never get 24Hz for native content. After a recent update the ATV4K PQ on these apps is now parity with my UB9000. Panasonic are simply not interested in supporting or improving these streaming apps, albeit at this point you will lose the tone-mapping if you go ATV4K. And I say this as someone that hated everything Apple and refused to ever buy any of their hardware, but currently they have the best overall compatible 4K HDR streaming device.
Yes, I certainly remember your frustration when the RX-A3070 didn't stream in Atmos from the UB820's Netflix app. I do have an ATV4K (primarily for iTunes movies) and I use the NX7's Auto Tone mapping for a quite solid video presentation. However, HDR on the ATV4K is definitely a step down from double tone mapping (both the 820 & NX7). The only 2 posters (one of which being you) who have attested to the RX-A3080 getting Netflix Atmos from the UB820 are both located in the U.K. My fear, based on the RX-A1080 only receiving DD 5.1, is that there may be something in the European version of the Yamaha AVR that's lacking in the US model & that I'll be S.O.L. if I buy the RX-A3080.

I've finally decided NOT to buy a new Denon AVR specifically because I actually have 2 distinct speaker patterns in my HT: Atmos with front ceiling and DTS:X with front height. Unlike the RX-A3050, the Denon doesn't seem to provide 2 separate speaker configurations (at least according to the user manual). This is a deal breaker for me.
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Thank you sir. This explains it perfectly.

Option 1 if you want the brightness and willing to sacrifice a little color.

Option 2 or 3 have pretty much same results, sacrificing a little brightness for better color.
Option 2 or 3 do not necessarily sacrifice brightness. You can decide on BT.2020 (with filter) or HDR (without filter), for the colour profile.
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Option 2 or 3 do not necessarily sacrifice brightness. You can decide on BT.2020 (with filter) or HDR (without filter), for the colour profile.
Gee it'd be nice if JVC bring out a "budget" laser model like Sony has. If they did, with all the above features, I'd be looking to upgrade and have it as my final projector.
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Gee it'd be nice if JVC bring out a "budget" laser model like Sony has. If they did, with all the above features, I'd be looking to upgrade and have it as my final projector.
I guess people have quite a bit of variation in what is meant by “budget”.
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Does Panasonic have any plans to give us UB820 owners the 350 nit profile this is crazy why we didn't get it.
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I have a really basic question. I just set up my UB820 and began watching a BR disk. I wasn't able to finish the movie so I turned off the player. When I went back to resume, the player began the movie at the beginning again. Am I missing a setting to have the player save the position in the movie?
I thought I read somewhere that the option to resume only is displayed on the 820 for a certain amount of time. So you have to make sure that you have your display and other equipment in the chain all "on" and ready to go before you start the player again with the disc in it. So, for example, if you have a projector that takes a while to boot up and you start the 820 first, you could miss the "resume" option on the 820 by the time the projector displays the image.

This is my memory of what I read, and I've made sure the last couple of times to start the 820 last in the sequence and I was able to resume the disk where i left off.

I could be wrong about this, but this is my understanding.
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Does Panasonic have any plans to give us UB820 owners the 350 nit profile this is crazy why we didn't get it.
Why is it crazy?
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I thought I read somewhere that the option to resume only is displayed on the 820 for a certain amount of time. So you have to make sure that you have your display and other equipment in the chain all "on" and ready to go before you start the player again with the disc in it. So, for example, if you have a projector that takes a while to boot up and you start the 820 first, you could miss the "resume" option on the 820 by the time the projector displays the image.

This is my memory of what I read, and I've made sure the last couple of times to start the 820 last in the sequence and I was able to resume the disk where i left off.

I could be wrong about this, but this is my understanding.
It does depend on the disc. If a non BD Java, it always works, so long as not to too many discs ago (eg my Ps3 has infinite, so I can put in a disc 5 years later and it will resume). I'm not sure how many discs the panasonic will remember.

If the disc is bd java, it needs whomever is mastering to include the facilty for it in the code. And a lot of them don't. So many TV series I watch doesn't so makes it hard to continue
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Why is it crazy?
Because I'm sure UB820 is the highest selling unit. So why put that feature on a high priced unit that really not going to do the same numbers as the step below model. Use that as a selling point to move even more units on the model that not priced astronomical.

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A very basic question (sorry if it is a dumb one) about the SDR2020 mode of Panasonic and the Iris setting of a JVC projector (RS400).

I have a small screen, short throw distance and relatively new lamp, so quite bit of light output (for a projector).

I use low lamp mode all the time.

For SDR content, I close the iris as much as possible (-15 I think).

For HDR content and with the Panasonic in HDR mode (optimizer on, custom curve in my JVC), I open the iris as much as possible.

But I’m wondering what should be done with the iris when the Panasonic is in SDR-2020 mode. Still open because the basic content is still HDR? Or more closed because of the conversion?

And does using the Auto/Digital iris (auto 2) change anything?

I’ll try and find a setting that I like, but I just wanted to know what the general practice is when using SDR 2020. I have only a very limited technical understanding of what exactly happens during this conversion.

(Apologies if this question was answered already, then I missed it).
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But I’m wondering what should be done with the iris when the Panasonic is in SDR-2020 mode. Still open because the basic content is still HDR? Or more closed because of the conversion?
That's a very good question. To get the highlights as bright as possible, one would use the same projector setting as HDR (except for the gamma), although some people prefer to close the iris down a bit to get better contrast. Panasonic’s HDR to SDR conversion does not seem to take into consideration the display’s peak luminance, so one would have to use the Panasonic’s controls to achieve the desired “diffuse white” level and the highlight roll off etc.
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A very basic question (sorry if it is a dumb one) about the SDR2020 mode of Panasonic and the Iris setting of a JVC projector (RS400).

I have a small screen, short throw distance and relatively new lamp, so quite bit of light output (for a projector).

I use low lamp mode all the time.

For SDR content, I close the iris as much as possible (-15 I think).

For HDR content and with the Panasonic in HDR mode (optimizer on, custom curve in my JVC), I open the iris as much as possible.

But I’m wondering what should be done with the iris when the Panasonic is in SDR-2020 mode. Still open because the basic content is still HDR? Or more closed because of the conversion?

And does using the Auto/Digital iris (auto 2) change anything?

I’ll try and find a setting that I like, but I just wanted to know what the general practice is when using SDR 2020. I have only a very limited technical understanding of what exactly happens during this conversion.

(Apologies if this question was answered already, then I missed it).
I think the main concept to keep in mind is that this type of 'SDR' isn't the same as the regular SDR you would have with a conventional Blu-ray. The SDR part of SDR-2020 sent by the UB-820 can be referred to as 'HDR-Lite' to help make this distinction.

Full and accurate HDR display would require a Projector capable of showing anywhere between 1,000 and 10,000 nits, depending on how rigorous you want to be in terms of the definitions. Since none of them come even close, the full HDR range has to be compressed into a narrower range that the Projector can handle. That process is called "Tone-mapping." It can take place in the Player, external Video device (Radiance Pro, MadVR, the upcoming Envy, etc.), the Projector, etc. The idea is that it maximizes the use of the available dynamic range of a given projector and set-up, to provide the least amount of compromise in displaying HDR content.

So given all that, it would be expected that you would use different settings on your Projector to take full advantage of what it can do, for 'SDR-lite' than you would for conventional SDR. This would often include opening up the Iris, and/or switching to High Lamp. How much, and which options, to use, will depend on the specifics of one's set-up (screen size and gain, throw distance, etc.).

Using the Dynamic Iris (Auto 2 is usually spoken of as the preferred choice, as it is less 'aggressive') is a separate consideration. The goal here is to again maximize the available dynamic range of the Projector, so on at least a theoretical basis, its use would be encouraged. The downside is that its use can be associated with various artifacts (Iris 'pumping', Gamma 'blooming', etc.). How much of an issue these are will vary from system to system, and sensitivity to these will vary from person to person, so some use it, some don't.

For me, the benefits outweigh the negatives, so I leave it engaged.

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ETA: Dominic posted as I was composing my reply, and his comments are always on-point!
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Because I'm sure UB820 is the highest selling unit. So why put that feature on a high priced unit that really not going to do the same numbers as the step below model. Use that as a selling point to move even more units on the model that not priced astronomical.
That might indeed make sense. But then again, the folks at Panasonic who are in the know might have other objectives or considerations in mind.
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With regards of the non-resume, I've been loosing my mind over this as well the past few days. Frankly, looking for reasons to return my Epson 5040UB and the 820 BR. I've also noticed when I touch the "stop" button, it doesn't stop for about 8-9 seconds and during this time nothing else works. Seems to be related to the thing not resuming as it doesn't do it with the DVD's I've been using thus far (just starting to develop a BR library now) I've searched up and down, only found that with Java enabled disks it will not resume - says right in the instruction manual. Never having owned a BR player before this one, I was about the blame Panasonic for a junk unit. However, although it may be a junk unit as far as usability, it doesn't seem to be alone. I came across some Sony instruction manual that has the same line in the instructions - that it cannot resume. So, guess we're probably stuck with the ridiculousness of having to watch everything over again with Blurays.
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A very basic question (sorry if it is a dumb one) about the SDR2020 mode of Panasonic and the Iris setting of a JVC projector (RS400).
I made a UB820 & JVC Setup Guide.
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The 820 can not play these files. You will require something along the line of an Oppo Bluray player or a Nvidia Shield.

I’ve read it’s a fantastic player for discs but can not play MKV files with audio.
I rip my optical media to MKV containers and include all audio formats and languages just in case.

The 820 does stream from MKVs of DVDs with no issue and looks decent enough with upscaling. There are issues with some BD titles. Just tried Safe House with DTS-MA and no audio but video plays fine.

My Sony display plays BD video fine but DTS-MA stutters, descriptive English audio was fine, and French DTS played with no issue. I have a WD Live streamer that plays BD just fine but doesn't do 4K.
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Am I understanding correctly that the 820 seems to display HDR content better due to the optimizedr? I have a C8 and am wondering if HDR content on Netflix looks better with the 820 versus the built in TV app?
I think my 950G's Netflix and Prime looks better than the 820's.
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I wish there is one for 820 n Epson 5040

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I wish there is one for 820 n Epson 5040
It is essentially the same. Configure the UB820 the same way as the guide then simply set your projector to Gamma 2.4 & BT2020 Color Profile.
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Am I understanding correctly that the 820 seems to display HDR content better due to the optimizedr? I have a C8 and am wondering if HDR content on Netflix looks better with the 820 versus the built in TV app?
I think my 950G's Netflix and Prime looks better than the 820's.
Thank you so so much for taking the time to respond to this! 🙂
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