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I got the audio to work by going into the operation menu and switching the soundtrack around. Worked fine for me through the rear USB playing an MKV 4k HDR 12 Bit BT2020 4:2:2 copy of Mission Impossible Rogue Nation. Had to make that one switch though.
Hi, I just tried this with several MKV's (rear USB port) and don't see a way to enable bitstreaming for DTS-MA or ATMOS tracks. the Audio menu that pops up with the built in media player doesn't allow changing of the tracks.

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Hi, I just tried this with several MKV's (rear USB port) and don't see a way to enable bitstreaming for DTS-MA or ATMOS tracks. the Audio menu that pops up with the built in media player doesn't allow changing of the tracks.

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Oh sorry. Yea not bitstream.

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Hit the playback info button when the disc is playing.
Thanks. I have the Sony X800 player, and the play back only confirms that it is in SDR 4k, no mention on the BT colour that I can find.
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Looks like I will Be picking up a 820 for my new projector which can’t actually receive a hdr signal

Will this make blu ray discs look any better? I’m thinking it won’t as there’s not any hdr to process

I don’t own a single uhd disc yet so I probably won’t buy a 820 until I buy a uhd disc

Also, there’s no way to feed my Apple 4K tv through this and then to the receiver is there?
The Apple TV can’t transmit the signal needed to my projector, for hdr content

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Watched forbidden kingdom BD last night, wow the upscaling is world class, it looked like a UHD.

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Bought a UB900 remote from Ebay. It's coming from England so I may have to learn proper English before I can use it...

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Looks like I will Be picking up a 820 for my new projector which can’t actually receive a hdr signal

Will this make blu ray discs look any better? I’m thinking it won’t as there’s not any hdr to process

I don’t own a single uhd disc yet so I probably won’t buy a 820 until I buy a uhd disc

Also, there’s no way to feed my Apple 4K tv through this and then to the receiver is there?
The Apple TV can’t transmit the signal needed to my projector, for hdr content

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To be quite honest, I have not noticed any difference between having a UHD player upscale regular blu ray vs having the tv do it. I have a E6. I have tested the upscale capabilities on both a OPPO 203 and a Panasonic 900, and then using my OPPO 103D to send 1080p to tv and let the tv upscale. I see no difference. In fact, with darbee engaged on the 103D, the image looks better than on the 203 or 900.
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Looks like I will Be picking up a 820 for my new projector which can’t actually receive a hdr signal

Will this make blu ray discs look any better? I’m thinking it won’t as there’s not any hdr to process

I don’t own a single uhd disc yet so I probably won’t buy a 820 until I buy a uhd disc

Also, there’s no way to feed my Apple 4K tv through this and then to the receiver is there?
The Apple TV can’t transmit the signal needed to my projector, for hdr content

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If you have an Apple TV 4K it can actually send a SDR signal to your projector. Why not buy the 820 and you can start purchasing 4K discs that have the Atmos / DTS:X soundtracks and the 820 will down convert to 1080P and SDR. That way you dont have to purchase out of date blu-rays.


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Looks like I will Be picking up a 820 for my new projector which can’t actually receive a hdr signal

Will this make blu ray discs look any better? I’m thinking it won’t as there’s not any hdr to process

I don’t own a single uhd disc yet so I probably won’t buy a 820 until I buy a uhd disc

Also, there’s no way to feed my Apple 4K tv through this and then to the receiver is there?
The Apple TV can’t transmit the signal needed to my projector, for hdr content

Thanks
Most likely not but if you do acquire some 4K discs then it may make them look better on your 10500 projector. What are you using now? You're best bet is to start purchasing 4K discs and try them out on your C7 with the 820 and see what you think. Really why have you not been getting the UHD version?? It's $5 more than the bluray and if that's an issue sell the bluray that comes with it on eBay for $7 and put $2 in your pocket. BUY THE UHD VERSION!!! It promotes the format!
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Most likely not but if you do acquire some 4K discs then it may make them look better on your 10500 projector. What are you using now? You're best bet is to start purchasing 4K discs and try them out on your C7 with the 820 and see what you think. Really why have you not been getting the UHD version?? It's $5 more than the bluray and if that's an issue sell the bluray that comes with it on eBay for $7 and put $2 in your pocket. BUY THE UHD VERSION!!! It promotes the format!
Haven’t bought a physical disc in awhile, have been buying via iTunes and playing on my atv4k
My choice of the LS10500 has me getting back into physical and I will be buying the uhd versions going forward

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Haven’t bought a physical disc in awhile, have been buying via iTunes and playing on my atv4k

My choice of the LS10500 has me getting back into physical and I will be buying the uhd versions going forward

Just remember the movies purchased on streaming services use heavily compressed versions of the sound tracks. In my opinion the 4K video streams look quite good compared to 4K disc but the soundtrack sounds way less dynamic and the bass sounds muddy compared to the disc. But it depends on your audio system. With most systems you probably can’t tell a difference.


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Haven’t bought a physical disc in awhile, have been buying via iTunes and playing on my atv4k
My choice of the LS10500 has me getting back into physical and I will be buying the uhd versions going forward
Sorry I’m a bit old school I guess. I know everyone is into streaming now but really with the gear you have it’s a shame not to give it the best media. I think you’ll be surprised how much better 4k UHD’s will look.

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Sorry I’m a bit old school I guess. I know everyone is into streaming now but really with the gear you have it’s a shame not to give it the best media. I think you’ll be surprised how much better 4k UHD’s will look.

Agree and the sound is even more noticeable if you have high end speakers, processor and subs.


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Here's a good video that covers the units land scape. It cleared several questions I had.
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Just remember the movies purchased on streaming services use heavily compressed versions of the sound tracks. In my opinion the 4K video streams look quite good compared to 4K disc but the soundtrack sounds way less dynamic and the bass sounds muddy compared to the disc. But it depends on your audio system. With most systems you probably can’t tell a difference.


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I can tell with my current blu Ray player, def an upgrade on the audio vs streaming

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Sorry I’m a bit old school I guess. I know everyone is into streaming now but really with the gear you have it’s a shame not to give it the best media. I think you’ll be surprised how much better 4k UHD’s will look.
Can't say I understand this either especially if you've dropped some coin decent on your A/V system.
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It's not going to cancel things out.

Think of it this way.

You have a disc mastered to 4000 nits and you have a display that can hit 800 nits.

HDR Optimizer Off:
TV has to tone map everything between 801 and 4000 nits down.

HDR Optimizer On:
The player tone maps everything from 1001-4000 nits down, the TV then maps everything from 801-1000 nits down.

It's a simplistic way of looking at it, but that's the theory. Which one is better is anyone's guess at this point. There may not be any visible difference even or it may only be edge cases where you can see a difference between them.
This does make sense. I read somewhere that all OLED displays can deal with up to 1000 nits with its own tone mapping... and then everything else just gets clipped. I'm thinking though that stuff between 800-1000 nits might show up quite differently depending upon the panel, as we have two completely different tone mapping curves from two different companies happening at 801-1000 nits and 1001-4000 nits. But, at this point, this is likely mostly insignificant to 99.99% of the population. I think people (like myself) are just happy to see highlights again, and not having them blown out.

BTW, where are the nit values for the settings documented? I couldn't find that. This article seems to suggest the OLED setting is built for 800 nits:

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/ha...-ub9000-review

However, 1000 just makes more sense to me, with tone mapping up to 1000 nits built into the TV.

500: Basic Luminance LCD or Projector
1000: Middle or High Luminance LCD
1500: Super High Luminance LCD
1000?: OLED

Is it confirmed it's 1000 nits for OLED, the same as the Middle/High Luminance LCD? Or is the setting somehow different?

I note my LG B7 hits well over 800 nits with a 2% window. The LG C8 hits well over 900.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b7-b7a-oled

Would my XBR X800E be categorized as a Basic Luminance LCD?

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x800e
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Is the right way to think about it this:
  • UB900 is fine for 4K projectors, where you'd just use the HDR->SDR conversion for SDR2020 since projectors do not have the NITS for HDR,
  • UB820 is better for 4K TVs that have true HDR capabilities (ie ~800+ NITS) because the HDR optimizer can handle the variety (I say sloppiness) of HDR10 mastering down to a level where the TV's tone mapping can kick in.
  • Both offer * the same * high-quality picture
  • UB820 has the announced, future upgrade of DV (which means your display needs to be able to handle that).

Too simple?

PS I picked up a refurb UB900 at a great price, but am also looking at the UB820.
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Is the right way to think about it this:
  • UB900 is fine for 4K projectors, where you'd just use the HDR->SDR conversion for SDR2020 since projectors do not have the NITS for HDR,
  • UB820 is better for 4K TVs that have true HDR capabilities (ie ~800+ NITS) because the HDR optimizer can handle the variety (I say sloppiness) of HDR10 mastering down to a level where the TV's tone mapping can kick in.
  • Both offer * the same * high-quality picture
  • UB820 has the announced, future upgrade of DV (which means your display needs to be able to handle that).

Too simple?

PS I picked up a refurb UB900 at a great price, but am also looking at the UB820.
if I have a projector, you don’t think I’m missing out on anything by going with the UB900 vs the UB820?

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Is the right way to think about it this:
  • UB900 is fine for 4K projectors, where you'd just use the HDR->SDR conversion for SDR2020 since projectors do not have the NITS for HDR,
  • UB820 is better for 4K TVs that have true HDR capabilities (ie ~800+ NITS) because the HDR optimizer can handle the variety (I say sloppiness) of HDR10 mastering down to a level where the TV's tone mapping can kick in.
  • Both offer * the same * high-quality picture
  • UB820 has the announced, future upgrade of DV (which means your display needs to be able to handle that).

Too simple?

PS I picked up a refurb UB900 at a great price, but am also looking at the UB820.
You're not taking into consideration that the UB820 will adapt its tone mapping process for SDR2020 depending on the mastering of the title in question. The UB900 doesn't offer this, so for Projectors, the UB820 will be a better choice. It's kind of like having a series of Arve-style Custom Curves all available, and automatically selected by the player according to the movie's specs.
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You're not taking into consideration that the UB820 will adapt its tone mapping process for SDR2020 depending on the mastering of the title in question. The UB900 doesn't offer this, so for Projectors, the UB820 will be a better choice. It's kind of like having a series of Arve-style Custom Curves all available, and automatically selected by the player according to the movie's specs.
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You're not taking into consideration that the UB820 will adapt its tone mapping process for SDR2020 depending on the mastering of the title in question. The UB900 doesn't offer this, so for Projectors, the UB820 will be a better choice. It's kind of like having a series of Arve-style Custom Curves all available, and automatically selected by the player according to the movie's specs.
This is a good point, plus there are are now better controls for tweaking the curve vs. the first implementation and no 3rd party hardware required to use SDR/BT2020.

after owning both, the UB820 is what the UB900 should have been 2 years ago on release. projector owners would have had a quick plug and play tone mapping option.

The biggest caveat I see (compared to other players) is that that the network media player is not usable without bitstreaming capabilities. several other players handle network media playback with no problems. This should be a standard feature with the Panasonic.
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This is a good point, plus there are are now better controls for tweaking the curve vs. the first implementation and no 3rd party hardware required to use SDR/BT2020.

after owning both, the UB820 is what the UB900 should have been 2 years ago on release. projector owners would have had a quick plug and play tone mapping option.

The biggest caveat I see (compared to other players) is that that the network media player is not usable without bitstreaming capabilities. several other players handle network media playback with no problems. This should be a standard feature with the Panasonic.

Agreed about the networking capabilities of the Panny being zero. Usb hard drive playback also useless. What players (aside from Oppo) would u suggest in this area?

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How do you know if the 820 is doing the upscaling or your TV? Example, a blu ray played in the 820 on your 4K display.

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if I have a projector, you don’t think I’m missing out on anything by going with the UB900 vs the UB820?
The UB820 allows for the HDR to SDR 2020 conversion without the need of an additional device. If you go with the UB900 you need a HD Fury or Integral...
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Agreed about the networking capabilities of the Panny being zero. Usb hard drive playback also useless. What players (aside from Oppo) would u suggest in this area?

I asked Robert from VE to report this back to Panasonic and see if they will consider a change. I believe some folks mentioned that the Sony UHD players can play back the UHD MKV's with bitstreaming audio but they don't have the same feature set for the tone mapping.
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I asked Robert from VE to report this back to Panasonic and see if they will consider a change. I believe some folks mentioned that the Sony UHD players can play back the UHD MKV's with bitstreaming audio but they don't have the same feature set for the tone mapping.

Cool. I had the UB200 which could play back UHD mkvs, but not the audio. Quite frustrating. The Oppo could and I guess the Sony. I think Panasonic chose not to support this feature. Id be very surprised if they come around.

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How do you know if the 820 is doing the upscaling or your TV? Example, a blu ray played in the 820 on your 4K display.
By pressing the Playback Info button on the remote.
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By pressing the Playback Info button on the remote.
And look for what exactly ?

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