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I made the same exact change about a month ago and im very happy with it. I had know issues with the sony and appreciate the better build quality but i have no doubt the panasonic is the better player
Thanks dwander. How is heat dissipation? Does your unit give off a lot of heat when watching 4K blu ray movies? Is the fan pretty quiet when it comes on?

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Regarding HDMI cables I have a Panasonic DP-UB420 connected to a 49" Sansung TV with a 4.80 meters Amazon Basics HDMI cable and it works like a charm. And beware I have my 420 set to output RGB @ 12 bit video signal as I think it looks cleaner on my Samsung set and I get both 4K, HDR with Wide Color Gamut with a 9 + Euros cable, and kkep in mind that RGB video takes more bandwithd that 4:4:4 component.
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I have a Harmony Elite and just set up my UB-820. Pretty basic question here. My play/pause/sound work fine. But when I try to click “menu” or “exit” to navigate back out of the movie playing it does nothing.

Are there certain commands I need to enter in on the remote so the remote can navigate properly?


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I have a Harmony Elite and just set up my UB-820. Pretty basic question here. My play/pause/sound work fine. But when I try to click “menu” or “exit” to navigate back out of the movie playing it does nothing.

Are there certain commands I need to enter in on the remote so the remote can navigate properly?
I don't recall exactly which ones, but I remember having to map certain buttons to my Elite. All the commands for the 820 are in there, you just have to assign some of the buttons.
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Same here. Replaced the physically well built Sony with the better performing Panasonic.

I recently did the same -- except my X800 is still connected to my main HT, mainly for its SACD/DVD-Audio capabilities. I instead removed an old Panasonic BD player in the rack to make room for the UB820.
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Thanks dwander. How is heat dissipation? Does your unit give off a lot of heat when watching 4K blu ray movies? Is the fan pretty quiet when it comes on?

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I really don't notice the fan at all. I do hear the projector fan so its possible that drowns it out. But either way I dont notice it.

Im not sure about heat right now but i am looking into it. I just added a 5 channel amp to my stand yesterday and I had to place it under the Panasonic. Im concerned about the heat from the amp affecting the blu ray so I will be monitoring it over the next few weeks so i can let you know if i notice anything as far as the blu ray is concerned.
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I really don't notice the fan at all. I do hear the projector fan so its possible that drowns it out. But either way I dont notice it.

Im not sure about heat right now but i am looking into it. I just added a 5 channel amp to my stand yesterday and I had to place it under the Panasonic. Im concerned about the heat from the amp affecting the blu ray so I will be monitoring it over the next few weeks so i can let you know if i notice anything as far as the blu ray is concerned.
Thanks dwander. Hopefully your power amp doesn't get too hot and affect your blu ray player. All I would need is for you to place your hand on top of the Panny while playing a blu ray and let me know how warm the player is at the time. Thanks again dwander.

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Wow, I have been living under a rock! When did "Panasonic" and "High End" become synonymous?
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Wow, I have been living under a rock! When did "Panasonic" and "High End" become synonymous?
DMP-UB900, back in early 2016.

I never owned one. I won't argue its merits, but it was expensive. (I don't recall its price at introduction; maybe $900US?)
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I have an 820 being delivered on Monday, replacing an x800. Display is a Sony 900E.

What are some of the key settings that need to be turned off or on to maximize viewing pleasure?

I don't really want to read through 155 pages, but will. Thanks in advance for any advice!

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I have an 820 being delivered on Monday, replacing an x800. Display is a Sony 900E.

What are some of the key settings that need to be turned off or on to maximize viewing pleasure?

I don't really want to read through 155 pages, but will. Thanks in advance for any advice!

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The defaults are pretty good, and may be all that you need. To enjoy the 820's tone mapping, you may need to choose an HDR brightness. (I'm using an LG OLED.)
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I just received the June/July issue of "Sound & Vision". A lead article, written by Kris Deering, is a review of the JVC RS3000/NX9 projector and contains a sidebar regarding the integration of the custom Panasonic/JVC curves and the UB820/9000. I was somewhat surprised to read that Kris favors "double tone mapping" (Panasonic Optimizer with JVC Auto Tone Mapping) via the BT2020 profile rather than the custom curves which were implemented in an earlier JVC PJ firmware update. This coincides with my own subjective comparison of the various combinations available with these 2 devices and is the treatment for UHD HDR source material (including Netflix HDR titles via the Panasonic's app) that I have chosen to apply.

The cherry on my personal sundae is that Yamaha, for the 1st time, is able to decode Netflix Dolby Atmos from Netflix DD+ source material via the UB820/9000 with the RX-A3080 (something that several generations of Denon/Marantz AVRs had already been capable of doing). Sweet...........
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I was somewhat surprised to read that Kris favors "double tone mapping" (Panasonic Optimizer with JVC Auto Tone Mapping) via the BT2020 profile rather than the custom curves which were implemented in an earlier JVC PJ firmware update. This coincides with my own subjective comparison of the various combinations available with these 2 devices and is the treatment for UHD HDR source material (including Netflix HDR titles via the Panasonic's app) that I have chosen to apply.
That’s hardly surprising. This particular “double tone mapping” is the coordinated effort between JVC and Panasonic, allowing each device to perform what it’s best at doing.

The concern with double tone mapping is when one device does not know what the other is doing, which is the majority situation.
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That’s hardly surprising. This particular “double tone mapping” is the coordinated effort between JVC and Panasonic, allowing each device to perform what it’s best at doing.

The concern with double tone mapping is when one device does not know what the other is doing, which is the majority situation.
If I'm understanding this right, I think they are saying that performance is better using the JVC's default HDR Auto Tone Mapping, *rather* than the newly developed Panasonic-specific Color Profiles, made available by firmware upgrade. Theoretically, I would have guessed that this combination would yield better results than the 'vanilla' HDR Auto Tone Mapping. But this apparently may not be the case. I don't have a new JVC, so have no data or observations to contribute!

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I have a 820 and a JVC NX.
My understanding from reading Kris’s review and the comments in the JVC owner thread is that for most titles both modes offer equivalent (great) performance, but that for some titles, the basic curve needs some manual tweaks, and the high luminance one disengages the BT2020 P3 color filter.
Kris made it clear that this was disc-dependent, not setting-dependent.
“Double tone-mapping” (which I use) is a fire-and-forget solution, where you can count on a great PQ for all titles.
My interpretation of what Kris wrote in this forum is that for some consistently dark titles (e.g. Blade Runner 2049) you could possibly get even better results by tweaking settings using the Basic Luminance curve in the JVC, or possibly using the 350 nits setting in the UB9000, but this would apply to this title only.

On the opposite side of brightness, my own personal guess is that when applying a 350 nits curve on a “too bright” title, you could risk clipping highlights too much unnecessarily.
The double tone mapping with the 500 nits curve is a “safe” middle ground.
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If I'm understanding this right, I think they are saying that performance is better using the JVC's default HDR Auto Tone Mapping, *rather* than the newly developed Panasonic-specific Color Profiles, made available by firmware upgrade. Theoretically, I would have guessed that this combination would yield better results than the 'vanilla' HDR Auto Tone Mapping. But this apparently may not be the case. I don't have a new JVC, so have no data or observations to contribute!
I misinterpreted that comment. Both approaches are “double tone mapping”; which one is “better” is subjective (a similar situation would be comparing Jav’s custom curve with Manni’s).

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I misinterpreted that comment. Both approaches are “double tone mapping”; which one is “better” is subjective (a similar situation would be comparing Jav’s custom curve with Manni’s).
This is true. docrog did his comparisons primarily based on highlight clipping using a specific scene in a show or movie (I forget which). That is certainly a reasonable parameter to examine. It would be interesting to see how the comparison would turn out, using shadow detail, for example, or a different aspect of picture quality.

I would have guessed the JVC color profiles, specifically developed for use with the Panasonic players, would be the clear choice for optimal HDR, but that may not be the case.

Yet another example of HDR being a not quite mature technology!

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This is true. docrog did his comparisons primarily based on highlight clipping using a specific scene in a show or movie (I forget which). That is certainly a reasonable parameter to examine. It would be interesting to see how the comparison would turn out, using shadow detail, for example, or a different aspect of picture quality.

I would have guessed the JVC color profiles, specifically developed for use with the Panasonic players, would be the clear choice for optimal HDR, but that may not be the case.

Yet another example of HDR being a not quite mature technology!
Altered Carbon (Netflix), episode #2 of season #1 ("Fallen Angel") at the start of the episode when the body falls into the water was used to assess white clipping of sunlight on and under the water. Besides absolutely minimal white clipping, the shadow detail using the 500 nit setting on the UB820 (Optimizer +4) with NX7 Auto Tone mapping (+3) was also superb in my HT (110", 1.25 gain 16 x 9 screen).
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I would have guessed the JVC color profiles, specifically developed for use with the Panasonic players, would be the clear choice for optimal HDR, but that may not be the case.
Since tone mapping is a compromise (by definition), there is no universal definition of “optimal”. None of the “legit” combinations should cause any hard clipping, but some may prefer a steeper slope near the top (more distinct gradation) at the cost of reduced highlights, whereas others may prefer the opposite.
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The ub900 was £650 on release in the UK. Of course the ub9000 is even higher now 🙈
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So i have tried 4 different HDMI's and i cannot get 4k signal to appear on my lg c9 i even reset the player and tv to factory reset and still nothing. I need to contact Panasonic about this for a patch so i can finally get the 4k signal.
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Thank god i have an oppo 203 to or else i would not be able to watch all these new 4k titles i got this weekend.
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Thank god i have an oppo 203 to or else i would not be able to watch all these new 4k titles i got this weekend.
Oppo works great. Panny just does it a bit better. I’ve got both and my 9000 spins my 4k discs. The Oppo still serves as my media player. Yes if it’s a 4k mkv on my server the Oppo gets called on for service. I doubt you’ll get many on here that will not say what a good player the Oppo is.

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Ya funny story about my oppo 203. I got the all region one from bombay electronics 2 weeks before oppo said they were done making the players. Tax refund well spent .
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I recently did the same -- except my X800 is still connected to my main HT, mainly for its SACD/DVD-Audio capabilities. I instead removed an old Panasonic BD player in the rack to make room for the UB820.

I did the same as you but with the inexpensive DP-UB420 that has the same video processing as the more expensive UB820.
It's incredible that the cheap Panasonic 420 makes UHD BD (and upscaled to 4K BD's) look so much better than the Sony X-800 which looks flat and boring compared with the Panasonic.
As you, my Sony X-800 is relegated to music playing. I have all my SACD's ripped and their tracks stracted with ISO2DSD that were later transfered to a Toshiba SSD. It's very convenient, I have all my SACD's stored and protected with resealable bags, I haven't played an actual SACD in years. And the same with the CD's I listen the most, they were ripped to FLAC with dBPoweramp and on another Toshiba SSD. I may sound silly but I find fascinating the fact that I'm playing my digital music without the use of a mechanical unit (aka: something that spins). Anyway most of my music listening are LP records through a tube Phono preamp.
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Can the Oppo 203 rip sacds and store them to on the player? I never tried.
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So I just picked up a UB820 to use along with my LG C8. Just wondering if any owners of both out there have any particular recommended “must have” player settings I should be aware of? Its working great so far, watched bladerunner. I havent touched any settings yet...


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Hdr optimizer is a great setting to turn on . Also switch it to OLED luminese in the brightness option.
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So i have tried 4 different HDMI's and i cannot get 4k signal to appear on my lg c9 i even reset the player and tv to factory reset and still nothing. I need to contact Panasonic about this for a patch so i can finally get the 4k signal.
Are you using a certified premium HDMI cable?
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I have started experiencing extreme lag (delay) in certain Blu-ray/DVD menus, eg. those of older Disney movies. I haven't noticed it until a month ago or so, so I'm suspecting it came with the latest firmware. Anyone else experiencing the this issue?
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