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The UB820 allows for the HDR to SDR 2020 conversion without the need of an additional device. If you go with the UB900 you need a HD Fury or Integral...
I thought the UB900 did HDR to SDR2020, only, while the UB820 allows for better tone-mapping (i.e. something between HDR and SDR2020) so you can avoid crushing whites/blacks but still use some for of HDR within the capabilities of your display. Mu understanding is the UB900 accomplishes that by stripping out the HDR but keeping the full color information.

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I thought the UB900 did HDR to SDR2020, only, while the UB820 allows for better tone-mapping (i.e. something between HDR and SDR2020) so you can avoid crushing whites/blacks but still use some for of HDR within the capabilities of your display. Mu understanding is the UB900 accomplishes that by stripping out the HDR but keeping the full color information.

They both do SDR2020 conversion, but you need an external hdfury or linker device on the 900 (no extra device needed on the 820). Plus the 820 has the hdr optimizer which works great imo. Great device for PJ owners. In summary: the 820 does internal TM without a external device (like the oppo) perfectly (unlike the oppo).

No lumagen or Mad Vr or custom curve? No problem. The 820 does a great job with TM and is easy to use
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I have finally seen the DP-UB820 listed and in stock at a Canadian retailer. I haven’t seen it at any of the major Canadian chains yet though.

And it’s still out of stock at Panasonic Canada’s eStore after a few of us cleaned them out the first day.
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I asked Robert from VE to report this back to Panasonic and see if they will consider a change ... [can play back the UHD MKV's with bitstreaming audio] ...
This would be an amazing addition!
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I thought the UB900 did HDR to SDR2020, only, while the UB820 allows for better tone-mapping (i.e. something between HDR and SDR2020) so you can avoid crushing whites/blacks but still use some for of HDR within the capabilities of your display. Mu understanding is the UB900 accomplishes that by stripping out the HDR but keeping the full color information.
Both the UB900 and UB820 can output SDR2020. The UB900 will only output SDR2020 if you have an HDfury Vertex/Linker/Integral or similar device where you can configure an EDID to present to the player that reports support for SDR2020. Otherwise the UB900 will output SDR REC709 that reduces the color volume. The UB820 can output SDR2020 without an HDfury device.

The UB900 HDR to SDR2020 conversion uses a single tone map for all UHD discs.
The UB820 HDR to SDR2020 conversion can utilize the Optimizer to tone map based on HDR metadata, or tone map based on a default 1000 nit target when the Optimizer is turned off.

In HDR mode, the UB820 Optimizer will tone map (mostly the bright highlights) based on the HDR TV Type configured to either a 1500, 1000, or 500 nit target. HDR will be output, not SDR2020. Your HDR display will then perform its own tone mapping of the HDR that has been optimized for the TV.

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Just bought one via value electronics
Now we wait

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Now we wait
Congrats, I’d like to know whether you end up using it with the C7 or 10500. It should look great with either.
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Congrats, I’d like to know whether you end up using it with the C7 or 10500. It should look great with either.
Def the 10500, spent some coin on it and want to make sure I use it to its fullest

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I have an UB820 on order. They will be available in Australia mid September

I will mainly use it to play Hi-Res music. It can DSD multichannel 2.8/5.6 and stereo 11.2Mhz.

I will connect the UB820's 7.1 analog outs to my Marantz sr6012 receiver.

At the moment I play the DSD via the Marantz's USB in.

Any thoughts and suggestions.
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Mkv

Got this from Panasonic support
Supported codec.s playing mkv:
AAC, PCM, Vorbis and FLAC.

That means that Panasonic players can't be used playing any of the latest audio format such as Atmos or DTS:X using mkv files.

The Dolby Atmos and DTS:X surround sound formats are only available from a Blu-ray Disc player via the Bitstream setting option.
There are no Blu-ray Disc players that can decode these formats internally to PCM and pass that on to a home theater receiver.
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Got this from Panasonic support
Supported codec.s playing mkv:
AAC, PCM, Vorbis and FLAC.

That means that Panasonic players can't be used playing any of the latest audio format such as Atmos or DTS:X using mkv files.

The Dolby Atmos and DTS:X surround sound formats are only available from a Blu-ray Disc player via the Bitstream setting option.
There are no Blu-ray Disc players that can decode these formats internally to PCM and pass that on to a home theater receiver.
will the ub820 play a complete uhd rip/iso ?

some of the media players wont atmos/dts-x via MKV,but will do those audio formats when playing the complete bluray menu /iso format rips

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according to the manual it can play .ts/.m2ts format via network (page 44)

so will those formats cover the atmos/dts-x and also dolby vision encoding?

a lot of ppl like to save their 4k discs to hdd/nas media server,rather than physically swap discs all the time,to preserve the discs
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will the ub820 play a complete uhd rip/iso ?

some of the media players wont atmos/dts-x via MKV,but will do those audio formats when playing the complete bluray menu /iso format rips

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according to the manual it can play .ts/.m2ts format via network (page 44)

so will those formats cover the atmos/dts-x and also dolby vision encoding?

a lot of ppl like to save their 4k discs to hdd/nas media server,rather than physically swap discs all the time,to preserve the discs
Suggest that you send such question to your Panasonic support to get correct answer
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will the ub820 play a complete uhd rip/iso ?

some of the media players wont atmos/dts-x via MKV,but will do those audio formats when playing the complete bluray menu /iso format rips

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according to the manual it can play .ts/.m2ts format via network (page 44)

so will those formats cover the atmos/dts-x and also dolby vision encoding?

a lot of ppl like to save their 4k discs to hdd/nas media server,rather than physically swap discs all the time,to preserve the discs

No. Just like the previous Ub900. There is limited playback of rips via network and usb but any hi-def audio will not play or you will get error messages. Quite frustrating for a high end device.

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If you want to playback all that stuff reliably over wifi or ethernet, from a NAS, either use an ATV4K with Infuse or get the Dune Pro 4K. None of these devices do everything right, not even the Oppo's.

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Looks like bestbuy/magnolia has these guys for preorder!
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Does anyone with this new kid on the block and the OPPO 203 done a compare yet? Interested in your PQ impressions and whether the HDR optimizer makes enough of a positive difference comparatively with the Sony Z9D for example...thanks in advance.
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that would be great for a comparison @Bahn Yuki. I have the 203, but am really looking at the 820 for TM, as I have a JVC projector as well.
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I also have Oppo 203 and JVC Projector

Sounds like someone already answered one of my questions

I am asking if

1 the Panny can play files from Big External Hard Drives 8TB or more. OPPO does this easily and smoothly. Files will be m2ts, mkv, mp4, etc
2 does it have the strip metadata feature for HDR files that the OPPO has so you can play these and they look watchable without having to make major adjustments
3 I know the previous Panny model had no media player functionality. I am assuming this one is like that too ?
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I had the 203 and now a UB820 with a JVC x700R projector. I prefer the UB820 for UHD/HDR content. In terms of standard 1080p Blu-Ray I can't really say but I would say the UB820 is as good or better. I don't play SACD, etc or use this device for network playback so as strictly a UHD/Blu-Ray player I am very happy with the 820 vs 203.

The Oppo has better build quality (if that matters) and a better remote (I use a Harmony Elite).
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I have an Accucal calibrated JVC RS-520 with an Oppo 203. I am very happy with the SDR and HDR video output. Will I notice any benefit with HDR from switching to the Panasonic? Sorry if this has already been addressed.
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[QUOTE=MajorTendonitis;56609488]Thanks for the reply. I’ll have to check with my dealer and see when it’s available . Seeing as I’m Canada , could be a while .
I’d sure like the 9000,but 2K is insane for something that could be antiquated in a few years .
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Wow, didnt realize it was going to be that much. I have had chad b so maybe I'm just going to keep the 900 a while longer.

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Does anyone with this new kid on the block and the OPPO 203 done a compare yet? Interested in your PQ impressions and whether the HDR optimizer makes enough of a positive difference comparatively with the Sony Z9D for example...thanks in advance.
Speaking from the point of view of a projector user, I like the ub820 TM so much more than oppos, that Im selling off my oppo.

Its possible oppo could fix its TM to be as good (plus you have the HDMI input), but the UB820s is so good, I dont feel the need to wait for a fix anymore.

Blu ray material and DVDs look the same to me.

But I think the SDR 2020 TM looks incredible on the 820. HDR optimizer works great for me on bright highlights too, especially since it appears to be doing some dynamic mapping.

I dont use it on a tv, so I cant really speak to differences there (the differences might not be as apparent on a bright tv, so YMMV for tv users. ) But for projector owners its like having a junior version of a lumagen radiance pro IMO.
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I also have Oppo 203 and JVC Projector

Sounds like someone already answered one of my questions

I am asking if

1 the Panny can play files from Big External Hard Drives 8TB or more. OPPO does this easily and smoothly. Files will be m2ts, mkv, mp4, etc
2 does it have the strip metadata feature for HDR files that the OPPO has so you can play these and they look watchable without having to make major adjustments
3 I know the previous Panny model had no media player functionality. I am assuming this one is like that too ?

1 - technically yes but no bit streaming audio which makes it basically useless vs. the Oppo's ability

2 - yes and it's better than the current Oppo implementation. Oppo still needs work done to make it better but not likely going to happen now.

3 - there is a DLNA player but see # 1, no go on bitstream audio
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so the Panny can play video files from 8TB Hard Drive but there will be no sound ?

that is ridiculous
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I have had the Ub900, the Oppo 203, and the ub820.

If you are just needing HDR output and aren't looking for the player to do any tone mapping (whether to SDR or HDR at a different target Nits) The oppo is a great player. And if you need multiform playback, it's probably the most comprehensive player out there. Build Quality is top notch.

But if you need tone mapping, the 820 is far superior. I don't think oppo will ever fix theirs, and since Panasonic had it right with the ub900, they have demonstrated they understand tone mapping far better than oppo does. The 820 just takes it to another level. Even with the ub900 I could get very good SDR BT2020 and adjust the dynamic range slider a bit to brighten up the overall image but at the cost of some washout and clipping of whites. Now with the black and white tone curve settings, I can adjust the dynamic range adjustment to +5/6 and then dial the black tone control to -3/4 and eliminate the wash out without clipping black detail. I can then adjust the white tone curve control to +2/4 to smooth out the highlights to minimize clipping and smooth out gradients to eliminate the occasional blown out details....particularly on faces.

For me it is a game changer. With an older JVC 4910, which can accept a 4k signal and shift it and does about 85% P3 with BT2020 color profile installed, I am able to watch my collection of UHD discs for the first time and not feel like the blu ray version looked better. It only took close to 2 years, but finally! I still need a Integral to handle the HDCP/HDMI version handshake, but that's no big deal.

I don't really care about apps on a player, but for UHD playback and tone mapping, right now there is nothing better than the 820....not even close.

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so the Panny can play video files from 8TB Hard Drive but there will be no sound ?

that is ridiculous
I believe you can get sound but not the newer advanced audio codecs. I will need to play around with mine but I wonder if I can pass lossy to my Denon and then have it upmix to Auro 3D ?
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I am asking about this sound, aac, WAV, DTS HD, TrueHD, LPCM 5.1, ac3

also, can this player handle hooking up an 8TB External Drive and can it scroll thru the files and folders easily ?
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so the Panny can play video files from 8TB Hard Drive but there will be no sound ?

that is ridiculous



Some files sound. Files with hi def audio - no sound. Error messages. The fact that usb playback and networked playback even exists is a frustrating tease - nothing dependable.

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