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post #4831 of 6220 Old 06-21-2019, 01:42 AM
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Looking to update some dated equipment and would appreciate some help clarifying the following. If I were to combine a JVC RS4xx with UB820 but keep an older receiver with HDMI 1.4 spec, would I have any compatibility issues using the separate HDMI audio output of the 820 with the 1.4 receiver while operating the projector off the A/V HDMI with 2.2 compatibility? The receiver has TrueHD and DTS-HDMA support and a THX Ultra2 mode that works well in my space and therefore don't see an immediate need to replace. Thanks!
Short answer: Yes, the UB820 has two HDMI outputs for precisely this reason and it is exactly what you need. Buy the UB820 and NO OTHER PLAYER.

Also, it looks like you are new to the JVC projectors and I saw the deal you got. Pretty excellent value. I plan to keep my RS400 for quite some time.

I have made several guides on this forum that will help get you exactly where you need to be. Almost everything you'll need to know is right here (clicky). Since your projector has already been calibrated, you'll be able to skip steps 3&4 but looking at them might be a good idea to understand what your projector is doing.

It is very important you buy a UB820, the correct HDMI cables and configure your Projector & UB820 properly. All of that information is contained right here (clicky).
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Short answer: Yes, the UB820 has two HDMI outputs for precisely this reason and it is exactly what you need. Buy the UB820 and NO OTHER PLAYER.

Also, it looks like you are new to the JVC projectors and I saw the deal you got. Pretty excellent value. I plan to keep my RS400 for quite some time.

I have made several guides on this forum that will help get you exactly where you need to be. Almost everything you'll need to know is right here (clicky). Since your projector has already been calibrated, you'll be able to skip steps 3&4 but looking at them might be a good idea to understand what your projector is doing.

It is very important you buy a UB820, the correct HDMI cables and configure your Projector & UB820 properly. All of that information is contained right here (clicky).
Thanks, appreciate the feedback and your guides look like they will be of great assistance as well. Thanks for taking the time to put those together, will review in detail to make sure I get the most out of this combo!
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I bought a JVC RS 1000 a few weeks ago and running it with an OPPO 203 with everything on Auto. Would it make much of a difference to buy myself an 820? One way or the other I'm keeping the OPPO for SACD.

Try the RS 1000 thread in the projector section.


If you end up using the Oppo only for stand alone SACD stereo analog output, then you might sell it if there's a strong market. There are many dedicated (non-universal player) options that will deliver great sound quality.

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Try the RS 1000 thread in the projector section.


If you end up using the Oppo only for stand alone SACD stereo analog output, then you might sell it if there's a strong market. There are many dedicated (non-universal player) options that will deliver great sound quality.
Yeah I just posted there about 10 minutes ago since I wasn't getting an answer here. Thanks for the tip though.
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Did you get a resolution to this? I seem to experience the same thing

DP-UB820 -----------> Denon AVR-4310 (can play Dolby TruHD/Master DTSHD) (audio)
+------------------> Samsung KS8000 (video)

I confirmed that HDMI port on my Denon AVR4310 is working properly by hooking up my Oppo BDP103 to the port that I was hooking up the audio for the Panasonic DP-UB820

I reset factory defaults as I had played with them before. I had my TV inputting audio via optical into the receiver and that's how I was getting sound (5.1 Dolby I guess) before but I can't get the sound from the player directly to the receiver. What's going on here? Something so simple
Been out of town so a little slow getting back on this. I gave up on trying to split the audio and video. I was using the Monoprice certified premium cables with no luck. I replaced the cable from the UB820 to my RX-A3070 and from the RX-A3070 to PQ65-F1 with Audioquest Cinnamon. Everything passes through and works just like it is supposed to and I am getting Dolby Vision when it is an option on playback. I will say I was never able to get it to work on my Yamaha RX-A2050 and that is the reason I bought the Yamaha RX-A3070.

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Been out of town so a little slow getting back on this. I gave up on trying to split the audio and video. I was using the Monoprice certified premium cables with no luck. I replaced the cable from the UM820 to my RX-A3070 and from the RX-A3070 to PQ65-F1 with Audioquest Cinnamon. Everything passes through and works just like it is supposed to and I am getting Dolby Vision when it is an option on playback. I will say I was never able to get it to work on my Yamaha RX-A2050 and that is the reason I bought the Yamaha RX-A3070.
As far as I recall, Dolby Vision support was not added to the x050 line of receivers. Oldest ones they added it to were the x060 series.

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As far as I recall, Dolby Vision support was not added to the x050 line of receivers. Oldest ones they added it to were the x060 series.
I knew that but I was not able to get the UB820 and my RX-A2050 to work together. I tried using the audio out to the receiver and the video/audio out to my TV so as to get ATMOS and Dolby Vision to work and went back and forth for quite a few months and bought the RX-A3070 and still tried to get split signals for a direct path for the video to no avail and gave up on that and just went to one cable in and one cable out.

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Hmm, just curious, but why were you trying to get the split cable arrangement to work with your 3070?

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I knew that but I was not able to get the UB820 and my RX-A2050 to work together. I tried using the audio out to the receiver and the video/audio out to my TV so as to get ATMOS and Dolby Vision to work and went back and forth for quite a few months and bought the RX-A3070 and still tried to get split signals for a direct path for the video to no avail and gave up on that and just went to one cable in and one cable out.
My understanding is that the RX-A3070 was not capable of decoding the DD+ from the UB820's Netflix app in order to play Dolby Atmos. My RX-A3080 DOES achieve decoding Atmos from the UB820's Netflix app.

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My understanding is that the RX-A3070 was not capable of decoding the DD+ from the UB820's Netflix app in order to play Dolby Atmos. My RX-A3080 DOES achieve decoding Atmos from the UB820's Netflix app.
I don't use the UB820 for streaming, all of that is done using a Roku Ultra and honestly all of my movies are 4K HDR or BluRay. There are a few shows I watch using Amazon, Hulu and Netflix but not many at this time and I will use whatever is native to that program and if I want to add the ceiling speakers to a show I will use one of the surround modes built into the RX-A3070. I used to keep up with everything but in my old age I have grown tired of the constant upgradeitis lol. Now with that said I do have fairly new and up to date equipment for most of my components.
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I don't use the UB820 for streaming, all of that is done using a Roku Ultra and honestly all of my movies are 4K HDR or BluRay. There are a few shows I watch using Amazon, Hulu and Netflix but not many at this time and I will use whatever is native to that program and if I want to add the ceiling speakers to a show I will use one of the surround modes built into the RX-A3070. I used to keep up with everything but in my old age I have grown tired of the constant upgradeitis lol. Now with that said I do have fairly new and up to date equipment for most of my components.
I think that the choice of Netflix streaming device (or UHD Blu Ray) is going to be predicated by your display. Certainly, an OLED device which is capable of dealing with content being delivered at up to 4000 nit is much more tolerant, compared with lamp based front projectors. The UB820's ability to provide high quality remapping of HDR content to 500 nit is the reason that I have chosen this alternative over my other streaming devices for Netflix with my JVC NX7 projector.
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I’ve been testing out Netflix on the 820 vs ATV.

With the optimiser switched on, shows like Star Trek Discovery look better via the 820 IMO.

I’m also getting Atmos through my Denon amp.

However, one issue I have is that lip sync is out. Is this a known problem? If so, what’s the fix?

Lip sync is fine when using the ATV.


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Hi everyone, need some advice.
Recent bought this player and a Samsung 82" q70r TV.

Any idea which screen type I should set? Rtings measures the peak luminance for this screen around 762 nits.

Would I use the basic luminance screen setting (said to be mapped to 500 nits) or the mid level screen (mapped to 1000 nits). There is no way to change settings on the fly so I cant do a good comparison scene to scene.

Any one has a q70r screen as well and can share their settings? Thank you.
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Hello all,

I am looking for conformation that I am using the correct settings on my UB820 for both my display devices.

My first display is a Sony A1E OLED TV, I am currently using the following settings.

Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020

HDR TV type > OLED

HDR Optimizer > On

If I understand correctly with these settings the player will not do any tone mapping of HDR content? Not entirely sure if this is the way to go or if I should be letting the UB820 do the tone mapping instead?



My second display is an Epson 6040UB which I am using a custom gamma curve with the following settings:

Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020

HDR TV type > Middle Luminance

HDR Optimizer > On

Again not sure these are correct either but from what I understand when using a custom gamma curve you are doing the tone mapping at the projector & not in the player?

I could be totally wrong as this HDR tone mapping can get a little confusing at times so if anyone can guide me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it.

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My second display is an Epson 6040UB which I am using a custom gamma curve with the following settings:

Color Gamut Output > HDR/BT.2020

HDR TV type > Middle Luminance

HDR Optimizer > On

Again not sure these are correct either but from what I understand when using a custom gamma curve you are doing the tone mapping at the projector & not in the player?

I could be totally wrong as this HDR tone mapping can get a little confusing at times so if anyone can guide me in the right direction I would greatly appreciate it.
The UB820 can do a far better job with tone mapping than the Epson. I would just set the UB820 to SDR2020.
So that it does all the tone mapping.

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The UB820 “forgets” the subtitle setting evert time you do something - stop and resume, change HDR settings etc. seems like a bug to me.
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You mean if I pause the movie to get a snack, and come back, I have to reset subtitle settings? That stinks!

...I was looking forward to being able to shift subtitles, change luminance, etc. I understood it wouldn't stick from movie to movie, but if it doesn't stick *within* a single movie watching, that's pretty bad, and I agree that it should be called a bug.
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What's ironic is that those options (shift and luminance) retain their previous settings, but the On/Off doesn’t!
Good news! My 820 (firmware v 1.55) only forgets subtitle on/off with Blu-rays which do not have a resume feature. I don't own a UHD disc without a resume feature (if they exist), so I can't test this. With all other discs: DVDs, Blu-rays with a resume feature, and UHD Blu-rays, all subtitle settings are remembered when resuming the disc. This includes pausing, stopping, changing HDR settings. For Blu-rays and UHD Blu-rays this also includes swapping discs, and/or powering the player off. With DVDs (after removing disc or powering off) there is no memory for resume play or subtitles.

For those who don't recall the switch from DVD to Blu-ray, with DVDs it was the player that was capable (or not) of storing playback info for a given disc (last spot played). Players were capable of storing this info for a finite number of DVDs that you had played. With the switch to Blu-ray, this previous playback info was assigned to the disc itself. Some Blu-rays have it, some do not.

But without question my 820 remembers all subtitle settings for all Blu-rays and UHDs that have the resume playback feature.

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The UB820 can do a far better job with tone mapping than the Epson. I would just set the UB820 to SDR2020.
So that it does all the tone mapping.
Would this still be the case even when using a Custom gamma curve?

I seem the remember being told that I needed to send the Full HDR signal to the projector so these curves work correctly?

Would the same settings apply for my OLED in letting UB820 tone map instead?
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But without question my 820 remembers all subtitle settings for all Blu-rays and UHDs that have the resume playback feature.
Do you know if this is only with the latest firmware? I am quite sure mine didn’t behave this way.

I have returned the UB820 but may get a UB420 instead. I don’t need analogue outputs or Dolby Vision (I use it with a projector).
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Do you know if this is only with the latest firmware? I am quite sure mine didn’t behave this way.

I have returned the UB820 but may get a UB420 instead. I don’t need analogue outputs or Dolby Vision (I use it with a projector).
No idea Dominic. This is the only firmware mine has ever run.

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Would this still be the case even when using a Custom gamma curve?

I seem the remember being told that I needed to send the Full HDR signal to the projector so these curves work correctly?
That part is correct, but unless your “custom curve” is truly custom (i.e., customized for your system, at 500 nits), I see no benefit in using it over the UB820 SDR2020. In the latter case you would use a “normal” gamma in the projector.

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Would the same settings apply for my OLED in letting UB820 tone map instead?
For OLED I would just use the OLED setting with Optimizer ON. You not need to have 1000 nits peak to use that, as the TV will tone map when needed.
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Hi all. For some reason I can't get Netflix to stream in HDR. I tried different cables. Even connecting my 33 ft Ruipro optical hdmi cable directly to the 820 to the JVC RS2000. I have the ultra 4k upgrade to Netflix. But it still shows SDR. Not sure what I am doing wrong. It has to be a settings issue. I have attached some pics. Any help or suggestions appreciated.

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Hi all. For some reason I can't get Netflix to stream in HDR. I tried different cables. Even connecting my 33 ft Ruipro optical hdmi cable directly to the 820 to the JVC RS2000. I have the ultra 4k upgrade to Netflix. But it still shows SDR. Not sure what I am doing wrong. It has to be a settings issue. I have attached some pics. Any help or suggestions appreciated.
I believe somebody suggested in another thread to turn Color Mode to Auto, which should fix this. Have you tried that yet??

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Yes when I turn it to auto the colors get real funky. Like yellow tinge.

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Yes when I turn it to auto the colors get real funky. Like yellow tinge.
That doesn't sound right. What Picture Mode and Color Profile is your Projector set to?

When you have it in Auto, what does the JVC Info screen show it's receiving?

You might also turn SDR to HDR Network Service to Off, as this can create problems in other areas. Plus you generally don't want to convert SDR to HDR anyway.

Lastly, what are the other options available for the 4k/60P Output selection? You might also try changing that to Auto, or possibly other setting.

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Yes when I turn it to auto the colors get real funky. Like yellow tinge.

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But did it work? Did you get HDR? If you did, then that's the solution to receiving HDR from Netflix. If the colors are wrong, you may have the wrong gamma chosen for the projector.

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My 820 is hooked up to my RX-A1080 via (1) Monoprice 4K Certified HDMI (3ft). Whenever I play Terminator 2, (UHD and Regular), after I press play in the disc menu it goes into some production company sequence and starts the movie. My receiver takes about 1.5 seconds to engage the DTS-MA Track after the 820 has already started the video. It causes it to abruptly start into this sequence. On my PS4,regular blu ray, (all hooked up to the same system), it is seamless. My receiver engages the DTS-MA Track the same time the video starts and plays normally. I had a similar issue with Star Trek (2009), and resolved it by switching the Resolution from Auto to 4K. Anyone know what can be happening? My receiver is set up correctly and can't think of a setting that would cause this pause.
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That doesn't sound right. What Picture Mode and Color Profile is your Projector set to?

When you have it in Auto, what does the JVC Info screen show it's receiving?

You might also turn SDR to HDR Network Service to Off, as this can create problems in other areas. Plus you generally don't want to convert SDR to HDR anyway.

Lastly, what are the other options available for the 4k/60P Output selection? You might also try changing that to Auto, or possibly other setting.
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But did it work? Did you get HDR? If you did, then that's the solution to receiving HDR from Netflix. If the colors are wrong, you may have the wrong gamma chosen for the projector.

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Finally figured it out. I had the wrong Color Space setting on the PJ. I had it on YCbCr444 instead of "Auto". Once I switched it to Auto all was good! I also changed the Color Mode in the 820 to "Auto" instead of YCbCr (4:4:4). Now tone mapping works on both the PJ and the 820 for Netflix. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions!
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Finally figured it out. I had the wrong Color Space setting on the PJ. I had it on YCbCr444 instead of "Auto". Once I switched it to Auto all was good! I also changed the Color Mode in the 820 to "Auto" instead of YCbCr (4:4:4). Now tone mapping works on both the PJ and the 820 for Netflix. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions!

Yes, only 8bit is supported by HDMI at 4K60/4:4:4, and HDR requires 10bit, that’s why you didn’t get HDR.
Note that there’s a bug in the RSx000 pjs: if you send 4K24/4:4:4 12bit (which is technically supported), the pj down converts to 4:2:2 and then back to 4:4:4, which causes a loss of chroma resolution, and therefore detail (see pics from Manni01 in the JVC owner thread).
Therefore, it’s better to set the 820 to 4:2:2. It does not affect streaming, since only 4:2:2 is supported for 4K60 12bit anyway.
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Yes, only 8bit is supported by HDMI at 4K60/4:4:4, and HDR requires 10bit,
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Therefore, it’s better to set the 820 to 4:2:2. It does not affect streaming, since only 4:2:2 is supported for 4K60 12bit anyway.
But this is incorrect. As Claw has diagnosed and reported, the Netflix app on the 820 will only output HDR if the player is set to 4:4:4. The Netflix app then sends 4:2:2 12-bit. I have confirmed this myself. Due to a flaw in the 820 Netflix app, there is no way to get HDR unless the player is set to 4:4:4. For some reason Netflix in this player demands to see this setting, even though it's not part of the HDR spec and the app itself doesn't even send 4:4:4. This setting does not force 4:4:4. All discs and streams are output correctly.

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With the UB820 set to:

4K60 4:4:4 - The Netflix App shows the HDR badge on content that is available in HDR. I get 4K60 4:2:2 12-bit HDR sent from the player to my JVC....
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By setting the 4K60 Output option to 4:4:4, the Netflix app will output HDR at 4K60 4:2:2 since 4:4:4 can only be sent at 8-bit. The 4:4:4 setting is a maximum supported resolution, not a forced resolution...

The Amazon App has no issue with the 4:2:0 setting.
Many thanks to Claw for diagnosing this issue. This thread should have an FAQ with all his posts compiled.

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As it has been posted here many times in the past, 4K60 @ 4:4:4 requires that the HDMI cable be competent to a minimum of at least 18Gbps. Many following this thread have HDMI cables which are not truly able to carry this bandwidth, irrespective of the manufacturer's claims, thereby creating compatibility issues.

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