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Those settings - are they for the TV or the player?
player. TV would end up being whatever is required for a proper calibration, or variation away from a strict calibration for a chosen aesthetic..

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The UB9000 other benefit is the Audio which once again is what I think and understand is 1st Class.




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Terry what audio advantage does the 9000 have over the 820?
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This audio thing is really starting to annoy me. With audio from both outputs (feeding two receivers so i can do 11.2.4), i can’t for the life of me get it to send bitstream. Instead it is decoding internally.

Makes no sense to have the dacs in a $450 disc player handle things instead of a $3000 high end receiver.

Anybody else using both hdmis and getting the same thing or is it just me? If i can’t get bitstream, this player may have to go back.
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This audio thing is really starting to annoy me. With audio from both outputs (feeding two receivers so i can do 11.2.4), i can’t for the life of me get it to send bitstream. Instead it is decoding internally.

Makes no sense to have the dacs in a $450 disc player handle things instead of a $3000 high end receiver.

Anybody else using both hdmis and getting the same thing or is it just me? If i can’t get bitstream, this player may have to go back.
I don't recall if you've mentioned before, but do you have 'Secondary Audio' turned off? This must be done to send bistream.

It is able to send bitstream, so there must be a setting or connection somewhere misconfigured.

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Secondary audio is turned off. If I don’t turn the second receiver on, which is connected to the audio only HDMI, the video + audio HDMI does send bitstream. When the second receiver is on, and the Panasonic detects it and send audio over both HDMI, it switches to internal decoding
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Seems the selection difference is that the 9000 has 2 selections (High and Basic) for Projectors, while the 820 has Basic only. But, unless I'm completely missing the point, the 820 DOES have a Projector selection to address tone mapping, albeit at 350 nits.
Yes, the UB820 does do Static-Tone-Mapping.

I changed to the UB9000 as I wanted the 350 Nit setting/option as I have a projector.

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Terry what audio advantage does the 9000 have over the 820?
Below are some of the most important features of the UB9000.

Also here is what you wish to know in regards to the Audio on the UB9000.

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https://hometheaterreview.com/panaso...ayer-reviewed/


















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Hold up.

So does the projector setting on the 820 map to 350 or 500? I believe Kris Deering mentioned that 0 on the dynamic range slider corresponded to 350 nits.

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Projector owners, DO NOT USE standard HDR out. Just use SDR2020. DO NOT USE any tone mapping you already had (Chad curve, Arve curve). You need to calibrate your projector for a 2.4 gamma and use 2020 color (or equivalent). Figure out what your peak white nit level is and use that as a starting point for setting the brightness with the slider. I would suggest a 5x multiplier to start. SO, if you have 100 nits, you want to start with 500 nits for the slider. The default level of the slider is 350 (mid point that it starts on). If you go lower, the number gets HIGHER, if you go higher the number is LOWER! All the way up is 100 nits, so you'll hav not figure out the math for what each step is. Start with that and then you can adjust up or down if you feel the need to with different films. It does not have to be perfect, just get yourself close. I've found that 5x is a good place to start and most of the time somewhere between 4 and 6x works for just about every film. If a film is on the darker side for your taste, go to 4K. If it is a really aggressive HDR movie like Mad Max or John Wick 2, 6x will give you more dynamic range for a bit more punch.
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Hold up.

So does the projector setting on the 820 map to 350 or 500? I believe Kris Deering mentioned that 0 on the dynamic range slider corresponded to 350 nits.

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Projector owners, DO NOT USE standard HDR out. Just use SDR2020. DO NOT USE any tone mapping you already had (Chad curve, Arve curve). You need to calibrate your projector for a 2.4 gamma and use 2020 color (or equivalent). Figure out what your peak white nit level is and use that as a starting point for setting the brightness with the slider. I would suggest a 5x multiplier to start. SO, if you have 100 nits, you want to start with 500 nits for the slider. The default level of the slider is 350 (mid point that it starts on). If you go lower, the number gets HIGHER, if you go higher the number is LOWER! All the way up is 100 nits, so you'll hav not figure out the math for what each step is. Start with that and then you can adjust up or down if you feel the need to with different films. It does not have to be perfect, just get yourself close. I've found that 5x is a good place to start and most of the time somewhere between 4 and 6x works for just about every film. If a film is on the darker side for your taste, go to 4K. If it is a really aggressive HDR movie like Mad Max or John Wick 2, 6x will give you more dynamic range for a bit more punch.
The 820 projector setting maps to 500 nits. You need the 9000 to tone map to 350 nits output which is probably more common in most projector setups anyhow.
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Hold up.

So does the projector setting on the 820 map to 350 or 500? I believe Kris Deering mentioned that 0 on the dynamic range slider corresponded to 350 nits.

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Projector owners, DO NOT USE standard HDR out. Just use SDR2020. DO NOT USE any tone mapping you already had (Chad curve, Arve curve). You need to calibrate your projector for a 2.4 gamma and use 2020 color (or equivalent). Figure out what your peak white nit level is and use that as a starting point for setting the brightness with the slider. I would suggest a 5x multiplier to start. SO, if you have 100 nits, you want to start with 500 nits for the slider. The default level of the slider is 350 (mid point that it starts on). If you go lower, the number gets HIGHER, if you go higher the number is LOWER! All the way up is 100 nits, so you'll hav not figure out the math for what each step is. Start with that and then you can adjust up or down if you feel the need to with different films. It does not have to be perfect, just get yourself close. I've found that 5x is a good place to start and most of the time somewhere between 4 and 6x works for just about every film. If a film is on the darker side for your taste, go to 4K. If it is a really aggressive HDR movie like Mad Max or John Wick 2, 6x will give you more dynamic range for a bit more punch.
You are mixing apples and oranges.

The UB820 has a Basic Projector option that maps to 500 nits. This setting is only used for HDR output mode. It is not used for SDR/BT2020 output mode.

In SDR/BT2020 output mode the default position of the Dynamic Range Conversion Adj. slider control represents 350 nits. This slider is not used in HDR output mode.

Note that I don't know how the HDR Dynamic Range Adjustment slider works or how it differs in practice from the SDR/BT2020 Dynamic Range Conversion Adj. slider. So don't ask since I only use SDR/BT2020 output mode.

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You are mixing apples and oranges.

The UB820 has a Basic Projector option that maps to 500 nits. This setting is only used for HDR output mode. It is not used for SDR/BT2020 output mode.

In SDR/BT2020 output mode the default position of the Dynamic Range Conversion slider control represents 350 nits. This slider is not used in HDR output mode.
That being the case, it stands to reason that the default position for the HDR slider is 500 nits in the UB820. So, does moving the Optimizer slider to the right (positive: "brightening" the image) bring the tone mapping closer to 350 nits at some point (4-5 "clicks"?), now equating to the default position to the UB9000's 350 nits setting? Is that how the "Dynamic Range Adjustment" feature works or are there distinctly separate HDR tone mapping curves for each of the 500 nits and 350 nits luminance options? Lastly, the luminance adjustment slider supposedly (according to p.27 of the manual) affects the tone curve. I've never understood that facet of its function and would be grateful for any explanation that you could provide. Thanks, as always, for your input!

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I’m just trying to figure out how to se the dynamic range slide. The recommendation seems to be 4-6x your Projector’s output. Mine is around 115 nits. So I should be setting th slider negative? That doesn’t seem right to me as it makes things seem dim.

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Secondary audio is turned off. If I don’t turn the second receiver on, which is connected to the audio only HDMI, the video + audio HDMI does send bitstream. When the second receiver is on, and the Panasonic detects it and send audio over both HDMI, it switches to internal decoding
Unfortunately, I think that is the way Panasonic configured it to work. It's possible this could be corrected with a firmware update, but I doubt they would do it since your's is a pretty rare way to set up the 820. It's also possible that it's a limitation of the chips and hardware.
Fortunately there is a work around if you are willing to spend an additional $50- $60 for an HDMI splitter and 2 extra HDMI cables.
You would connect the 820's HDMI video/audio directly to your display. Connect the 'audio only' HDMI to the splitter, then out to each of your receivers. I used a setup like this when I had an Oppo 203 and wanted to send movie audio and M-CH music to two different inputs on my processor. I used this splitter and it worked fine- https://smile.amazon.com/gofanco-Pro...%2C181&sr=8-10
Just an option to consider.

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Thanks, but I only have one 45’ premium hdmi cable running in my conduit to the projector, so it needs to stay on the monitor out of the receiver.

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Sorry wrong thread.

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I just received the 820 second hand from a forum member and have a question about this auto shutoff “feature.”

I was watching Mission Impossible Fallout last night and the player automatically shutdown about 20-30 minutes into it. I couldn’t find any settings to shut this “feature” off and by the sounds of what I’ve read this shouldn’t happen while watching a disc.

Was this just a fluke or do I potentially have issues with the player?
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I just received the 820 second hand from a forum member and have a question about this auto shutoff “feature.”

I was watching Mission Impossible Fallout last night and the player automatically shutdown about 20-30 minutes into it. I couldn’t find any settings to shut this “feature” off and by the sounds of what I’ve read this shouldn’t happen while watching a disc.

Was this just a fluke or do I potentially have issues with the player?

I recall others having a similar complaint. Check your firmware version. It should be 1.60 (issued on July 25, 2019). You can download it through this link and also, find instructions on doing so. I hope this helps.

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I recall others having a similar complaint. Check your firmware version. It should be 1.60 (issued on July 25, 2019). You can download it through this link and also, find instructions on doing so. I hope this helps.

Thanks. I believe I checked for an update when I initially set it up, but will double check when I get home.

One other question. Anyone have issues with linking the 820 to Harmony remotes? I added the 820, but it’s not responding to the IR of my elite controller.
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anyone using a C8 ? i am trying to adjust the white / black tone curve on the UB820 and can't to find the right combination of setting to use .can anyone help .....yes i am new at this
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I just received the 820 second hand from a forum member and have a question about this auto shutoff “feature.”

I was watching Mission Impossible Fallout last night and the player automatically shutdown about 20-30 minutes into it. I couldn’t find any settings to shut this “feature” off and by the sounds of what I’ve read this shouldn’t happen while watching a disc.

Was this just a fluke or do I potentially have issues with the player?
I have the exact same issue with my brand new 820. In my case it randomly shuts-off about 5-10 minutes while playing a DVD. So far this has been repeatable. I've tried to contact Panasonic Global Support but have not heard back yet. Looks like I will be returning this unit and getting myself something else...
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Finally got hold of Panasonic Chat Support. They just told me to return it to the store (since it's brand new) or send it in for service. Not much help there...
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Finally got hold of Panasonic Chat Support. They just told me to return it to the store (since it's brand new) or send it in for service. Not much help there...
Never ever would I deal with manufacturer support while in the retailer return period. I 100% would do an exchange.
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I have the exact same issue with my brand new 820. In my case it randomly shuts-off about 5-10 minutes while playing a DVD. So far this has been repeatable. I've tried to contact Panasonic Global Support but have not heard back yet. Looks like I will be returning this unit and getting myself something else...
It's not a faulty player but was designed that way for energy regulations and some people have been asking for a firmware to allow them to turn off that auto shut down. It takes around 20 minutes for it to kick on and is def annoying because sometimes i have to take a call and when i come back to the movie it's off.
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It's not a faulty player but was designed that way for energy regulations and some people have been asking for a firmware to allow them to turn off that auto shut down. It takes around 20 minutes for it to kick on and is def annoying because sometimes i have to take a call and when i come back to the movie it's off.
In my case, it shuts off WHILE WATCHING a movie. Definitely not a behavior I would expect!
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It's not a faulty player but was designed that way for energy regulations and some people have been asking for a firmware to allow them to turn off that auto shut down. It takes around 20 minutes for it to kick on and is def annoying because sometimes i have to take a call and when i come back to the movie it's off.




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In my case, it shuts off WHILE WATCHING a movie. Definitely not a behavior I would expect!

It might also be an overly zealous attempt by Panasonic to protect the connected equipment and transport motor. On page 19 of the manual under the "Playback" heading there's a statement to the effect that the motor continues to spin during menus with the advice to press "Stop" when finished playing so as "...to protect the motor, TV screen and so on." Consider that any player's transport drawer and motor probably gets more wear and tear than any other mechanism in a system. I know for a fact that with my own and friends' equipment over the years that it always seems to be the player that develops problems before any other gear. Just sayin'.

Be that as it may, I've not had any "stoppage" issues. Seems most discs reboot back to the stop point for me.

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So selecting projector and OLED etc only affects if the output is set to HDR/BT2020?

I see the advice to use SDR/BT2020.. (or is that only recommended for projector owners)
Who is supposed to use HDR/BT2020?
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anyone using a C8 ? i am trying to adjust the white / black tone curve on the UB820 and can't to find the right combination of setting to use .can anyone help .....yes i am new at this
You may only need a couple notches at most. I found it makes things ugly quick, I can see the dithering and graying out while messing around, so I leave it alone.
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You may only need a couple notches at most. I found it makes things ugly quick, I can see the dithering and graying out while messing around, so I leave it alone.
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Hello I am new here and am wondering if any owners of both the 820 and 9000 can speak to the difference in movie audio, if any via HDMI between the two players. Is there any change in clarity, dynamics etc! For the video image via a 4k DLP projector, it sounds like it's pretty much a tie!
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I am considering the Panasonic 820 player in order to complement the MadVR HDR->SDR2020 tonemapping I do with my UHD rips. But before I purchase it, can I get a confirmation that HDR->SDR2020 tonemapping works with NetFlix and Amazon Prime? Or will the app request the 4K SDR version from Netflix/Amazon prime instead?

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