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Pairing a 820 with a JVC projector is certainly not off topic in this 820 thread. Asking about the advantages of the 820 over the OPPO 203 is getting a bit off, maybe.
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I posted this over on the oppo forum, but was wondering if anyone here had thoughts...

Hi all, I understand there is a problem with the oppo 203 doing the the tone mapping for hdr to sdr 2020 conversion. If I'm correct it has to do with passing the whole expanded color profile.

Some have suggested getting the new panny player which seems to do a great job at discs, but does not have an hdmi input (I think). I watch a ton of movies on digital (vudu on a roku, or chromecast) that I run through the oppo input and have it do the sdr 2020 conversion.

Does anyone know of a device short of getting a lumagen that will do a better job of this tone mapping/conversion than the oppo?

My projector is a sony 885es and just watching native hdr leaves much to be desired....
You've pretty much identified the strength of the UB820 (its tone-mapping) and its weaknesses (the lack of an HDMI input, and some current limitations in applying its tone mapping to its onboard Apps, currently only Amazon, Netflix, and YouTube, from what I've read).

It is possible, although unknown, that the Panny may add Vudu, and enable the player to consistently allow the use of its tone mapping with all of its onboard apps, but there are no guarantees here.

The other approach is to use a different tone mapping process, with the Lumagen being one pricey option, the other being use of an HTPC with MadVR.

Another interesting approach, which may or may not interest you, lies with the new line of JVC Projectors. They all include what they call 'auto tone mapping,' and if this proves as competent as that of the UB820, would solve this problem for many of us, in that it can do the tone mapping for any HDR content, regardless of the source.

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Hi all,

I just pulled the trigger on the UB820. After scanning this thread, I see that it is recommended that we use SDR2020 for the UB820 and my JVC x590r. If I'm understanding what I've read, I need to setup the UB820 and x590r with the settings below.

UB820 and x590r settings: (If I'm wrong, misunderstanding or missing something, please let me know.)

1. Select SDR2020 on UB820.
2. Select gamma HDR(ST.2084) - Note: This projector doesn't have a BT2020 gamma.
3. Turn on HDR Optimizer.
4. Adjust the Dynamic Range/Brightness Adjustment as needed.

Also, should the lamp setting be on low or high?
Everything is correct except Step 2. You will select Gamma 2.4 in your Projector, and select BT2020 as the 'Color Profile', not the Gamma.

High or Low lamp is determined by personal preference, and influenced by the size and gain of your screen, distance from the projector, and how bring you like your image. In other words, there is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer here.
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I posted this over on the oppo forum, but was wondering if anyone here had thoughts...

Hi all, I understand there is a problem with the oppo 203 doing the the tone mapping for hdr to sdr 2020 conversion. If I'm correct it has to do with passing the whole expanded color profile.

Some have suggested getting the new panny player which seems to do a great job at discs, but does not have an hdmi input (I think). I watch a ton of movies on digital (vudu on a roku, or chromecast) that I run through the oppo input and have it do the sdr 2020 conversion.

Does anyone know of a device short of getting a lumagen that will do a better job of this tone mapping/conversion than the oppo?

My projector is a sony 885es and just watching native hdr leaves much to be desired....


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This is why I own both a 203 and a Panasonic 900 (likely purchase the 9000 in October) for my Sony 5000 projector. I have no interest to add a Lumagen. These 2 players in combination do everything I need. I also run my Nvidia Shield through the 203 for its processing and aspect ratio control.
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Everything is correct except Step 2. You will select Gamma 2.4 in your Projector, and select BT2020 as the 'Color Profile', not the Gamma.

High or Low lamp is determined by personal preference, and influenced by the size and gain of your screen, distance from the projector, and how bring you like your image. In other words, there is no 'right' or 'wrong' answer here.
Thanks DLCPhoto. My projector only has Standard, Cinema and "HDR" available as color profiles, so I assume HDR is the equivalent to BT2020. Thanks again for your help. Can't wait to get the UB820 setup to see what the projector can really do!

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Panasonic UB-820 Question

It has been a very long time since I purchased a BD player (Panasonic BDT-210) and is appears that things have gotten considerably more complex since then. I thought about just posting my question to the Official Panasonic forum but most of that discussion appears to center around delivery and projectors so I thought it be best to start a new post for my question. And yes, much to my embarrassment, this is going to be a settings question.

I'm putting together a new home theater upstairs and the BD player path will be UB-820 -> Yamaha RX-V780 -> LG 65C8 via 4' Premium High Speed HDMI cables. I really dislike having to adjust settings when we watch a movie (WAF comes into mind ) so what is recommended for basic settings that are set and forget for any type of disk (BD, DVD, 4k UHD)? The HTS will be hardwired but for updates only. Streaming is via another device. I'm still finishing up the ethernet wiring so will purchase the UB-820 and the LG once the wiring is done and tested. The idea is to plug and play initially so I can show the wife the benefits of the new equipment and then as I get more comfortable with all that is in play I can start to tweak, if need be. I've looked at the manual but like I said, things have become much more complicated since the days of blu-ray and 1080i.
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Whoa whoa
why is this thread now being polluted with Oppo and JVC talk
Surely this should be taken to the appropriate threads
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Pairing a 820 with a JVC projector is certainly not off topic in this 820 thread. Asking about the advantages of the 820 over the OPPO 203 is getting a bit off, maybe.
if we not discuss/compare UB820 with other player like Oppo 203, how do we know the strength/weakness of the UB820 over the 203? this is useful for those who torn between purchase/keep 203 or getting an UB820 (depends on individual preference/ needs)
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Just ordered a Best Buy "open box - excellent" 820 with full warranty. Looks like there are more available. Mine shipped from a store in NJ.
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if we not discuss/compare UB820 with other player like Oppo 203, how do we know the strength/weakness of the UB820 over the 203? this is useful for those who torn between purchase/keep 203 or getting an UB820 (depends on individual preference/ needs)
Open a new UB820 vs Oppo 203 comparison thread. Things got so bad in the Oppo 203 owners thread with all the comparisons to the UB900 that a separate UB900 vs Oppo 203 comparison thread was created.

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I can't find any feedback about the analog output on this player.
Not tested yet?
Also can it get sound from tv in that configuration? (no hdmi ARC mention? )

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My Oppo 203 died. So, it looks like the Panny 820 will be purchased.

I recall that in the past, you had to manually set the HDR output (HDR10, DV, etc). I hope that is no longer true. Can it function as the Apple TV does? IE, set a base output such as 4K SDR which I set for my ATV and then have it automatically switch to HDR10 or DV if it detects that signal?

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It has been a very long time since I purchased a BD player (Panasonic BDT-210) and is appears that things have gotten considerably more complex since then. I thought about just posting my question to the Official Panasonic forum but most of that discussion appears to center around delivery and projectors so I thought it be best to start a new post for my question. And yes, much to my embarrassment, this is going to be a settings question.

I'm putting together a new home theater upstairs and the BD player path will be UB-820 -> Yamaha RX-V780 -> LG 65C8 via 4' Premium High Speed HDMI cables. I really dislike having to adjust settings when we watch a movie (WAF comes into mind ) so what is recommended for basic settings that are set and forget for any type of disk (BD, DVD, 4k UHD)? The HTS will be hardwired but for updates only. Streaming is via another device. I'm still finishing up the ethernet wiring so will purchase the UB-820 and the LG once the wiring is done and tested. The idea is to plug and play initially so I can show the wife the benefits of the new equipment and then as I get more comfortable with all that is in play I can start to tweak, if need be. I've looked at the manual but like I said, things have become much more complicated since the days of blu-ray and 1080i.
1. Set the UB820 to the OLED setting.
2. Set Dolby Vision to ON.
3. Set HDR Optimizer to ON. (However, this is optional with the C8.)
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1. Set the UB820 to the OLED setting.
2. Set Dolby Vision to ON.
3. Set HDR Optimizer to ON. (However, this is optional with the C8.)
Doh! Thanks for the hand holding. That's it for video? I had a few more settings that I needed to set for the BDT-210 under HDMI connection.

What I have for my current BDT-210 for audio is:

Dynamic Range Compression: Auto
Digital Audio Output: bitstream On for Dolby TrueHD and DTS/DTS-HD, with Secondary Audio Off
PCM Downconversion: Off
Downmix: Surround encoded
7.1 ch Audio Reformatting : Off
High Clarity Sound: Disable
Audio Delay: 0ms

Does the audio portion sound about right as well for the UB820? I won't be running 7.1 or Atmos for quite some time.

Boy do I feel like a newb because it's been such a long time since I've had to learn and set up a BD player, receiver, and new tv. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like once the LG is delivered
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Very bad first impression of value electronics Ordered ub 820. Received ub 900 glad I haven't listed OPPO yet. Edit. They sent me the correct player before I even sent other one back.

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Doh! Thanks for the hand holding. That's it for video? I had a few more settings that I needed to set for the BDT-210 under HDMI connection.

What I have for my current BDT-210 for audio is:

Dynamic Range Compression: Auto
Digital Audio Output: bitstream On for Dolby TrueHD and DTS/DTS-HD, with Secondary Audio Off
PCM Downconversion: Off
Downmix: Surround encoded
7.1 ch Audio Reformatting : Off
High Clarity Sound: Disable
Audio Delay: 0ms

Does the audio portion sound about right as well for the UB820? I won't be running 7.1 or Atmos for quite some time.

Boy do I feel like a newb because it's been such a long time since I've had to learn and set up a BD player, receiver, and new tv. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like once the LG is delivered
I think most of those sound specs are OK but it's personal preference. I don't know what Dynamic Range Compression Auto does. I believe I had set mine to off.
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I’m sure it’s a mix up. VE is a highly regarded retailer. If there’s a problem, 100% chance they will fix it.

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That's bad, but everyone makes mistakes. Give them a chance to fix it.

I don't recall anyone ever suggesting VA was a bait-and-switch store, so I highly doubt that's the case here.
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I’m sure it’s a mix up. VE is a highly regarded retailer. If there’s a problem, 100% chance they will fix it.
Just disappointed more than anything mistakes happen. It was on FedEx truck to be delivered for 3 days before it showed up lol I hate FedEx delivered last 3 items to wrong house
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I think most of those sound specs are OK but it's personal preference. I don't know what Dynamic Range Compression Auto does. I believe I had set mine to off.
Thanks for looking at them. I can't wait to get it all setup.
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I noticed some interesting things with the optimizer last night. As we know most titles are 1000 nits and the optimizer on off doesn't show any difference. Watched passengers and fantastic beats which I think is 4000 nits. Both those titles get darker with optimizer on. Honestly I preferred it off. I didn't feel like I was getting any more details in highlights just dimmer.

Now on blade runner 2049 at 10,000 the image gets brighter overall with the optimizer on and I prefer it that way

This is doing sdr bt2020 to an older but 4k, non hdr jvc rs4910
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That's bad, but everyone makes mistakes. Give them a chance to fix it.

I don't recall anyone ever suggesting VA was a bait-and-switch store, so I highly doubt that's the case here.
A mistake was made. Value electronics has sold hundreds of the 820's. Just give them a call and they will take care of it
immediately. They are in no way a bait and switch store. Robert the owner is one of the most honest people in the industry.
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Has anyone in the USA got the Alexa voice control setup yet? I cannot find the skill for it in the Alexa app. I have searched the internet for it and I can only find it on the German Amazon site. Plus when I go to setup the voice login on the Panasonic side going to rec.panasonic.com/voice/login it gives an error every time. If someone in the US has had success doing this please let me know how you did it. Thanks
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A bit late here but is the 820 for DV compatible w/Sony TVs. Thanks!

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UB820K vs UB900 to pair with JVC dla-X590R projector

I just got the projector and upgraded my AVR to support 4k. The AVR supports everything. The projector supports HDR-10 but not DV.

I'm wondering what differences would merit the new player vs the old one for my setup. Would there be any? I'm not using it for audio discs... This thing will be use for HT only.

What I'm particularly curious about is how the new model would handle UHD discs that use Dolby Vision. Given that my projector doesn't support DV but does support HDR-10, can the panny convert to HDR-10? I know it can convert HDR->SDR...

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I just got the projector and upgraded my AVR to support 4k. The AVR supports everything. The projector supports HDR-10 but not DV.

I'm wondering what differences would merit the new player vs the old one for my setup. Would there be any? I'm not using it for audio discs... This thing will be use for HT only.

What I'm particularly curious about is how the new model would handle UHD discs that use Dolby Vision. Given that my projector doesn't support DV but does support HDR-10, can the panny convert to HDR-10? I know it can convert HDR->SDR...

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As I understand it, Dolby Vision discs also carry the "regular" HDR10 layer. So if DV is turned off in the player, the HDR10 layer will be used instead.

This is also good for 2016 LG OLED owners since DV couldn't be calibrated on those models. I'll be turning DV off on mine since my C6 had a green push out of the box.

The "big" feature in this player that no other player has so far is the HDR Optimization function that can reduce highlight detail "blow out" on display devices that have a limited HDR light output.

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As I understand it, Dolby Vision discs also carry the "regular" HDR10 layer. So if DV is turned off in the player, the HDR10 layer will be used instead.

This is also good for 2016 LG OLED owners since DV couldn't be calibrated on those models. I'll be turning DV off on mine since my C6 had a green push out of the box.

The "big" feature in this player that no other player has so far is the HDR Optimization function that can reduce highlight detail "blow out" on display devices that have a limited HDR light output.
Oh ok. That's good news. I'm just getting into the 4k stuff after my 1080p projector suddenly died and I really haven't been tracking what's going on with all the different standards. I think I am going to go for the 820, as it seems to be quite popular with JVC owners for the tone curve feature.

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Hi all,

I just pulled the trigger on the UB820. After scanning this thread, I see that it is recommended that we use SDR2020 for the UB820 and my JVC x590r. If I'm understanding what I've read, I need to setup the UB820 and x590r with the settings below.

UB820 and x590r settings: (If I'm wrong, misunderstanding or missing something, please let me know.)

1. Select SDR2020 on UB820.
2. Select gamma HDR(ST.2084) - Note: This projector doesn't have a BT2020 gamma.
3. Turn on HDR Optimizer.
4. Adjust the Dynamic Range/Brightness Adjustment as needed.

Also, should the lamp setting be on low or high?

Any assistance is greatly appreceated.

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Set the JVC for a 2.4 gamma since the UB820 will be applying tone mapping which is creating the HDR gamma mapping. The JVC color gamut should be set to Rec. 2020.
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Hi, yes I tried that, it doesn't make a difference with Youtube HDR, it's definitely not right, the saturation is way down. it's the same issue on the UB900, they never fixed it.

Netflix is no problem, it looks fine. it would have been nice for the SDR/BT2020 tone mapping to work though. If JVC rsx00 and rsx20 want the DI working with Netflix HDR, they would need to keep the HDfury product.
Any chance they would provide tone mapping for the Netflix app via firmware update?
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