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My thoughts are similar to yours I think - it's all in the chipset and resultant PQ for me. All my equipment is in an equipment room out of sight. The only time I really ever see the 820 is when I press "Eject" to load or change a disc.
I agree. I had an X800 and have an Oppo-203 both of which are built like tanks. The Oppo's finish is very classy as well. I don't mind the "less robust" UB820 at all. Does anyone put their AV components in places where they will fall on a hard floor or something heavy will fall on them? I doubt it and like you, I'll take superior performance over aesthetics every time.
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I agree. I had an X800 and have an Oppo-203 both of which are built like tanks. The Oppo's finish is very classy as well. I don't mind the "less robust" UB820 at all. Does anyone put their AV components in places where they will fall on a hard floor or something heavy will fall on them? I doubt it and like you, I'll take superior performance over aesthetics every time.
I think they just look too cheap at this price point to a lot of people. They have the build quality and materials of a typical player that costs 1/2 as much.

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Do the apps support Dolby Atmos, Amazon and Netflix?

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I think they just look too cheap at this price point to a lot of people. They have the build quality and materials of a typical player that costs 1/2 as much.

But do those players that cost 1/2 as much perform as well?
For me it's all about performance.

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Panny you are paying for overhead, name, in-class performance, and at the current price, it is fine IMO. It has several functions Oppo did not offer when it comes to streaming and quality disc playback (plus one they NEVER got right). Do you want something that looks pretty, or offers you most ability for a pretty picture? I want the latter.
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Panny you are paying for overhead, name, in-class performance, and at the current price, it is fine IMO. It has several functions Oppo did not offer when it comes to streaming and quality disc playback (plus one they NEVER got right). Do you want something that looks pretty, or offers you most ability for a pretty picture? I want the latter.
I agree and believe that Panasonic performance superior to other players, i had Oppo 203 when first came out and had UB900 and comparing myself returned the 203 and kept ub900.
Now i got the 820 and similar to ub900 built quality wise and performance excellent (pure disk playback 4k or regular BD discs) but on this new 820 remote is completely a joke, it feels like you buy $30 dvd players comes this kind of remote.
Big plus for me that i can use UB900 remote (which is a very good quality) with this new 820 player
After all performance matter the most anyway and where Panasonic shines.
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I fully agree their decision on the remote was "suck".

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If only Panasonic supported SACD playback...

I'm hoping Sony and Pioneer add HDR optimizers to their next players. Get some good competition going again!

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So after hearing all these great reviews.......I went ahead and sold my oppo 203 for 2x the amount i paid for it and got a ub820.
Picture so far is good, but was wondering if anyone could give me some advice on the settings.
I have it hooked up to a Sony A1e oled
Ive noticed that it tends to wash out the colors a bit with hdr when using netflix and or youtube.
I can't seem to get netflix to play dolby vision just HDR
And lastly can't seem to stream any 4k hdr on youtube without it looking washed out and buffering like crazy ( with a gigabit connection)
Any help and advice would be appreciated.....overall picture quality seems better than the oppo when playing 4k discs
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Hi

Just started reading this thread (up to page 2!) but I was wondering if someone may be able to answer a question for me quickly.

I own a JVC X500 (RS49) and recently bought a device to get around HDCP 2.2 so am enjoying Netflix 4K. I’m keen to get into UHDBD now but my projector won’t accept HDR.

Having read a little on the 420/820 I’m hearing great things about the tone mapping and I understand the player can be set to output SDR REC709.

I suppose my question is, have I understood it right that the tone mapping is applied during the conversion from HDR to SDR and the abilities of these players to do that makes the resulting conversion look pretty much ‘right’ in respect to colour, contrast, black levels?

I’m assuming setting it to REC709 would be the right thing, as opposed to BT2020?

Apologies if these are dumb questions. My pj isn’t calibrated but I like the way it looks, I just don’t want to invest in UHDBD if the image is overall going to be worse than BD. I should state that my main interest is due to some of the excellent 4K remasters like Predator, Batman Begins, Mission Impossible, Die Hard etc which they clearly aren’t releasing on standard BluRay. If they were I’d probably stick with 1080p.

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Having a weird issue with amazon/youtube apps and HDR...

Netflix 4k HDR works (and looks) great!
But Amazon Prime 4K and Youtube, when used, display 4k but the JVC X790 projector shows the colors faded and incorrectly with these apps. My setup goes 820 to Marantz 7010 - JVC X790, and like I said, Netflix works perfectly in 4K HDR. What am I missing here with Amazon and Youtube?
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Hi

Just started reading this thread (up to page 2!) but I was wondering if someone may be able to answer a question for me quickly.

I own a JVC X500 (RS49) and recently bought a device to get around HDCP 2.2 so am enjoying Netflix 4K. I’m keen to get into UHDBD now but my projector won’t accept HDR.

Having read a little on the 420/820 I’m hearing great things about the tone mapping and I understand the player can be set to output SDR REC709.

I suppose my question is, have I understood it right that the tone mapping is applied during the conversion from HDR to SDR and the abilities of these players to do that makes the resulting conversion look pretty much ‘right’ in respect to colour, contrast, black levels?

I’m assuming setting it to REC709 would be the right thing, as opposed to BT2020?

Apologies if these are dumb questions. My pj isn’t calibrated but I like the way it looks, I just don’t want to invest in UHDBD if the image is overall going to be worse than BD. I should state that my main interest is due to some of the excellent 4K remasters like Predator, Batman Begins, Mission Impossible, Die Hard etc which they clearly aren’t releasing on standard BluRay. If they were I’d probably stick with 1080p.

Cheers for any advice.
Start here to read some HDR/SDR info from Kris Deering:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post56672146
Over the next few days of posts, you will get lots of info.
I would also update your firmware to the latest.
http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/.../ub420_us.html

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Start here to read some HDR/SDR info from Kris Deering:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...l#post56672146
Over the next few days of posts, you will get lots of info.
I would also update your firmware to the latest.
http://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/.../ub420_us.html

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Thank you, I will have a read!
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Hey guys I was watching the first Predator 4K last night and it froze around the 50.15 mark. It played but continued pause over and over. So sound would cut in and out. When I tested the disc on my Xbox One X it didn’t freeze. How can I figured out if it’s disc or the player? I also got 2 quick freezes with Solo 4K but played fine on my Xbox. I did a hard reset but that didn’t help. I’m coming up on my 30 days with player so kinda need to figure it out soon. Thanks.


Question: Anyone have any ideas why same disc doesn’t freeze up on my Xbox One X. From everything I’ve read the Panasonic should be a way superior player. Any thoughts would be helpful. Not sure if I should return player. I purchased from Value Electronics but it seems they’re out of stock for now. Tomorrow os 30 days I’ve had with player.
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Hey guys I was watching the first Predator 4K last night and it froze around the 50.15 mark. It played but continued pause over and over. So sound would cut in and out. When I tested the disc on my Xbox One X it didn’t freeze. How can I figured out if it’s disc or the player? I also got 2 quick freezes with Solo 4K but played fine on my Xbox. I did a hard reset but that didn’t help. I’m coming up on my 30 days with player so kinda need to figure it out soon. Thanks.


Question: Anyone have any ideas why same disc doesn’t freeze up on my Xbox One X. From everything I’ve read the Panasonic should be a way superior player. Any thoughts would be helpful. Not sure if I should return player. I purchased from Value Electronics but it seems they’re out of stock for now. Tomorrow os 30 days I’ve had with player.
I watched Predator & Solo UHD without issue. I did have an issue with Thor during the Wonka sequence when I watched it UHD, but I haven't watched it since having the installed the last 2 FW updates.

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Panny you are paying for overhead, name, in-class performance, and at the current price, it is fine IMO. It has several functions Oppo did not offer when it comes to streaming and quality disc playback (plus one they NEVER got right). Do you want something that looks pretty, or offers you most ability for a pretty picture? I want the latter.
Curious as to what function you believe they never got right.
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Curious as to what function you believe they never got right.
Tone mapping. Something Panny had right on the 900 and made even better on the 820. Drives were also pickier on my 203’s but that’s another horse that’s dead.

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Tone mapping. Something Panny had right on the 900 and made even better on the 820. Drives were also pickier on my 203’s but that’s another horse that’s dead.
Is the tone mapping automatic, or do you have to active? I understand is also works for SDR conversion.
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Hi

Just started reading this thread (up to page 2!) but I was wondering if someone may be able to answer a question for me quickly.

I own a JVC X500 (RS49) and recently bought a device to get around HDCP 2.2 so am enjoying Netflix 4K. I’m keen to get into UHDBD now but my projector won’t accept HDR.

Having read a little on the 420/820 I’m hearing great things about the tone mapping and I understand the player can be set to output SDR REC709.

I suppose my question is, have I understood it right that the tone mapping is applied during the conversion from HDR to SDR and the abilities of these players to do that makes the resulting conversion look pretty much ‘right’ in respect to colour, contrast, black levels?

I’m assuming setting it to REC709 would be the right thing, as opposed to BT2020?

Apologies if these are dumb questions. My pj isn’t calibrated but I like the way it looks, I just don’t want to invest in UHDBD if the image is overall going to be worse than BD. I should state that my main interest is due to some of the excellent 4K remasters like Predator, Batman Begins, Mission Impossible, Die Hard etc which they clearly aren’t releasing on standard BluRay. If they were I’d probably stick with 1080p.

Cheers for any advice.
JVC does provide a BT.2020 color profile for download that you can upload to the RS49 using the Autocal software. Check the RS49 thread for details. Then you can set the UB820 to SDR/BT2020 instead of REC709.

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Is the tone mapping automatic, or do you have to active? I understand is also works for SDR conversion.
Tone Mapping occurs when:

- UB820 in HDR output mode with HDR Optimizer turned ON. In this case the UB820 tone maps the highlights that are too bright for your TV or projector. The TV/projector will then tone map the HDR it receives from the UB820 where the bright highlights have already been tone mapped. The idea behind this is that the UB820 HDR Optimizer can do a better job of tone mapping bright highlights than your TV/projector can.

- UB820 in SDR/BT2020 (or SDR/REC709) output mode. The HDR Optimizer can be turned ON to tone map based on disc metadata values for MaxCLL and MaxDML. When the Optimizer is turned OFF, the UB820 uses a 1000 nit default tone map. In this case your TV/projector does not tone map HDR to SDR. It receives SDR BT.2020 or SDR REC709 from the UB820.

The only time there is no tone mapping is when the UB820 is in HDR output mode and the HDR Optimizer is turned OFF. In this case, your TV or Projector must perform all of the tone mapping.
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So is this blu-ray player a kind of "set it and forget it" player...?

Or is it more involved than that?

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Tone Mapping occurs when:

- UB820 in HDR output mode with HDR Optimizer turned ON. In this case the UB820 tone maps the highlights that are too bright for your TV or projector. The TV/projector will then tone map the HDR it receives from the UB820 where the bright highlights have already been tone mapped. The idea behind this is that the UB820 HDR Optimizer can do a better job of tone mapping bright highlights than your TV/projector can.

- UB820 in SDR/BT2020 (or SDR/REC709) output mode. The HDR Optimizer can be turned ON to tone map based on disc metadata values for MaxCLL and MaxDML. When the Optimizer is turned OFF, the UB820 uses a 1000 nit default tone map. In this case your TV/projector does not tone map HDR to SDR. It receives SDR BT.2020 or SDR REC709 from the UB820.

The only time there is no tone mapping is when the UB820 is in HDR output mode and the HDR Optimizer is turned OFF. In this case, your TV or Projector must perform all of the tone mapping.
Thanks. I'm using SDR/REC709. How can I turn ON the Optimizer to tone map? I thought you had to be set to HDR/BT2020 or SDR/BT2020 to access the Optimizer.
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Thanks. I'm using SDR/REC709. How can I turn ON the Optimizer to tone map? I thought you had to be set to HDR/BT2020 or SDR/BT2020 to access the Optimizer.
On the controller, the lower left button of the main navigation control, gets you into the menus. Toggle down one step to the video menu. When you enter, the optimizer on off is the 1st option, and below are the slider, brightness and white and black tone curve adjustments.

The HDR button shortcut only works in hdr bt2020 mode.

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I would note if you get the ub900 remote, the video settings button on the bottom left, just above the remote light button, takes right to the video menu with the HDR controls.

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Woo hoo! UB820 on the way :)

Really stoked. I have the 820 on the way. I need a link to someone who can give me settings.

My PJ is the JVC x750r/rs500. I’ve been using it with the HDfury Linker and custom curves.
What shall I set this thing to once I hook’er up?
Do I still continue to use my Linker?
Do I adjust settings on my PJ?

Thanks in advance guys!
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JVC does provide a BT.2020 color profile for download that you can upload to the RS49 using the Autocal software. Check the RS49 thread for details. Then you can set the UB820 to SDR/BT2020 instead of REC709.
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Really stoked. I have the 820 on the way. I need a link to someone who can give me settings.

My PJ is the JVC x750r/rs500. I’ve been using it with the HDfury Linker and custom curves.
What shall I set this thing to once I hook’er up?
Do I still continue to use my Linker?
Do I adjust settings on my PJ?

Thanks in advance guys!
On your projector you want to set HDR profile or Custom profile to:

- Choose bt2020 color on the JVC, Gamma 2.4 and 6500 color temp.
- Save those settings (I just edited the HDR profile on mine)

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- SDR BT 2020
- Optimizer = ON
In HDR optimizer:
- Luminance slider = I set it at defaut (center of the slider and then added +1)
- White Tone = -2 (or to taste)
- Black tone = +2 (or to taste)

Set other 820 picture controls to taste, but i leave them at default settings. I would take the HDLInker and custom curves out of the picture (no pun intended) and see which you like best.
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On your projector you want to set HDR profile or Custom profile to:

- Choose bt2020 color on the JVC, Gamma 2.4 and 6500 color temp.
- Save those settings (I just edited the HDR profile on mine)

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- I use the LCD/PROJECTOR display option
- SDR BT 2020
- Optimizer = ON
In HDR optimizer:
- Luminance slider = I set it at defaut (center of the slider and then added +1)
- White Tone = -2 (or to taste)
- Black tone = +2 (or to taste)

Set other 820 picture controls to taste, but i leave them at default settings. I would take the HDLInker and custom curves out of the picture (no pun intended) and see which you like best.
The HDR TV Type that you set to LCD/PROJECTOR is not used for SDR/BT2020. It is only used when output is set to HDR.

The Luminance slider is not used for SDR/BT2020. It is only valid for HDR output.

The Dynamic Range Conversion Adjustment slider is used for SDR/BT2020. I set mine 2 clicks to the left to get better contrast; although it does darken the picture a bit. I have plenty of brightness so I preferred it this way.

SDR/BT2020 is the way to go in my opinion. I tried HDR output with the Optimizer turned on and custom curves in my RS500, but it just can't compare to SDR/BT2020 mode.

And yes, I configured a custom SDRBT2020 user mode in my RS500 with

- BT.2020 color profile
- Custom Gamma set to 2.4
- 6500 color temp

I keep my HDfury Vertex in the loop as I use its JVC macro to automatically select my SDRBT2020 user mode.

A Vertex/Linker/Integral is not needed to prevent the JVC from selecting Gamma D or to prevent disabling of the dynamic iris when the UB820 is in SDR/BT2020 output mode. One would still be required if the UB820 is in HDR output mode.
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The HDR TV Type that you set to LCD/PROJECTOR is not used for SDR/BT2020. It is only used when output is set to HDR.

The Luminance slider is not used for SDR/BT2020. It is only valid for HDR output.

The Dynamic Range Conversion Adjustment slider is used for SDR/BT2020. I set mine 2 clicks to the left to get better contrast; although it does darken the picture a bit. I have plenty of brightness so I preferred it this way.

SDR/BT2020 is the way to go in my opinion. I tried HDR output with the Optimizer turned on and custom curves in my RS500, but it just can't compare to SDR/BT2020 mode.
Thanks for the corrections I was going off memory
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