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I ended up returning my 820. I liked the performance, however hated the remote and fan noise.
My Oppo 205 is dead silent in comparison and will have to do until I can get my hands one a newer unit.

Looking forward to the Panasonic DP-UB9000 or the Pioneer UDP-LX500 (however the guts appear a bit empty IMO..)

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I ended up returning my 820. I liked the performance, however hated the remote and fan noise.
My Oppo 205 is dead silent in comparison and will have to do until I can get my hands one a newer unit.

Looking forward to the Panasonic DP-UB9000 or the Pioneer UDP-LX500 (however the guts appear a bit empty IMO..)
I'm thinking of getting an 820. Other than those complaints (I run Simple Control and have a separate equipment room.) did you like what it did?
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is the 820 supposed to ever get an update so it has the Vudu app??
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is the 820 supposed to ever get an update so it has the Vudu app??
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Hi, I bought the 820 and the Vizio PQ 65" tv. Should I have the 820 HDR Optimizer turned ON or OFF?

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Another question. I have a Pioneer VSX-D811S (no HDMI inputs) wired analog to it and have the 820 audio set to 7.1 analog but I'm out of sync. If I turn it off and go to bitstream from the vizio PQ all is fine. Any help?

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Hi, I bought the 820 and the Vizio PQ 65" tv. Should I have the 820 HDR Optimizer turned ON or OFF?

Your TV claims to be able to output 2000 nits. Only you can decide if you prefer the result with HDR Optimizer turned On with HDR TV Type set for 1500 nits, the maximum target the Optimizer allows; or leave Optimizer turned Off and let your TV perform tone mapping to 2000 nits.


Either way I think in your case HDR output will be preferable to SDR/BT2020 mode which is better utilized by projectors and older HDR TVs with limited brightness capabilities.

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is the 820 supposed to ever get an update so it has the Vudu app??

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So after the update I tried playing a UHD blu-Ray Sicario Day of the Soldado to find it would not read. So I tried another Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom with the same problem, it would not read the disc. I thought about doing a reset to factory but first tried unplugging and plugging back in. That has fixed the issue so far....
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Any dealer recommendations for the UB820?
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Any dealer recommendations for the UB820?
I'll just get mine from BestBuy. The store in town has it in stock. I don't need any customer support. Prices seem to be the same except for some on eBay, where I don't want to buy anyway.
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Hey guys,

Anyone know how to disable the automatic off timer on the UB820? So annoying...
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Q...

If you have a well tuned HDR tone map on a display, what is the harm using the 820 in HDR 2020 mode for the optimizer, to keep titles in the 1000 nit range?

Yes it is stacking the tone mapping in the display with the 820, but...? I ask because i found i get much better results on an oddly mastered film like Solo, but not with others like Ready Player One.

Also, while using the HDR2020 configuration, what does the slider do? I am assuming it still shifts the map to adjust for peak brightness.

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Just got this player and have a couple questions I was unsuccessful searching for answers to ...

1) Is there a screen saver mode and how do you configure/activate it?

2) There doesn't appear to be a "source direct" type mode where the player outputs the content native resolution - is this true or did I just not see it?

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Just got this player and have a couple questions I was unsuccessful searching for answers to ...

1) Is there a screen saver mode and how do you configure/activate it?

2) There doesn't appear to be a "source direct" type mode where the player outputs the content native resolution - is this true or did I just not see it?

Yes, I also have this question. That is one of the features I really liked on my X800 but have ordered the 820 to replace it. I prefer my projector to do the upscaling on 1080p Blu-ray movies rather than the player.

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Anyone know how to disable the automatic off timer on the UB820? So annoying...

UB900 had same "feature". Cannot be disabled. Spoke w Panasonic techs about it - they showed no concern.

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This "feature" drives me nuts.
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Just got this player and have a couple questions I was unsuccessful searching for answers to ...

1) Is there a screen saver mode and how do you configure/activate it?

2) There doesn't appear to be a "source direct" type mode where the player outputs the content native resolution - is this true or did I just not see it?
Yes, there is a screen saver mode. It is on by default.


I don't believe there is a source direct or "native" mode. The Oppo had that feature. However, the HCX chip is very robust and, according to several reviews, slightly bested the Oppo's upscaling. I know the Sony's Extreme 1 chip is also great at upscaling. It may just be splitting hairs when one gets into how good these are at upscaling.
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I've run into some problems with my UB820. I've had several instances where the player stops responding to its remote, specifically the open/close button. It did it today with the UB900 remote that I just had delivered but then it wouldn't respond to its own remote either. It previously occurred once with the original remote I had to power the player off and back on (the factory remote was able to do this). The second issue has also happened a couple of times. When the player has been on pause for a few minutes and then resumes, there is no audio going to my Denon X3500 AVR. power cycling either unit resolves the problem. It's probably some kind of handshake loss when the player resumes. I use a Monoprice certified cable between the two devices. Since I'm a Best Buy Elite Plus member I have a 60 day return window so if it the problems keep happening, I won't hesitate to ask for an exchange for another 820 but if anyone has any ideas about what's going on, please post them.
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V 1.47 update today? What is tweaked in this update?

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This player is amazing but does it really not convert DTS to Dolby Digital? I can get the player to output 2 channel pcm but my Sonos setup prioritizes ambient noise leaving voices completely muffled. Can anyone point me to some settings that will convert the audio better. It just shocked me that a $500+ player assumes you won’t be using Sonos. My Xbox One X and ATV4K both have the convert everything to dd option...


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The only thing listed is "network service compatibility"
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Suggested Settings for Sony SDR Projector

In reading through the thread, there has been much discussion on the 820 and projector settings for JVC projectors but not as much about Sony Projectors. I know that Ben Withrow has been doing some experimenting with the same Sony projector I have (Sony VPL-VW1100ES) but I would welcome any setting suggestions. The Sony 1100 projector does not support HDR and also doesn't support BT2020... It supports REC709 or DCI.


I just received my 820 and will probably start setting it up this weekend but I also plan to get the HDFury Integral 2 (announced but not available until the end of October) to help with HDMI handshake issues since the Sony 1100 only supports 4K/60 at 8-Bit 4:2:0. I believe the Integral 2 will also be able to "trick" the 820 into thinking that the 1100 has BT2020 support but don't know if that will be any help.


One of the things I'm really confused by is the "NITS" part and haven't a clue on how to determine this for the 1100. As projectors go, it is brighter than most but projectors in general aren't nearly as bright as TVs.


I am by no means an expert in all this color depth and mapping "stuff" so any suggestions are appreciated.

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In reading through the thread, there has been much discussion on the 820 and projector settings for JVC projectors but not as much about Sony Projectors. I know that Ben Withrow has been doing some experimenting with the same Sony projector I have (Sony VPL-VW1100ES) but I would welcome any setting suggestions. The Sony 1100 projector does not support HDR and also doesn't support BT2020... It supports REC709 or DCI.


I just received my 820 and will probably start setting it up this weekend but I also plan to get the HDFury Integral 2 (announced but not available until the end of October) to help with HDMI handshake issues since the Sony 1100 only supports 4K/60 at 8-Bit 4:2:0. I believe the Integral 2 will also be able to "trick" the 820 into thinking that the 1100 has BT2020 support but don't know if that will be any help.


One of the things I'm really confused by is the "NITS" part and haven't a clue on how to determine this for the 1100. As projectors go, it is brighter than most but projectors in general aren't nearly as bright as TVs.


I am by no means an expert in all this color depth and mapping "stuff" so any suggestions are appreciated.
If a projector doesn't have a color profile for bt2020, the 820 output can be set to SDR BT709. Then you just set the projector with your best 709 calibration settings and a gamma 2.4.

You can also try 820 SDR BT2020, but without a color profile filter, you won't get the gamut expansion.

I don't know and have not checked if there are pros or cons between running 820 SDR 2020 and BT709 on a display lacking a 2020 filter. I just assume SDR BT709 would be specifically mapping color to the available 709 color gamut.

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I've run into some problems with my UB820. I've had several instances where the player stops responding to its remote, specifically the open/close button. It did it today with the UB900 remote that I just had delivered but then it wouldn't respond to its own remote either. It previously occurred once with the original remote I had to power the player off and back on (the factory remote was able to do this). The second issue has also happened a couple of times. When the player has been on pause for a few minutes and then resumes, there is no audio going to my Denon X3500 AVR. power cycling either unit resolves the problem. It's probably some kind of handshake loss when the player resumes. I use a Monoprice certified cable between the two devices. Since I'm a Best Buy Elite Plus member I have a 60 day return window so if it the problems keep happening, I won't hesitate to ask for an exchange for another 820 but if anyone has any ideas about what's going on, please post them.
I know my remote loves a straight arm directly aimed shot. My 820 is low in my TV cabinet and doesn't like the upper shelf overlap (inch or two) or the table (sturdy man cave) we put our feet on. Try the straight shot.
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If a projector doesn't have a color profile for bt2020, the 820 output can be set to SDR BT709. Then you just set the projector with your best 709 calibration settings and a gamma 2.4.

You can also try 820 SDR BT2020, but without a color profile filter, you won't get the gamut expansion.

I don't know and have not checked if there are pros or cons between running 820 SDR 2020 and BT709 on a display lacking a 2020 filter. I just assume SDR BT709 would be specifically mapping color to the available 709 color gamut.
I assume that by mentioning "DCI" Mr. SLY meant "DCI/P3". I thought this DCI/P3 colorspace is what UHD disks use anyway... just put in a BT.2020 wrapper. Don't JVC projectors display 97% of this P3 colorspace? A true BT.2020 colorspace is far beyond the capabilities of any consumer level display device, as far as I know. So it seems if the Sony has DCI/P3 it's as ready to go with the expanded color gamut of UHD as the JVCs are.

So... I, too am confused by all of this and welcome any correction/clarification that's available.
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In reading through the thread, there has been much discussion on the 820 and projector settings for JVC projectors but not as much about Sony Projectors. I know that Ben Withrow has been doing some experimenting with the same Sony projector I have (Sony VPL-VW1100ES) but I would welcome any setting suggestions. The Sony 1100 projector does not support HDR and also doesn't support BT2020... It supports REC709 or DCI.


I just received my 820 and will probably start setting it up this weekend but I also plan to get the HDFury Integral 2 (announced but not available until the end of October) to help with HDMI handshake issues since the Sony 1100 only supports 4K/60 at 8-Bit 4:2:0. I believe the Integral 2 will also be able to "trick" the 820 into thinking that the 1100 has BT2020 support but don't know if that will be any help.


One of the things I'm really confused by is the "NITS" part and haven't a clue on how to determine this for the 1100. As projectors go, it is brighter than most but projectors in general aren't nearly as bright as TVs.


I am by no means an expert in all this color depth and mapping "stuff" so any suggestions are appreciated.


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If a projector doesn't have a color profile for bt2020, the 820 output can be set to SDR BT709. Then you just set the projector with your best 709 calibration settings and a gamma 2.4.



You can also try 820 SDR BT2020, but without a color profile filter, you won't get the gamut expansion.



I don't know and have not checked if there are pros or cons between running 820 SDR 2020 and BT709 on a display lacking a 2020 filter. I just assume SDR BT709 would be specifically mapping color to the available 709 color gamut.
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I assume that by mentioning "DCI" Mr. SLY meant "DCI/P3". I thought this DCI/P3 colorspace is what UHD disks use anyway... just put in a BT.2020 wrapper. Don't JVC projectors display 97% of this P3 colorspace? A true BT.2020 colorspace is far beyond the capabilities of any consumer level display device, as far as I know. So it seems if the Sony has DCI/P3 it's as ready to go with the expanded color gamut of UHD as the JVCs are.



So... I, too am confused by all of this and welcome any correction/clarification that's available.
@Bytehoven , He mentioned his 1100ES does DCI, which is wider than Rec709 (but not as wide as BT2020 and in a different phase relationship in the color gamut) so he’s most likely better off sending BT2020 and then adjusting the CMS manually to match up to the right BT2020 points using maybe a 50% pattern. This is all predicated on him having a meter and software to do so of course, or paying someone to do it. Probably worth the added color saturation he can probably get.

This is essentially what I do with my HarperVision settings with great results. The Epson LS10000 was the same with DCI I believe.
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I know my remote loves a straight arm directly aimed shot. My 820 is low in my TV cabinet and doesn't like the upper shelf overlap (inch or two) or the table (sturdy man cave) we put our feet on. Try the straight shot.
Mine sits just under the top shelf so I considered the "line of sight" but in each instance when the open/close button didn't work I took the remote right up to the 820 and it still didn't respond. It seems that once the device doesn't respond to a command, the only option is a power cycle.
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