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Panasonic DP-UB820 swap-out from Oppo 103 HELP...

In the middle of upgrading my theater - so far I have replaced the receiver (and added a couple more speakers) so I can enjoy ATMOS now, but it will be a while before I replace the projector which is 1080p (Epson 5020UB). I'm thinking of getting the 820 so I can play UHD 4K blu-ray disks as some seem to only come with ATMOS, will that work with my projector ok for now? I really just want the ATMOS track and hopefully the player will down-scale to 1080p and look as good as my Oppo?

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Netflix outputs REC709 with the UB820 set to SDR/BT2020. But another poster mentioned a workaround; Turn on SDR/HDR Conversion (Network Service) in advanced video settings.

I confirmed that this does result in getting SDR BT.2020 from Netflix but I am concerned about what that setting does in this case. Does this get the Netflix App to send HDR and it is converted to SDR BT.2020? Or is Netflix still sending REC709 that gets converted to HDR by the SDR/HDR Conversion setting only to be converted again to SDR BT.2020 by the SDR/BT2020 setting?
@claw did you ever get any clarity on this issue? I've got an 820 on the way, primarily for use with Netflix/Amazon and a JVC projector. Thanks!
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@claw did you ever get any clarity on this issue? I've got an 820 on the way, primarily for use with Netflix/Amazon and a JVC projector. Thanks!
No. I opened an issue on the Panasonic support site but got a reply... We don't understand.
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usb and network file playback are severely limited on this device. It is an exercise in frustration as to what files will play, what brings up error messages, no audio, etc.


Best to avoid file playback.


Anyone try inputting a Roku or streaming device and using an hdmi to USB adapter?
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Official Panasonic DP-UB820/824 Owner's Thread (No Price Talk)

Is there a remote app for this player? The only one I could find in the App Store is the Panasonic Remote App 2012 but I can’t imagine that’s the one to use.


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This maybe a stupid question ... up to now, I can't figure out how to turn OFF the 4K upscaling function of this player, since I prefer to let my Epson 5040 projector do it, while playing some 2K files. My old Oppo 203 has a 'Source direct' selection that let me do that. Can some users here show me how. Many thanks in advance.

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Will this conversion works for Youtube 4K too ? Are those 4K HDR files in Youtube really sending out HDR since my 820 only show SDR/709 ?



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SDR/BT2020 has worked with Amazon video since day 1.

Netflix outputs REC709 with the UB820 set to SDR/BT2020. But another poster mentioned a workaround; Turn on SDR/HDR Conversion (Network Service) in advanced video settings.

I confirmed that this does result in getting SDR BT.2020 from Netflix but I am concerned about what that setting does in this case. Does this get the Netflix App to send HDR and it is converted to SDR BT.2020? Or is Netflix still sending REC709 that gets converted to HDR by the SDR/HDR Conversion setting only to be converted again to SDR BT.2020 by the SDR/BT2020 setting?

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This maybe a stupid question ... up to now, I can't figure out how to turn OFF the 4K upscaling function of this player, since I prefer to let my Epson 5040 projector do it, while playing some 2K files. My old Oppo 203 has a 'Source direct' selection that let me do that. Can some users here show me how. Many thanks in advance.

My Sony X800 has this same capability but I nobody has reported being able to find this setting (myself included) through this thread. I don't believe it has the capability, which is a shame, because I also would prefer for my projector to do the upscaling.

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Some samples HDR bt2020 to SDR bt2020 with Epson LS10600 PJ

Here are some eye candies for you guys, this is a Epson LS10500 (i love this PJ) with Panny ub820 experimenting HDR/SDR comparison


These samples i put not exactly the same frames but you got the idea





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Will this conversion works for Youtube 4K too ? Are those 4K HDR files in Youtube really sending out HDR since my 820 only show SDR/709 ?
YouTube HDR videos in BT.2020 are very few and difficult to find. Most are HDR REC709.

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This maybe a stupid question ... up to now, I can't figure out how to turn OFF the 4K upscaling function of this player, since I prefer to let my Epson 5040 projector do it, while playing some 2K files. My old Oppo 203 has a 'Source direct' selection that let me do that. Can some users here show me how. Many thanks in advance.

You are correct, there is no source direct. The only work around would be to manually choose the output of your media. For example, if you are playing a DVD, you would choose the player to output 480i. If you are playing a blu-ray, then most likely choose 1080P. You're Epson then would convert to its native output.
The upscaling of the HCX chipset is supposed to be stellar, even edging out the Oppo. I would try both the Panasonic and the Epson and see which is better.
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Running into an issue and wanted to see if anyone else is experiencing the same. I have this player hooked up to a Denon 7200WA and then to a Sony 75XBR940E. I am getting a flashing screen with either the home menu and also Netflix. It was dropping out the entire time I was entering my user name and password. I bought another "certified" 6' HDMI cable and tried that without success. If I pop in a 4K movie like the Avengers, it plays fine. I am going to try hooking directly to the Sony and eliminating the Denon. I was pleased to see the DV came up on the series Quantico from Netflix. I don't get that using the 4K Firestick. That appears to be a plus.
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Here are some eye candies for you guys, this is a Epson LS10500 (i love this PJ) with Panny ub820 experimenting HDR/SDR comparison


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This one is easy! Leave it at HDR BT2020. Even when looked at on a PC display you can see the difference on pictures 1 and 2.
Check the waves on the lower portion of the pics (towards the beach). On pic #1 (HDR) it looks like water, there's transparency, on pic #2
it's just a soft wavy thing.

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Here are some eye candies for you guys, this is a Epson LS10500 (i love this PJ) with Panny ub820 experimenting HDR/SDR comparison


These samples i put not exactly the same frames but you got the idea

Call me crazy but in all but the first set, I prefer the SDR picture. Even on the first set, the sky looks purple on the HDR version but that could just be the camera not properly reproducing the color.

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Call me crazy but in all but the first set, I prefer the SDR picture. Even on the first set, the sky looks purple on the HDR version but that could just be the camera not properly reproducing the color.
That definitely looks wrong in HDR. The sky looks blue on my OLED on that disc.
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+1 @SLYDoggie with the presented screen shots, SDR picture looks better.
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Call me crazy but in all but the first set, I prefer the SDR picture. Even on the first set, the sky looks purple on the HDR version but that could just be the camera not properly reproducing the color.
You are not crazy. SDR 2020 even with these pics looks miles better and I can confrim the same w/ my pj using this players SDR 2020 conversions.
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You are not crazy. SDR 2020 even with these pics looks miles better and I can confrim the same w/ my pj using this players SDR 2020 conversions.
You have a projector which might need the SDR conversion, and I have to admit the sky is kind of purplish on the first pic BUT which one has water that looks like water? Check the waves on the HDR pic (close to the 3 little "islands" at the bottom) and the ones on the SDR. The ones on the HDR pic look like they are water, you can see the shiny parts where light reflects on the surface. The SDR looks soft, no depth to the water. Also, on the SDR, the hightlights on the vegetation are kind of oversaturated, don't know if it is the corect term, but they look "blown out".
Regarding those 2 pics, they are not the same. the SDR is missing the little "islands" at the bottom of the frame which are shown on the HDR pic.
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You have a projector which might need the SDR conversion, and I have to admit the sky is kind of purplish on the first pic BUT which one has water that looks like water? Check the waves on the HDR pic (close to the 3 little "islands" at the bottom) and the ones on the SDR. The ones on the HDR pic look like they are water, you can see the shiny parts where light reflects on the surface. The SDR looks soft, no depth to the water. Also, on the SDR, the hightlights on the vegetation are kind of oversaturated, don't know if it is the corect term, but they look "blown out".
Regarding those 2 pics, they are not the same. the SDR is missing the little "islands" at the bottom of the frame which are shown on the HDR pic.
Yes I have the JVC RS4500 which is a 3000 lumen laser projector and all I can tell you is having used a Pannasonic UB900 for almost a year watching HDR w/out the SDR conversion and tone mapping that the UB820 offers that overall, there is no comparison. The image thrown w/ the SDR 2020 conversion and tone mapping is markedly better.
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Yes I have the JVC RS4500 which is a 3000 lumen laser projector and all I can tell you is having used a Pannasonic UB900 for almost a year watching HDR w/out the SDR conversion and tone mapping that the UB820 offers that overall, there is no comparison. The image thrown w/ the SDR 2020 conversion and tone mapping is markedly better.

I just think it all depends how good your projector is tone mapped for HDR. The 709 conversion is way easier for sure but I still prefer my custom calibrated tone map any day on my 5040. But since everyone keeps telling me I’m wrong I will do a digital cinema calibration to SDR BT2020 2.4 gamma one of these days.


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Yes I have the JVC RS4500 which is a 3000 lumen laser projector and all I can tell you is having used a Panasonic UB900 for almost a year watching HDR w/out the SDR conversion and tone mapping that the UB820 offers that overall, there is no comparison. The image thrown w/ the SDR 2020 conversion and tone mapping is markedly better.

I just got the 820 and am still playing with the settings. I've never been a fan of the HDR images I have seen but am really looking forward to the HDR to SDR conversion of the 820 using BT2020 color mapping. My Projector doesn't have HDR capability and also doesn't fully support the BT2020 standard but it does have DCI/P3 which, as I understand it, supports a subset of BT2020. I have the HDFury Integral 2 device on order and I should be able to use that to "trick" the 820 into thinking that I have full BT2020 capability.


All the above is to say that I'm hoping the 820 will give me better than "standard" SDR color reproduction when I use the DCI/P3 capabilities of my non-HDR projector... I think I have stated that correctly... This all makes my head hurt

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I just got the 820 and am still playing with the settings. I've never been a fan of the HDR images I have seen but am really looking forward to the SDR 2020 tone mapping. My Projector doesn't have HDR capability and also doesn't have BT2020 capability but it does have DCI/P3 which, as I understand, is "almost" 2020. I have the HDFury Integral 2 device on order and I should be able to use that into "fooling" the 820 into thinking that I have full BT2020 capability.


All the above is to say that I'm hoping the 820 will give me better than "standard" SDR color reproduction when I use the DCI/P3 capabilities of my non-HDR projector.
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Yes I have the JVC RS4500 which is a 3000 lumen laser projector and all I can tell you is having used a Pannasonic UB900 for almost a year watching HDR w/out the SDR conversion and tone mapping that the UB820 offers that overall, there is no comparison. The image thrown w/ the SDR 2020 conversion and tone mapping is markedly better.
Yes SDR 2020 looks much better to my eyes too but i think because Chad calibrated the unit last year with UB900 i have and that is why we can see on HDR picture colors are little off kind of look.
I wonder if Chad calibrates this again with UB820 anything would change on HDR playing.
Either way we have a option now with UB820 tone mapping and things looks great so far.
One other thing is on HDR display i set Epson to High on laser but SDR 2020 i set as i watch Directv on medium and nothing else i have to change on Epson between switching 4K HDR or watching regular channels.

Also these pictures i'm taking with my iphone without paying much attention and like i stated HDR to SDR comparisons not exactly the same frame, just for you guys to have an idea.





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I just think it all depends how good your projector is tone mapped for HDR. The 709 conversion is way easier for sure but I still prefer my custom calibrated tone map any day on my 5040. But since everyone keeps telling me I’m wrong I will do a digital cinema calibration to SDR BT2020 2.4 gamma one of these days.


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I wouldn't say you are wrong about curves being better. In fact I still give my custom curves a very slight edge but it requires running my projector in high lamp whereas that's not the case with the 820. Probably the setup will have a lot to do with it also. I will say though that the 820 seems to be more consistent across titles, I guess because it is more dynamic.
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This one is easy! Leave it at HDR BT2020. Even when looked at on a PC display you can see the difference on pictures 1 and 2.
Check the waves on the lower portion of the pics (towards the beach). On pic #1 (HDR) it looks like water, there's transparency, on pic #2
it's just a soft wavy thing.
I also agree with you SDR to HDR differences but because Chad calibrated the Epson especially for HDR probably that is causing some color differences.
I still have to play around more to see.
Either way we have great options now.
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This maybe a stupid question ... up to now, I can't figure out how to turn OFF the 4K upscaling function of this player, since I prefer to let my Epson 5040 projector do it, while playing some 2K files. My old Oppo 203 has a 'Source direct' selection that let me do that. Can some users here show me how. Many thanks in advance.

Why would you want your Epson to do the 4K up-scaling instead of the new Panasonic...

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Why would you want your Epson to do the up-scaling instead of the new Panasonic...
I, for one, want 1080p to flow through the signal chain to the projector so I can run it through my (non 4k) Lumagen LUT box and (non 4k) Darbee. Yes, I still love my Darbee.
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I, for one, want 1080p to flow through the signal chain to the projector so I can run it through my (non 4k) Lumagen LUT box and (non 4k) Darbee. Yes, I still love my Darbee.

Right, but he wants to let his Epson do the 4K up-scaling instead of the Panasonic...

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No. I opened an issue on the Panasonic support site but got a reply... We don't understand.


Unbelievable!

Maybe Robert Zohn at Blu-Ray.com can help? He has some contacts at Panasonic.

Or keeping within the confines of AVS Forum, maybe @Kris Deering has some insight?

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Right, but he wants to let his Epson do the 4K up-scaling instead of the Panasonic...
Exactly. If the player (Panasonic) does the upscaling, then it is emitting a 4k signal. And most Lumagens and no Darbee processors can take a 4k signal. (Only very expensive Lumagens can do 4k.) So it has to stay 1080p through those devices. Which means the Panasonic can't do the upscaling.
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