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post #2851 of 5996 Old 01-18-2019, 06:11 PM
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So-Is the second projector setting locked out on the 820 then?
Yes, only one projector setting on the 820 which is the 500nit setting I think. The 9000 adds another lower nit setting around 300 or so.
There are options but 3rd party firmware discussions are not allowed on AVS forum so end of discussion.
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I played around a little more with my setting and did find that the Optimizer On provided the best picture. I was using Fantastic Beasts when I first played with it, which has a 4000 nit level, so when I turned it on, there was an immediate difference. Near the end there is a wand fight and with it off, it's just a blur of color, but with it on, you could see the individual colors and the actual wand rays. I left the dynamic slider at 0 and used @Bytehoven 's HDR gamma settings. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this thread, but I left it at HDR2020 - I just couldn't find settings I liked at SDR2020. I also have mine running at High Lamp.

I'm sure a calibration is in order. I need some more hours though, as I haven't hit 100 yet.
Tom, which hdr st2084 setting did you use?
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Tom, which hdr st2084 setting did you use?
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Watched American Made tonight with the new settings and it looked great! Not the HDR showcase you would demo to your friends, but it was a fun watch and some great audio. I’m glad I found some settings that are appeasing to my eye.

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Just picked up my 820 today & simply have a quick question. Does this player have the CEC function. Much Thanks in advance!
Apparently. I get mine Tuesday and can confirm then.

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I played around a little more with my setting and did find that the Optimizer On provided the best picture. I was using Fantastic Beasts when I first played with it, which has a 4000 nit level, so when I turned it on, there was an immediate difference. Near the end there is a wand fight and with it off, it's just a blur of color, but with it on, you could see the individual colors and the actual wand rays. I left the dynamic slider at 0 and used @Bytehoven 's HDR gamma settings. I'm sure I'm in the minority on this thread, but I left it at HDR2020 - I just couldn't find settings I liked at SDR2020. I also have mine running at High Lamp.

I'm sure a calibration is in order. I need some more hours though, as I haven't hit 100 yet.
You are NOT the minority. I do have mine set at HDR/BT2020 as it looks much better (to my eyes) than SDR/BT2020. I was watching last night "The House with a Clock in its walls" and switched between SDR/BT2020 and HDR/BT2020 several times during the movie and all I can say is that HDR/BT2020 looked 10 times better than SDR/BT2020. At least in my 92" Stewart ST100 with a Sony 295ES. That movie is a HDR torture test from beginning to end.

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Any one using this player with simple control it find the player but commands don't work does it have to be controlled with ir
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Yep happened to me last night with Netflix. Stops at 24% even though I have an ethernet cable directly attached to the player. It's the player software. Anyhow, just exit Netflix by hitting the Netflix home button (or back button to exit the movie you are trying to stream), and immediately select it again. The stream will zip right on through to 100%. Happens after I play a BD disc as well.

I'm sure they'll fix it with a patch in the future.
I don't think that's an 820 specific issue. The Netflix app on my Vizio TV hangs at 24% sometimes. I exit Netflix, restart it and it's good to go.
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I don't think that's an 820 specific issue. The Netflix app on my Vizio TV hangs at 24% sometimes. I exit Netflix, restart it and it's good to go.
Get 600Mbps, and see if that'll help.
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Strange problem with the Youtube app. For some reason, any movies in my library that show up as "purchased" only display in standard definition! When I play the same movies through my Nvidia Shield, they are in fact 4K.

Is this an app issue on this player? If not, any ideas?

Unrelated: Do we think at some point they may add Vudu and/or Movies Anywhere apps?
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Just picked up my 820 today & simply have a quick question. Does this player have the CEC function. Much Thanks in advance!
It does but due to some Panasonic settings, the player will power off after 15 mins causing it to power off your equipment.
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It does but due to some Panasonic settings, the player will power off after 15 mins causing it to power off your equipment.
I don't use CEC, but is there some setting to turn off the automatic player turning itself off? I'm fine with turning it off myself when I'm done with it.

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PQ via Netflix on my 820 is comparable to the AP4KTV & Dolby Vision & Atmos. Really very pleased! Take Care All!

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Did Panasonic fixed the issues with the loud fan and loud disc drive spinning noise on their latest batches on the ub820?
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Did Panasonic fixed the issues with the loud fan and loud disc drive spinning noise on their latest batches on the ub820?
My 820 with Oct.2018 build date already had latest firmware and is perfectly quiet.
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I have not noticed any LOUD spinning or internal noises from my UB820.
I am loving it and was at one time considering going with the UB9000.
My opinion is it would just be for bragging rights with no real-world noticeable difference to actual picture quality between the two.
Let's be honest once you place either in your rack that's the last time you'll know how heavy either unit was.
As far as actual differences in Video I doubt any of us would ever be able to see any real differences.
(Audio is the added benefit of the UB9000)

I only use the Panasonic for watching Hard-Disc not for streaming.

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I have not noticed any LOUD spinning or internal noises from my UB820.
I am loving it and was at one time considering going with the UB9000.
My opinion is it would just be for bragging rights with no real-world noticeable difference to actual picture quality between the two.
Let's be honest once you place either in your rack that's the last time you'll know how heavy either unit was.
As far as actual differences in Video I doubt any of us would ever be able to see any real differences.

(Audio is the added benefit of the UB9000)

I only use the Panasonic for watching Hard-Disc not for streaming.

Me picking my UB820 up from the G/M at Best Buy here locally.

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I absolutely expect this to be true. This other projector setting on the 9000 seems pointless for 95% of us.

My 820 looks fantastic. Until dynamic tone mapping arrives, it won't move.
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I have a JVC 640 projector and OPPO 203. I just bought a Panny 820 to deal with Tone Mapping of material primarily from Netflix and Amazon.
I have the projector HUE set neutral which works fine for the OPPO which is also neutral. The Panny gives me a red shift that even when set to -10 is a bit red.
My plan is to have both units with the OPPO running material from the Apple 4K streaming and the Panny only for Netflix and Amazon.
First question: Anyone else experience the red shift especially on Amazon (not tried other sources)
Second Question: Why does the HDR button not work telling me that it only works with HDR content? If it is converting to SDR that might be why but I think at one point it might have worked.

Is there any general guide to setting up the 820. I didn't want to read through 93 pages
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I have a JVC 640 projector and OPPO 203. I just bought a Panny 820 to deal with Tone Mapping of material primarily from Netflix and Amazon.
I have the projector HUE set neutral which works fine for the OPPO which is also neutral. The Panny gives me a red shift that even when set to -10 is a bit red.
My plan is to have both units with the OPPO running material from the Apple 4K streaming and the Panny only for Netflix and Amazon.
First question: Anyone else experience the red shift especially on Amazon (not tried other sources)
Second Question: Why does the HDR button not work telling me that it only works with HDR content? If it is converting to SDR that might be why but I think at one point it might have worked.

Is there any general guide to setting up the 820. I didn't want to read through 93 pages
Ditto. I have a JVC X550R(RS400) and I have the 820 set for SDR.2020. I don't know about any of the other HDMI settings and have left everything else at default for the time being until I know if I should change anything.

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Try playing a UHD Blu-ray. Your HDR options should appear. You should now have the HDR Optimizer and the other options.
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Using a Panny 820 connected to a Sony 295 via a Denon X6500H. SDR.2020

Amazon delivered First Man 4K today which I'm eager to watch tonight with some buddies. I noticed that this disc has Dolby Vision, but I know my projector doesn't support it. Quick question then: does it matter whether or not I have Dolby Vision selected on the 820? I guess what I'm asking is if it's better for a Dolby Vision disc to be processed as such by the Panny and then displayed within the capabilities of the projector, or is it better to just send a non-Dolby Vision signal from the 820 to begin with, or does it not matter?

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I have a JVC 640 projector and OPPO 203. I just bought a Panny 820 to deal with Tone Mapping of material primarily from Netflix and Amazon.
I have the projector HUE set neutral which works fine for the OPPO which is also neutral. The Panny gives me a red shift that even when set to -10 is a bit red.
My plan is to have both units with the OPPO running material from the Apple 4K streaming and the Panny only for Netflix and Amazon.
First question: Anyone else experience the red shift especially on Amazon (not tried other sources)
Second Question: Why does the HDR button not work telling me that it only works with HDR content? If it is converting to SDR that might be why but I think at one point it might have worked.

Is there any general guide to setting up the 820. I didn't want to read through 93 pages
I should point out that I have the following settings set:
HDMI - resolution set to auto, 4K/60 444

HDR color gamut output HDR bt2020 auto
HDR tv type set low for projector

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Try playing a UHD Blu-ray. Your HDR options should appear. You should now have the HDR Optimizer and the other options.
I will try this tonight but implicit in your comment is that I won't be able to use Tone Mapping for streaming which is actually the main reason for getting the panny. Is that the case?

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I have a JVC 640 projector and OPPO 203. I just bought a Panny 820 to deal with Tone Mapping of material primarily from Netflix and Amazon.
I have the projector HUE set neutral which works fine for the OPPO which is also neutral. The Panny gives me a red shift that even when set to -10 is a bit red.
My plan is to have both units with the OPPO running material from the Apple 4K streaming and the Panny only for Netflix and Amazon.
First question: Anyone else experience the red shift especially on Amazon (not tried other sources)
Second Question: Why does the HDR button not work telling me that it only works with HDR content? If it is converting to SDR that might be why but I think at one point it might have worked.

Is there any general guide to setting up the 820. I didn't want to read through 93 pages [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]
I should point out that I have the following settings set:
HDMI - resolution set to auto, 4K/60 444

HDR color gamut output HDR bt2020 auto
HDR tv type set low for projector
Set the 820 to SDR bt2020, and change your projector to the same. (It's the same thing without the metadata.)

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OK, youse guz. I was all set to getting the 9000 until I started reading this forum. I knew I would be getting one of the Panasonic players, just not which one. My wife's a little ticked because this is the 4th 4k player I will be buying. I have a Samsung K8500 in the den, a Samsung M8500 and Sony X700 in the theater and I just wasn't happy with what I was seeing. I saw that one member was asking for some help because he didn't want to read the manual and I quite understand. I would like some input, if this is the correct forum, as to the 820 fitting in my theater. I have a Optoma UHD60 projector, a Yamaha Aventage RX-
A8070 AVR and the RX-A3010 for my external amplifier, and a 7.2.4 setting currently. The sound is fantastic, but I want another player. Can anyone tell me why I should get the 820 instead of the 9000 or the Sony 1000ES?
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I will try this tonight but implicit in your comment is that I won't be able to use Tone Mapping for streaming which is actually the main reason for getting the panny. Is that the case?
Not positive as I don’t use the 820 for streaming but if you set it up for SDR2020 I believe Netflix will not send a 4k stream. If you set up for HDR2020 you should be good to go but then you will be sending the HDR flag to your projector.
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I just hooked my 820 into my system (LG C7, Onkyo TX-RZ810 w/ATMOS speakers enabled), and already have an issue with NetFlix.

When I select a know Dolby Vision and ATMOS movie ("Bright") in the NetFlix app on my LG TV, it displays as both DV and ATMOS as long as the receiver is powered off or HDMI cable disconnected. If I start the movie, and then power on the receiver, The Onkyo will process and play ATMOS audio. Even if I select a different movie ("Roma") without disconnecting/shutting off the receiver, the new movie will also play Dolby ATMOS. I've come to accept this quirk of the LG/Onkyo handshake issue, as long as I get ATMOS audio.

((EDIT: Firmware update on ONKYO receiver seems to have corrected the NetFlix app. It now displays both Dolby Vision and ATMOS in the menu selection, and receiver switches to ATMOS correctly. The firmware was already updated to the latest version according to the software checker on the other two devices.))

However, I CANNOT get ATMOS to work from the 820 NetFlix app, with any combination of connections. Dolby Vision is fine.

I have tried connecting the HDMI VIDEO OUT to the LG HDMI 1, and HDMI AUDIO out to the ONKYO. I have tried disconnecting the HDMI AUDIO, and using only the LG Audio pass-through. I've tried connecting the VIDEO out directly to the receiver, and then passing the video to the LG TV.

I've changed various HDMI and AUDIO setting in the 820, and nothing seems to work. I currently have Bitstream selected for both Dolby Audio and DTS/DTS-hd, with BD-Video Secondary Audio turned OFF.

It this another shortcoming of the NetFlix app on the 820? Or, is this some combination of settings in the 820?

Anybody have an Onkyo RZ-series receiver connected to an 820 that does pass ATMOS from NetFlix? (I have no ATMOS disks yet to test with.)

It's not a deal breaker. I can continue to use the LG app. I was just hoping everything would work out of the box.

As an aside I have this question - Why is "ROMA" streaming in Dolby Vision? 12-bit black and white?

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Not positive as I don’t use the 820 for streaming but if you set it up for SDR2020 I believe Netflix will not send a 4k stream. If you set up for HDR2020 you should be good to go but then you will be sending the HDR flag to your projector.
I guess I can try it both ways but the PJ has an HDR setting which is expecting HDR flag. I guess part of my confusion here is that if this is the case then what is the function of Tone Mapping? Am I mapping into SDR but using HDR setting on the PJ to properly display it or going back to just an SDR which would defeat the whole purpose of HDR in either the content or the PJ?

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I guess I can try it both ways but the PJ has an HDR setting which is expecting HDR flag. I guess part of my confusion here is that if this is the case then what is the function of Tone Mapping? Am I mapping into SDR but using HDR setting on the PJ to properly display it or going back to just an SDR which would defeat the whole purpose of HDR in either the content or the PJ?
You can try it both ways and see which you prefer. IMO SDR2020 with optimizer on looks better to my eye. In this mode the panasonic will do all the tone mapping according to the metadata on the disc, which makes it more set and forget (IMO). You just have to make sure your pj is configured properly (gamma 2.4/d65/bt2020)

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You can try it both ways and see which you prefer. IMO SDR2020 with optimizer on looks better to my eye. In this mode the panasonic will do all the tone mapping according to the metadata on the disc, which makes it more set and forget (IMO). You just have to make sure your pj is configured properly (gamma 2.4/d65/bt2020)
How do you ensure the optimizer is on? I have the Panny set to SDR.2020 and the JVC is set up right.....but I haven't seen the optimizer or anything in the Panny HDMI settings by that name?

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