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Hi Guys

A question to fellow owners...what’s MKV playback like from a USB device mine is hit n miss..!
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A question to fellow owners...what’s MKV playback like from a USB device mine is hit n miss..!


If I were you, I’ll get a dedicated media player to do all mkv playback. LX500 is a lot of things but mkv support is not one of them.


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Yeah, I went through a couple UB820's because I thought the fan was defective, it was so loud on them, and eventually just returned them for good. However, I currently own two UB9000 players, and the fan is completely silent on both. Can't hear the fan on it at all even when putting my ear right up to the player, and it's nothing like the UB820 in that regard.


Probably not an easy answer but is the fan running and you’re not hearing it or is the fan not even running which would obviously be the better scenario because a quiet fan now could eventually become noisy especially since the fans used are not usually high quality parts. I actually think the noise I was hearing on the 820 was vibration from the fan and not the fan itself.

I was on the initial waiting list for the 9000 but canceled due to all the delays and since I was and still am happy with my Pioneer which is dead silent, doesn’t get remotely warm, and has excellent build quality. It would have been nice though if the Pioneer had XLR outputs.

However, I knew my curiosity would eventually get the best of me so I ordered a Panasonic 9000 from VE this week since they had some left on the allotment coming in and actually received it today. The build quality of the 9000 is solid but the Pioneer still beats it in a few areas like the drive and buttons on the player.


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^^^^^^
Hey T-Smith, I totally agree with you, wish, wanted the LX500 to have XLR outs on it. I know the LX800 has them, and a bit more as well, but the price for those additions is not justified here in my home theater, I just could not see it. But everywhere is balanced in here except what is through HDMI, so it would have been great. Oh well.
I FINALLY bit the bullet and ordered an LG OLED 65C8. Should arrive tomorrow, I hope.
SO, I can finally check out the LX500 in 4K and hopefully see movies in all their glory.
I hope my eyes can see the difference between my 65 plasma which now has a BIG GREEN BAND running down it and the new OLED, blacks wise. I got pretty decent blacks on this plasma, actually quite a good picture, have enjoyed it, hate to see it crap out.
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Life goes on and it is time for a change, might as well be a move up, here is hoping.
Will report back, all the best,
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I FINALLY bit the bullet and ordered an LG OLED 65C8. Should arrive tomorrow, I hope.
SO, I can finally check out the LX500 in 4K and hopefully see movies in all their glory.
Will report back, all the best,
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Congrats Wayne on your new OLED, looking forward to your review + some eye candy screenshots or even youtube demo videos
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If I were you, I’ll get a dedicated media player to do all mkv playback. LX500 is a lot of things but mkv support is not one of them.


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A question to fellow owners...what’s MKV playback like from a USB device mine is hit n miss..!


If I were you, I’ll get a dedicated media player to do all mkv playback. LX500 is a lot of things but mkv support is not one of them.


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Hello.

I reproduce mkv by usb or by network in the lx500 without problems.
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Hi,
Did someone mode LX? - 500 or 800.
Any improvement?.

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Any owners/users can comment on the LX500/LX800 4K upscaling performance? is it as good as the Oppo?
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I'm enjoying my LX-500 immensely; no buyers' remorse at all. One tiny complaint would be that sometimes
the tray takes a long time to open or close after pushing the open/close button. Has anyone else noticed
this?
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Hi,
Did someone mode LX? - 500 or 800.
Any improvement?.Thanks.
Pioneer LX500 & LX800 info:

https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/e...ucts/udp-lx500

https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/e...ucts/udp-lx800

Re LX800, I like the improvement for its analog section (two reviews excerpted).

"The analog audio output of the UDP-LX800 is directly taken from the flagship player PD-70AE, which actually costs one more thousand more. It involves the same circuit build-up as well as two 32-bit, 8-channel ESS Saber DACs that are connected in parallel to provide better signal / noise ratio on the analogue output. And also balanced XLR output."

https://reviewzorro.com/pioneer-udp-...u-ray-players/

"When using the analogue output, you can select one of three DSP filters to fine tune audio to your liking - Sharp, Short and Slow (via the Audio Parameter menu) - making two channel DSD file playback positively epic. There’s also a purist Direct function which shuts down the deck’s digital audio and video circuits completely.
Of course, even better is the fact that you don't need High-Res sources to hear what we're talking about - the deck does a remarkable job with run of the mill CDs and both SACDs and legacy DVD-A discs are a treat, too."

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pi...blu-ray-player
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And another pause again in a 100gb UHD disc. It happened in "Glass"at around minute 114.
This morning another weird thing happened: the tray did not open until my third try and then though it began reading the UHD and the title and static image for the film appeared the tray opened itself as it could not read the UHD. After 3 tries, two with "Man on a ledge" and one with "The mule", I switched it off to standby without unplugging it and, voila, watch 3 different UHDs and tried 3 more and everything played fine except for the "usual" pause on a 100gb UHD, today with"Glass".
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I'm enjoying my LX-500 immensely; no buyers' remorse at all. One tiny complaint would be that sometimes

the tray takes a long time to open or close after pushing the open/close button. Has anyone else noticed

this?


It’s normal. As a matter fact, it’s Pioneers signature. LoL


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Pioneer LX500 & LX800 info:

https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/e...ucts/udp-lx500

https://www.pioneer-audiovisual.eu/e...ucts/udp-lx800

Re LX800, I like the improvement for its analog section (two reviews excerpted).

"The analog audio output of the UDP-LX800 is directly taken from the flagship player PD-70AE, which actually costs one more thousand more. It involves the same circuit build-up as well as two 32-bit, 8-channel ESS Saber DACs that are connected in parallel to provide better signal / noise ratio on the analogue output. And also balanced XLR output."

https://reviewzorro.com/pioneer-udp-...u-ray-players/

"When using the analogue output, you can select one of three DSP filters to fine tune audio to your liking - Sharp, Short and Slow (via the Audio Parameter menu) - making two channel DSD file playback positively epic. There’s also a purist Direct function which shuts down the deck’s digital audio and video circuits completely.
Of course, even better is the fact that you don't need High-Res sources to hear what we're talking about - the deck does a remarkable job with run of the mill CDs and both SACDs and legacy DVD-A discs are a treat, too."

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pi...blu-ray-player
Hi,
Thanks for links - now it is clear the differences between models. I am leaning to 800 due to audio analogue section.

I have Sony UBP X1000 which is very good on video, but the analogue section is a decent one. Hence, I want to improve this part.

I am in front of few dilemmas:
1. Keep Sony for video and buy Pioneer 70 AE
2. Buy 500 model and change the power supply or to send it in USA to ModWright (analogue on tubes)
3. Buy 800 model and no changes.

The options 1 and 3 are similar - financial effort. The option 2 is 2x (ModWright in fact).

Any thoughts?. Thanks
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Any owners/users can comment on the LX500/LX800 4K upscaling performance? is it as good as the Oppo?

In almost all respects the LX500 performs just as well as my Oppo UDP-205. The output D/A is especially good, as I have a Benchmark DAC3 B ($2K) and side-by-side comparisons reveal very little differences.



One minor gripe I have is that the display feature for movies does not tell me how much total time the movie is. Some individual titles have that on their pop-up menus, most do not.
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Thanks for links - now it is clear the differences between models. I am leaning to 800 due to audio analogue section.

I have Sony UBP X1000 which is very good on video, but the analogue section is a decent one. Hence, I want to improve this part.

I am in front of few dilemmas:
1. Keep Sony for video and buy Pioneer 70 AE.
2. Buy 500 model and change the power supply or to send it in USA to ModWright (analogue on tubes)
3. Buy 800 model and no changes.

The options 1 and 3 are similar - financial effort. The option 2 is 2x (ModWright in fact).

Any thoughts?. Thanks
I'd say "Door No. 1 or 3", or you may like to wait. Later this year, you will also have Sony X1100ES to consider.

https://pro.sony/en_GB/products/othe...es/ubp-x1100es

Related:

"LX800 audio design owes much to Pioneer’s PD-70AE SACD/CD player. The two decks share an identical PCB stereo signal path (if it ain’t broke…) and component layout, not to mention the same 32-bit, Parallel Drive ESS ES9026 PRO Sabre DACs."

In this review (link), I interpreted that the Pioneer LX800 and Panasonic 9000 were equal in video, but the LX800 outshone for audio. Also, the Panasonic does not do SACD or DVD Audio.

https://7review.com/pioneer-udp-lx800-review/

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I'd say "Door No. 1 or 3", or you may like to wait. Later this year, you will also have Sony X1100ES to consider.

https://pro.sony/en_GB/products/othe...es/ubp-x1100es

Related:

"LX800 audio design owes much to Pioneer’s PD-70AE SACD/CD player. The two decks share an identical PCB stereo signal path (if it ain’t broke…) and component layout, not to mention the same 32-bit, Parallel Drive ESS ES9026 PRO Sabre DACs."

In this review (link), I interpreted that the Pioneer LX800 and Panasonic 9000 were equal in video, but the LX800 outshone for audio. Also, the Panasonic does not do SACD or DVD Audio.

https://7review.com/pioneer-udp-lx800-review/
Hi,
Interesting. I did not know about the update to X1100 with Vision, HDR...

Meanwhile, the industry is preparing for HDMI 2.1. The issue is that we have to replace the player, cable and TV/projector. Maybe pre/ receiver, depends on set up.
In this case, the option is to keep X1000 and replace it when 2.1 HDMI is available. Focus to buy a SACD player like Pioneer PD 70AE for example to improve the audio outcome. My dilemma number 1.

Or sell X1000 and buy LX 800 and replace it when will be obsolete. My dilemma number 3.

I will see. Thanks.
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Interesting. I did not know about the update to X1100 with Vision, HDR...

Meanwhile, the industry is preparing for HDMI 2.1. The issue is that we have to replace the player, cable and TV/projector. Maybe pre/ receiver, depends on set up.
In this case, the option is to keep X1000 and replace it when 2.1 HDMI is available. Focus to buy a SACD player like Pioneer PD 70AE for example to improve the audio outcome. My dilemma number 1.

Or sell X1000 and buy LX 800 and replace it when will be obsolete. My dilemma number 3.

I will see. Thanks.
You're welcome, Mike. Good luck. Have fun.

FWIW some LX800 and 70AE talk, with reviewer marginally preferring the 70AE audio performance.

https://www.hifinews.com/content/pio...-player-page-2


To the future/2.1 related:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12997...-on-samsung-tv

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13940...ith-8k-support

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You're welcome, Mike. Good luck. Have fun.

FWIW some LX800 and 70AE talk, with reviewer marginally preferring the 70AE audio performance.

https://www.hifinews.com/content/pio...-player-page-2


To the future/2.1 related:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12997...-on-samsung-tv

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13940...ith-8k-support
Thank you for links Panson.

I did not know about Sony hardware update. Same device with an new proc to accommodate Dolby Vision... .My full HD OLED does not support these new video formats. Unfortunately, 3D feature is not present - 4k TVs. Therefore, I’m going to buy a 3D projector and a new video player. Maybe with 2.1 HDMI.

In this case, Pioneer PD 70 AE could be the answer for my dilemma. I am looking for analogue audio improvement - digital source.
However, a dealer said that is a mistake, because a separate DAC (same price) & actual player (transport) is a better solution versus a CD player alone.
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Thank you for links Panson.

I did not know about Sony hardware update. Same device with an new proc to accommodate Dolby Vision... .My full HD OLED does not support these new video formats. Unfortunately, 3D feature is not present - 4k TVs. Therefore, I’m going to buy a 3D projector and a new video player. Maybe with 2.1 HDMI.

In this case, Pioneer PD 70 AE could be the answer for my dilemma. I am looking for analogue audio improvement - digital source.
However, a dealer said that is a mistake, because a separate DAC (same price) & actual player (transport) is a better solution versus a CD player alone.
Yes, it can be an unnecessary expensive option to buy a universal player for primarily audio usage. Since price-talk is not allowed on this thread, it's somewhat difficult to determine "best value". Unless one's privy to deep discounts, cheaper solutions are usually available. A dealer must know your full needs, then go from there. Move to another if they're not addressing all needs and questions.

FYI:

"HDMI 2.1: THE BASICS. AND, WHO NEEDS IT TODAY – A RANT"

https://www.projectorreviews.com/hom...-today-a-rant/

Re audio, keep ESS Technology in mind. Link with worldwide contact info.

http://www.esstech.com/index.php/en/products/dac/

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Hey Guys,
Loving my Pioneer LX500 now playing through a LG OLED 65C8. Nowhere near got the panel setup with all the right settings, not sure what those would be, though I have read and watched settings videos. Having to play with it myself AND I know I have to watch some movies and tv for a while for it to get broken in.
I did have a layer change pause today watching the new Predator 4K HDR movie. Was longer than I would have liked, but can easily live with that, MUCH less bothersome than the people around me would be in a movie theater.

For Mike RO, regarding your sound questions, I would recommend buying the LX500 and listening to it, living with it for a while. Then you can always upgrade it, mod it. I would not. I like the 2 channel sound on it, I prefer the built in DAC to the ESS SABRE DACs the Oppos have and the LX800 has. But honestly that is pretty much a moot point, I am a surround sound multi channel man and so I totally listen to SACDs, DVD As and Blu rays with the HDMI out to my pre processor, I prefer the sound from my Emotiva XMC-1 over all the above, surround sound is the reason I built my home theater. The LX500 does no heavy lifting, the power supply is perfectly fine for spinning discs the DAC in my processor does the good part. VERY happy with it.
And the PQ is great, especially on native 4K discs, or 4K HDR discs.
Loving the home theater experience like never before.
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Loving my Pioneer LX500 now playing through a LG OLED 65C8. Nowhere near got the panel setup with all the right settings, not sure what those would be, though I have read and watched settings videos. Having to play with it myself AND I know I have to watch some movies and tv for a while for it to get broken in.
I did have a layer change pause today watching the new Predator 4K HDR movie. Was longer than I would have liked, but can easily live with that, MUCH less bothersome than the people around me would be in a movie theater.

For Mike RO, regarding your sound questions, I would recommend buying the LX500 and listening to it, living with it for a while. Then you can always upgrade it, mod it. I would not. I like the 2 channel sound on it, I prefer the built in DAC to the ESS SABRE DACs the Oppos have and the LX800 has. But honestly that is pretty much a moot point, I am a surround sound multi channel man and so I totally listen to SACDs, DVD As and Blu rays with the HDMI out to my pre processor, I prefer the sound from my Emotiva XMC-1 over all the above, surround sound is the reason I built my home theater. The LX500 does no heavy lifting, the power supply is perfectly fine for spinning discs the DAC in my processor does the good part. VERY happy with it.
And the PQ is great, especially on native 4K discs, or 4K HDR discs.
Loving the home theater experience like never before.
God Bless,
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I see, you use DACs of line preamplifier - LX500 as transport. You betrayed AKM in favor of ESS Sabre.

I am the opposite guy compared to you. Stereo always analogue via turntable. Stereo digital via RCAs unprocessed in my line preamp- Anthem AVM 60. Digital also for multichannel BD/DVD audio/SACD via HDMI, signal processed of course.

My weak point is stereo analogue out of my player - Sony X1000. It is decent, but...My next step is to replace it with LX800 OR to use it as transport and to buy a separate DAC similar to your approach. I will see. Thanks.
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Hi Mike,
Perhaps I was not quite clear, I MUCH prefer the AKM DAC in the LX500 for two channel over the old ESS SABRE DAC I had in my OPPO, and the LX800 has. I just don't use it much, almost never. I very much prefer the 24/192k Burr Brown DSD1796 DAC in my Emotiva XMC-1 for all the processing for music, multi channel. It has DIRAC to tame room modes as well, and provides me surround sound. I don't listen to POS, poor old stereo except for on ciems from a DAP when I am walking or exercising.
So, yes, the LX500 is for playing movies, and for a transport for music, and I find it does a great job of that.
Hope this helps,
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Hi Mike,
Perhaps I was not quite clear, I MUCH prefer the AKM DAC in the LX500 for two channel over the old ESS SABRE DAC I had in my OPPO, and the LX800 has. I just don't use it much, almost never. I very much prefer the 24/192k Burr Brown DSD1796 DAC in my Emotiva XMC-1 for all the processing for music, multi channel. It has DIRAC to tame room modes as well, and provides me surround sound. I don't listen to POS, poor old stereo except for on ciems from a DAP when I am walking or exercising.
So, yes, the LX500 is for playing movies, and for a transport for music, and I find it does a great job of that.
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Ah, OK. Misunderstanding.
Yes, Burr Brown. Another great DAC. Important is that you like this set up.
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Another pause, this time for about 2 seconds, in a 100gb uhd disc. It has happened with Suspiria 2019 German only edition at around minute 102, chapter 12. Apart from that, the disc has played flawlessly before and after the pause.
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Pioneer UDP-LX 500 / 800 Owners Thread (No Price Talk)

Sorry if this has been mentioned before in the thread, but how is MKV/DLNA support on the LX 500? I have a file server that only has 1080p content with Dolby Digital. Not looking to do lossless audio from my server. Thanks.


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Sorry if this has been mentioned before in the thread, but how is MKV/DLNA support on the LX 500? I have a file server that only has 1080p content with Dolby Digital. Not looking to do lossless audio from my server. Thanks.


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Various opinions from owners.


My personal experience is that MKV support is not the best. Some files work done don’t .!


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My personal experience is that MKV support is not the best. Some files work done don’t .!


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Thanks! I have an old Sony S7200, and it has been great for DLNA/mkv support. I also own the bottom of the barrel Sony S3200 and even it handles DLNA/mkv quite well. Surprised Pioneer and Panasonic are having issues with this in their latest models.


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Probably not an easy answer but is the fan running and you’re not hearing it or is the fan not even running which would obviously be the better scenario because a quiet fan now could eventually become noisy especially since the fans used are not usually high quality parts. I actually think the noise I was hearing on the 820 was vibration from the fan and not the fan itself.

I was on the initial waiting list for the 9000 but canceled due to all the delays and since I was and still am happy with my Pioneer which is dead silent, doesn’t get remotely warm, and has excellent build quality. It would have been nice though if the Pioneer had XLR outputs.

However, I knew my curiosity would eventually get the best of me so I ordered a Panasonic 9000 from VE this week since they had some left on the allotment coming in and actually received it today. The build quality of the 9000 is solid but the Pioneer still beats it in a few areas like the drive and buttons on the player.


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I own both the LX500 and the UB900; they are both dead silent. Never owned an 820, so I can't comment on it.
I agree that the LX500 build quality is impressive... better than the UB9000 one, and the Panny is build like a tank...
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I see, you use DACs of line preamplifier - LX500 as transport. You betrayed AKM in favor of ESS Sabre.

I am the opposite guy compared to you. Stereo always analogue via turntable. Stereo digital via RCAs unprocessed in my line preamp- Anthem AVM 60. Digital also for multichannel BD/DVD audio/SACD via HDMI, signal processed of course.

My weak point is stereo analogue out of my player - Sony X1000. It is decent, but...My next step is to replace it with LX800 OR to use it as transport and to buy a separate DAC similar to your approach. I will see. Thanks.
I have just purchased a DAC (Benchmark DAC3 B) to take digital output from my LX500 and convert it to analog before going into my Integrated Amp. My guess is that an LX800 would make a separate DAC superfluous unless we are talking ultra high end here.

The performance of the Benchmark is superb, even with the very nice analog output of the LX500. It is rated Class A+ by Sterophile.

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