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I can't get this to work correctly, so I'm clearly missing something. I figured its set up would be like for my Oppo 103. For that, I have audio only HDMI 2 on the Oppo to my Onkyo AVR (HDMI port 2), and HDMI 1 on the Oppo to my Sony Bravia TV (HDMI port 2), and then have it set up to "Dual HDMI Output" in the settings. For the UDP-LX500, same basic approach: HDMI OUT SUB (audio only) to HDMI port 4 on my Onkyo, and HDMI OUT MAIN on the UDP-LX500 to HDMI port 4 on the Bravia. Set HDMI mode to "Separate." If I select Input 4 on the TV, I get video, no sound. If I select the HDMI port on my Onkyo, I get sound with no picture. If I remove the audio only cable connect and set to "single," I get sound and video, but the sound is only PCM 2.0. I took the cable connections I know work with my Oppo and connected them to the Pioneer; same result. I'm out of ideas, so I hope someone can help.
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First small glitch

Had my new 500 for about a week now no issues until last night,might not even call it an issue but a small glitch. I had two 15 second audio drops ,one at .54 and another at 1:05 on the new 4 k Godzilla disc. I had cleaned it before playing. It does not cause me any concern just a mention. Still loving this player. I did not go back to retry maybe today. The sound and picture on this movie is very good but the movie itself not so. Good demo.

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pls let us know william06 if it, they are repeatable or a one off?
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I will later today I really feel at least hope they are a one off. When I get home later I will try those spots on both the 500 and my Panasonic UB9000. .
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Had my new 500 for about a week now no issues until last night,might not even call it an issue but a small glitch. I had two 15 second audio drops ,one at .54 and another at 1:05 on the new 4 k Godzilla disc. I had cleaned it before playing. It does not cause me any concern just a mention. Still loving this player. I did not go back to retry maybe today. The sound and picture on this movie is very good but the movie itself not so. Good demo.
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My status regarding purchasing is: upholding until freeze issue is solved.
It is embarrassing for a 2k EUR (LX 800) to be in this situation. IMO.

Interesting is the issue is still there despite updates. Hope not to be the processor. Like in Sony, they added DV and HDR without update and via replacing the 1000 model with 1100. Embarrassing too.

Panny announced they are thinking about adding SACD & DVD-A. In this case, a fully killer machine. See what CES 2020 will show us.
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My status regarding purchasing is: upholding until freeze issue is solved.
It is embarrassing for a 2k EUR (LX 800) to be in this situation. IMO.

Interesting is the issue is still there despite updates. Hope not to be the processor. Like in Sony, they added DV and HDR without update and via replacing the 1000 model with 1100. Embarrassing too.

Panny announced they are thinking about adding SACD & DVD-A. In this case, a fully killer machine. See what CES 2020 will show us.
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This was not a freeze but just two short audio drops. I have had more of these 4k uhd players,I’m almost too embarrassed to mention not one has not had some kind of glitch major or minor. If you wait for a totally glitch free unit probably the day of the disc will be history 😂
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My status regarding purchasing is: upholding until freeze issue is solved.
It is embarrassing for a 2k EUR (LX 800) to be in this situation. IMO.

Interesting is the issue is still there despite updates. Hope not to be the processor. Like in Sony, they added DV and HDR without update and via replacing the 1000 model with 1100. Embarrassing too.

Panny announced they are thinking about adding SACD & DVD-A. In this case, a fully killer machine. See what CES 2020 will show us.
Thanks.
If Panny added SACD and DVD-A, that would be my next player. I have a 10 year old Panny BD player sitting in the garage that was a very nice machine. I'm still on the fence with this, one, but I have 3 Oppo players so I'm in no hurry.

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Watched Apocalypse now final cut this evening all played fantastic except a 1-1/12 second glitch at the. 2 hr and 8 minute spot so fast almost didn’t notice bet it was a layer change. This was other wise an awesome disc the audio was unbelievable for a 1979 film.
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Watched Shazam this evening and had zero issues and last night no issues with Godzilla:King of the Monsters.


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Watched "Shadow" this morning. No issues at all and gorgeous image, by the way.
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Have the weekend off so I decided to have a little fun with the pioneer and watch movies all day. Yesterday I watched Godzilla king of the monsters, Apocalypse now final cut and stand by me. All of which were the 4K editions and all played through perfectly fine without a single hiccup. This player is awesome, I feel my pq and aq are better than my Sony 1000. Watched the blu-ray edition of The intruder and it played flawlessly as well today. Later on Ill check out the 4Ks of Rocketman and Brightburn.

Have a good day all!
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Hi just an update on my couple very small glitches on Godzilla and apocalypse now final cut. Went back through this am. No glitches nothing played perfect. Must have been dust. Picture and sound excellent
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I had a freeze during Godzilla towards the end at the 1:54 mark and a couple freezes during Rocketman but they only lasted a few seconds and the disc started playing again on their own. Both discs are DV BD100 discs.

I did pause and rewind a few times during both which I’m convinced plays a part in the freezes although no proof other than I don’t seem to have any freezes when I play a disc straight through.

Apocalypse Now which I somehow have never seen was finally delivered today so I’ll probably be watching that later as it looking like a lazy rainy day.


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Hi T-smith, hope all is going well and you have a good, pause free movie time.
I asked you a question over on the Marantz AV7705 thread. Post #510 .
IF you have time and any answer, it would be appreciated.
Don't want to get off topic here.
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Hi T-smith, hope all is going well and you have a good, pause free movie time.
I asked you a question over on the Marantz AV7705 thread. Post #510 .
IF you have time and any answer, it would be appreciated.
Don't want to get off topic here.
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Hi Wayne,
I can not help you specific for this model. Meanwhile, I bought for a friend SR 7013 in December last year and I can say that is warm. Very good partner with sensitive speakers. The matching was with Klipsch which are known as sensitive ones.
I assume that a preamp philosophy is similar with a receiver. Important is your amp and loudspeaker specifications. Audyssey calibration is good enough. Tested a lot with every media format and no fatigue. Very good audio processing or passthrough. I like the system for this price range. Hope to help you a little in your decision. Thanks, Mike
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Thanks Mike, ^^^^^^^^^
I really appreciate it. I think I am gonna have to go with the AV7705, even though I don't like Audyssey, I have had much better with DIRAC, IMHO.
But I cannot justify the more than double price of the AV8805. As much as I love to have the best equipment possible, price wise it just is not acceptable at this time.
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Thanks Mike, ^^^^^^^^^
I really appreciate it. I think I am gonna have to go with the AV7705, even though I don't like Audyssey, I have had much better with DIRAC, IMHO.
But I cannot justify the more than double price of the AV8805. As much as I love to have the best equipment possible, price wise it just is not acceptable at this time.
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...8805 has video processing you do not need in the era of advanced smart TV and universal players. Not talking about extra heat and jitter. This is the reason why 7013 is on the shelf versus 8805 (case mentioned in the previous post). And of course, price. Mike
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^^^^^^^^^^
Not to mention the 8805 has way more channels than I need.
But I would like the better DAC implementation.
OH, SORRY, this is the wrong thread for this, I will hush.
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If Panny added SACD and DVD-A, that would be my next player. I have a 10 year old Panny BD player sitting in the garage that was a very nice machine. I'm still on the fence with this, one, but I have 3 Oppo players so I'm in no hurry.
I’d consider getting one but I’d read the reviews first. I read 3 different reviews of the Panny 9000 that all mentioned how glaringly bright it sounded with CD’s.
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A customer review has mentioned viceversa - https://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

A friend of mine has kept Panny versus LX 800 due to the heavy bass presence.

I think it depends on taste and audio system correlated with room characteristics.

Interesting is there is no mods on Panny. Only Oppo and Pioneer. Why? Maybe Pioneer LX devices are considered the successors of Oppo in the market. Panny could accommodate electronic parts because is quite big. I did not see the banal power supply offered to audiophile guys.
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I’d consider getting one but I’d read the reviews first. I read 3 different reviews of the Panny 9000 that all mentioned how glaringly bright it sounded with CD’s.
I think that would depend on other equipment used. A cd or sacd output sent via pcm to my Anthem should sound identical whether from my Oppo, a Panny, or the Pioneer. The difference for me will be the analog output to my headphone amp. On paper there shouldn't be much difference, the Panny having the AKM 4493 and the Pio having the AKM 4490.

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I think that would depend on other equipment used. A cd or sacd output sent via pcm to my Anthem should sound identical whether from my Oppo, a Panny, or the Pioneer. The difference for me will be the analog output to my headphone amp. On paper there shouldn't be much difference, the Panny having the AKM 4493 and the Pio having the AKM 4490.
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Yes, true. Depends on the music format and quality of player. Most today DACs are DSD native and is good when you listen SACDs (no conversion). Meanwhile, most of us have CDs which are PCM coded. Guess what? => conversion PCM into DSD => poor one, because is heavily dependent on quality of device (parts, layout...) => detrimental effect on signal. That’s why SACDs sounds better than CDs.

I have Anthem too, but unfortunately it does not know DSD audio in. That’s why the signal is PCM via HDMI when a SACD is spinning. You have to avoid this via passthrough (no preamp processing) using RCAs. Hence, you use DAC of player and avoid double conversion (in player and preamp).

The best is no signal processing via analogue pathway from my turntable. All the way passthrough. Night and day better compared to SACD or CD. But this is another discussion.
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Mike, that is why I cannot go with Anthem, NO DSD capability.
And I am too heavily invested in DSD for that.
Even two channel (not my favorite) on my DAP, DSD is sweet.
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Yes, true. Depends on the music format and quality of player. Most today DACs are DSD native and is good when you listen SACDs (no conversion). Meanwhile, most of us have CDs which are PCM coded. Guess what? => conversion PCM into DSD => poor one, because is heavily dependent on quality of device (parts, layout...) => detrimental effect on signal. That’s why SACDs sounds better than CDs.

I have Anthem too, but unfortunately it does not know DSD audio in. That’s why the signal is PCM via HDMI when a SACD is spinning. You have to avoid this via passthrough (no preamp processing) using RCAs. Hence, you use DAC of player and avoid double conversion (in player and preamp).

The best is no signal processing via analogue pathway from my turntable. All the way passthrough. Night and day better compared to SACD or CD. But this is another discussion.
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Mike, I’d be VERY surprised if you have equipment which converts LPCM content (as from a CD disc) to DSD as a step prior to Digital audio output or to send to its DACs for Analog audio output.

The usual conversion is from DSD content *TO* LPCM.

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A customer review has mentioned viceversa - https://www.amazon.de/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

A friend of mine has kept Panny versus LX 800 due to the heavy bass presence.

I think it depends on taste and audio system correlated with room characteristics.

Interesting is there is no mods on Panny. Only Oppo and Pioneer. Why? Maybe Pioneer LX devices are considered the successors of Oppo in the market. Panny could accommodate electronic parts because is quite big. I did not see the banal power supply offered to audiophile guys.
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I think I’m going to listen more to the professional reviews rather than someone on Amazon, but you’re right, it’s all a matter of taste.

There’s no mods on the Panny because most audiophiles consider it a wasted opportunity. The audio community isn’t interested in a $1000 player that can’t play SACD or DVD-A. Too bad, there’s a couple of mods that could tame the bright sound out of the analog outputs.
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Mike, I’d be VERY surprised if you have equipment which converts LPCM content (as from a CD disc) to DSD as a step prior to Digital audio output or to send to its DACs for Analog audio output.

The usual conversion is from DSD content *TO* LPCM.

For more info on what’s going on here, see my Blog post:

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Mike, I’d be VERY surprised if you have equipment which converts LPCM content (as from a CD disc) to DSD as a step prior to Digital audio output or to send to its DACs for Analog audio output.

The usual conversion is from DSD content *TO* LPCM.

For more info on what’s going on here, see my Blog post:

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Interesting link. Thanks. Good to know.

I am listening music 90% analogue (stereo, no processing, no calibration, only passthrough) via turntable - LPs SH before 1990 to be sure that editing, mixing and mastering were analogue. Contemporary ones if they are analogue certified. The rest (10 %) CDs/SACDs and this is the reason why I want to find out what happens in our digital devices.

I did not know that DSD is an archive (not a audio format). I understand your point of view. Meanwhile, I am quite confused now.

I have read that native PCM R-2R ladder DAC chips, and the circuitry that supports them, cost significantly more to manufacture and are significantly larger in size than native DSD single-bit DAC. This is one of the major reasons that single-bit DAC chips are more commonly used today. When a PCM file is played the single-bit DAC chip has to convert the PCM to DSD in real-time. According to you link this is not happening.

My player is Sony 1000ES and I do not know what DACs are inside. I am using analogue out from Sony (no processing, no calibration, only passthrough in the line preamp Anthem) for both CDs and SACDs because I like more the outcome compared to HDMI processed and calibrated pathway. IMHO.

If I have Pioneer LX 800 I will select the same approach. Thanks.
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Mike, I’d be VERY surprised if you have equipment which converts LPCM content (as from a CD disc) to DSD as a step prior to Digital audio output or to send to its DACs for Analog audio output.

The usual conversion is from DSD content *TO* LPCM.

For more info on what’s going on here, see my Blog post:

Understanding DSD to LPCM Conversion, OR SACD “Noise Shaping” for Fun & Profit!

—Bob
The Marantz SA-KI Ruby SACD/CD player does all DSD upsampling automatically. But this is a 4000 diollar CD/SACD player... I almost bought one, but decided it was a bit much.

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All digital music is handled via with Marantz Musical Mastering – a fully balanced proprietary technology that involves two stages: MMM-Conversion and MMM-Stream. In the former, dedicated master clocks guarantee all digital signals get directly upsampled to DSD256 (four times the SACD standard) without any need for sample-rate conversion. Because the output from the 1-bit direct MMM-Conversion process is an extremely high-frequency stream of single pulses, it's already an analog signal that requires nothing else than a benchmark low-pass filter to offer the purest-possible analog output. Enter MMM-Stream, which completes the enviably elegant digital-processing equation. The result: A sonically enthralling process that fully makes the best of digital music without introducing any artifacts that require more post-conversion processing.

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^ Interesting! I wonder how they upsample a DSD64 stream?
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