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You have three modes in LX800.
1. Off - Video on, analog on and digital audio on.
2. Direct - Only analog audio out.
3. Transport - Video on, digital audio on, analog audio off.
HDMI modes with Transport.
Single - Video and audio through main hdmi output.
Separate - Video through main and audio through second output.
Pure audio - Video off and audio out through second output.
Oh, good options.
I am leaning to Pioneer to replace my actual player. I am waiting CES 2020 to find out which are the trends. I hope that software updates to resolve the current issue - freezing UHD in some cases.

I have to replace the actual OLED with a new one and again waiting 2020 models. With other words, next year I am going to replace both TV and universal player. Let see which player, because for OLED I decided which one.
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Analog always implies pcm output. So, yes, it should decode the DSD from both SACD or
USB/network.
DSD/SACD can only be sent unmodified (native) digitally through HDMI.

I have a LX800 and often use the balanced out for sacd/cd output. It sounds really nice.
Although LX800 also have a PURE AUDIO HDMI option from the second hdmi port. This
setting disables all video output of the player. It’s not available in the LX500.
Really nice if you have a nice(r) DAC or prepro.

Where did you read this player transform DSD to PCM for analog out??? And you can have DSD directly convert to analog + PCM is digital, it still needs to be convert.
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Where did you read this player transform DSD to PCM for analog out??? And you can have DSD directly convert to analog + PCM is digital, it still needs to be convert.
I miswrote! When I play CDs I get pcm through digital out. Playing DSD sends DSD through digital out. Probably DSD or PCM directly to analog when playing analog outs.
The DAC should handle this. If it supports direct DSD to analog conversion then I
suppose that’s how LX800 does it. Which I remember reading ESS 9026 supports.

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Oh, good options.
I am leaning to Pioneer to replace my actual player. I am waiting CES 2020 to find out which are the trends. I hope that software updates to resolve the current issue - freezing UHD in some cases.

I have to replace the actual OLED with a new one and again waiting 2020 models. With other words, next year I am going to replace both TV and universal player. Let see which player, because for OLED I decided which one.
I haven’t actually had a single uhd movie freeze for me. Watched well over 30 uhd
movies complete, More than double that demoed. Also most that haved freezed for others.
I have two recent 1080p bluray releases that did not start (hanged the player) though.
The freeze problem could also be a cable issue..

For TVs you don’t need the advanced tone mapping from UB9000. The recent oled reach
almost 1000nits. Then the advantage of better tone mapping is mute.
A friend of mine with a JVC N7 4k projector however loves his panasonic player. In this
case the Pioneers are a bit limiting with their tone mapping options.

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Me with 2 friends we have tested Sony 1100 ES with Panasonic 9000 (my friend owner), and both Oppo 205 & LX 800.

I confirm that LX 800 sounds better than Oppo in analogue section. We have tested only analogue, because none of us are listening digital music via HDMI, except concerts...
Compared to 9000 the difference is narrowing in favor of LX 800 and depends on preferences.

In the end the guy with Oppo who wanted to replace it keep 9000 due to analogue multichannel option. In addition, the video outcome is by far the best alternative nowadays. THX and HDR settings...make the difference. He has separate SACD player, no issue...and no DVDa in library...
Ahh nice! Did you do the test all together or one at a time from memory?

Yes, I have read reviews that confirm the audio quality you wrote. But then again the
smaller differences is the same for any player when you go up in price.

The video quality however can be debated, most of the ”better” video quality can
be seen on some test screens but not in real life. Unless you have a projector and need
the better tone mapping.

The difference in digital audio is even smaller, especially when we speak of multi
channel audio. DSD or PCM direct is also extremly small differences, most come from
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Ahh nice! Did you do the test all together or one at a time from memory?

Yes, I have read reviews that confirm the audio quality you wrote. But then again the
smaller differences is the same for any player when you go up in price.

The video quality however can be debated, most of the ”better” video quality can
be seen on some test screens but not in real life. Unless you have a projector and need
the better tone mapping.

The difference in digital audio is even smaller, especially when we speak of multi
channel audio. DSD or PCM direct is also extremly small differences, most come from
the DAC or prepro.
Yes, like in reviews. Tested all together.
I agree with you that Panasonic UB9000 is the best option for projector. For TV LX800 or 9000, or Sony 1100ES.

For audio small differences between 800 and 9000 in analogue mode. But if your line preamp has multichannel analogue in the logic approach is 9000, of course not interested in SACD/DVDa.

If 9000 successor will have SACD/DVDa the winner will be 9000. I’ve read that could be possible in the next device.

Did you think about replace the power supply with a better one?

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Yes, like in reviews.
I agree with you that Panasonic UB9000 is the best option for projector. For TV LX800 or 9000, or Sony 1100ES.

For audio small differences between 800 and 9000 in analogue mode. But if your line preamp has multichannel analogue in the logic approach is 9000, of course not interested in SACD/DVDa.

If 9000 successor will have SACD/DVDa the winner will be 9000. I’ve read that could be possible in the next device.

Did you think about replace the power supply with a better one?
I don’t know. Have read about some mods. Don’t like those that have to cut holes
in the unit.
I’d have to know I would get a substancial improvement in SQ.before even thinking
about any mods. This is after all not a cheap toy.

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I don’t know. Have read about some mods. Don’t like those that have to cut holes
in the unit.
I’d have to know I would get a substancial improvement in SQ.before even thinking
about any mods. This is after all not a cheap toy.
Ah, yes with holes or not, from adding 1/3 of stock unit financial effort to double the price.
It seems nobody did it here in this forum. I am just curious if it is good or not in the presence of an extra cash of course.

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Disable BD-Live warning?

I do not want to use BD-LIVE for a number of reasons, so I do not have a USB flash drive loaded. What's annoying is I get the "The Setting is prohibited, please setup again inside homemenu" every time I load a Blu-ray disc, which I must select "OK" to move past. I've also tried putting in a USB drive and turning BD-LIVE off. Same result. It seems a bit odd to me that a unit that has no apps at all and no WI-FI requires an internet connection to function without error or warning messages. Any ideas on how to disable this warning?
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I do not want to use BD-LIVE for a number of reasons, so I do not have a USB flash drive loaded. What's annoying is I get the "The Setting is prohibited, please setup again inside homemenu" every time I load a Blu-ray disc, which I must select "OK" to move past. I've also tried putting in a USB drive and turning BD-LIVE off. Same result. It seems a bit odd to me that a unit that has no apps at all and no WI-FI requires an internet connection to function without error or warning messages. Any ideas on how to disable this warning?
Yes, I have the same on LX800. I have my player connected to internet all the time.
It seems it can’t be removed. Although I haven’t tried with ethernet disabled.

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And where the hell is the new firmware?
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Hi! I'm waiting for my LX500 to get delivered and wondering if anyone knows what CCP device code to use in a URC-MX-990 remote file? I tried searching, no joy. I blitzed my OPPO 205, please don't ask how ...

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Hi! I'm waiting for my LX500 to get delivered and wondering if anyone knows what CCP device code to use in a URC-MX-990 remote file? I tried searching, no joy. I blitzed my OPPO 205, please don't ask how ...
Don't know what blitzed means, but Oppo does great repair work and they turn it around in a day or two tops and for reasonable costs. Did you seek a repair?
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I’m sure the delay of the pending firmware is at least in part due to Sound United acquiring Pioneer earlier this year but to not hear anything about it since they mentioned the delay is concerning.

I’m more concerned with continued playability improvements though than HDR10+ which doesn’t apply to me anyway since I have an LG OLED.

Emailing Pioneer is a complete waste of time as I emailed them a few times about an app for this player and only response I ever got was that my question was being redirected.


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Don't know what blitzed means, but Oppo does great repair work and they turn it around in a day or two tops and for reasonable costs. Did you seek a repair?
It's somewhat major and it's out of warranty - I wasn't sure with their no longer being made so I chickened out . I figured the LX500 was a good substitute going forward.

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It's somewhat major and it's out of warranty - I wasn't sure with their no longer being made so I chickened out . I figured the LX500 was a good substitute going forward.
You could pay to have the 205 repaired by OPPO and still make money selling it, if that’s the way you want to go. Check the selling prices for 205’s lately?
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You could pay to have the 205 repaired by OPPO and still make money selling it, if that’s the way you want to go. Check the selling prices for 205’s lately?
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It's somewhat major and it's out of warranty - I wasn't sure with their no longer being made so I chickened out . I figured the LX500 was a good substitute going forward.
I've bought several used Oppo players recently. One was an 83 with a scratched front panel and disc draw cover. Oppo had parts in stock at very fair pricing. The 83 now looks and performs like new. The other was a 93 that would not play discs. The seller sent it direct to Oppo and for $99 (including shipping) they went completely through the player. They replaced the optical drive and did diagnostics on everything. The 93 looks and performs like new.

So as suggested already I'd contact Oppo with the issues your 205 is having. If they can't talk you through a solution pack it up and send it to them. I'm sure the LX500 is a great player. But it pales in comparison to the 205 in the feature set alone IMO.

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I've bought several used Oppo players recently. One was an 83 with a scratched front panel and disc draw cover. Oppo had parts in stock at very fair pricing. The 83 now looks and performs like new. The other was a 93 that would not play discs. The seller sent it direct to Oppo and for $99 (including shipping) they went completely through the player. They replaced the optical drive and did diagnostics on everything. The 93 looks and performs like new.

So as suggested already I'd contact Oppo with the issues your 205 is having. If they can't talk you through a solution pack it up and send it to them. I'm sure the LX500 is a great player. But it pales in comparison to the 205 in the feature set alone IMO.

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Nice OPPO collection, beats my 205, 105 and 83, I thought this was a Pioneer thread

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I’m sure the delay of the pending firmware is at least in part due to Sound United acquiring Pioneer earlier this year but to not hear anything about it since they mentioned the delay is concerning.

I’m more concerned with continued playability improvements though than HDR10+ which doesn’t apply to me anyway since I have an LG OLED.

Emailing Pioneer is a complete waste of time as I emailed them a few times about an app for this player and only response I ever got was that my question was being redirected.


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Except HDR10+ update, is there other improvement planned for this firmware?
Still frozen UHD discs?

I am asking because LX800 is in my short list. Anyway, I am waiting CES 2020 to see the next generation of universal players. Hope better ones...or not...Thanks.
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Except HDR10+ update, is there other improvement planned for this firmware?

Still frozen UHD discs?



I am asking because LX800 is in my short list. Anyway, I am waiting CES 2020 to see the next generation of universal players. Hope better ones...or not...Thanks.


Nothing else has been announced as far as I know but playability updates are usually included in these kinds of releases on players which I fully expect in this one since there hasn’t been a release since July


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I’m sure the delay of the pending firmware is at least in part due to Sound United acquiring Pioneer earlier this year but to not hear anything about it since they mentioned the delay is concerning.
Sound United have terminated their acquisition of Pioneer & Onkyo it was announced in October, https://www.audioholics.com/news/sou...-pioneer-onkyo

It seems Pioneer has roughly 2 more weeks to meet that "Autumn 2019" deadline which would be a nice Christmas present for LX500/800 owners
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Sound United have terminated their acquisition of Pioneer & Onkyo it was announced in October, https://www.audioholics.com/news/sou...-pioneer-onkyo



It seems Pioneer has roughly 2 more weeks to meet that "Autumn 2019" deadline which would be a nice Christmas present for LX500/800 owners


Thanks for the link as I was not aware it fell through although did think it was odd I didn’t see much about it recently.

This could still have impacted the release of the firmware although less likely at this point.


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