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post #1111 of 1160 Old 02-25-2020, 02:34 AM
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I've been keeping an eye on this thread for a while but didn't have a Dolby Vision capable TV at the time. Long story short, my LG 9600 OLED is being replaced by Best Buy for full store credit of the original purchase cost - brand new TV coming in!

That means I am obviously in the market for a DV capable player (using the Sony X800 - not the MkII - at the moment) and since I have over 100 SACDs and DVD-As, I would prefer a universal player like the LX500.

Cue to the latest rumblings about Pioneer's cancelled acquisition and the delay of the HDR10+ update and the fact that the player (or any video disc player) is no longer listed on the US and Canada sites and you can imagine my hesitation to take the plunge on a $1300 (here in Canada) player.
With that being said, I called my go-to audio dealer in Toronto who carries Pioneer and asked them if he could still get the player and what his read on the situation is. Well, here's what I was just told:

It seems that the previous Pioneer sales rep my guy used to deal with is gone and no replacement has ever come forward. So he made some phone calls and pretty much told me that Pioneer appears to be winding things down in North America after the Sound United deal fell through and that the player has been discontinued. Not sure if that means the video disc side of their offerings or a larger chunk but at least other categories have new products listed...
He used to have one player that he sold to another Canadian dealer two months ago to cover one of their customers.

I am not saying this is gospel and might be different between Canada and the US, but from the feedback I got, things are certainly not looking good and I'd be very hesitant to buy a player (whether from a dealer or open box on ebay) where future support in terms of firmware and warranty repairs is less than certain.
We've all seen and heard enough about certain discs not playing to know that ongoing firmware support is key.

All that being said, I will reach to to Pioneer directly as well and see if they can confirm or deny what my dealer told me about the LX500 being discontinued (for Canada at least).

Guess I might have to start looking into the Panasonic UB9000 and get used to the idea of a two box solution for video and SACD/DVD-A playback - *sigh*
The player is still on the US site. Here:

https://www.pioneerhomeusa.com/product/udp-lx500/

It does say out of stock. This is Pioneer's exact response to my inquiry:

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The blueray player is being manufactured we have not been given a ETA of when it would be available.
Now things can change rapidly in the corporate world, so who knows. Another poster also noted the HDR 10+ update is not dead yet, still apparently coming. If they do go out of business here, that would leave these as the only available universal players:

Sony 800M2
Sony X1100es.

I'd probably go for the x1100es. I need the two channel analog output for running to a headphone amp. The X1100es also uses the AKM 4452vn Dac. Not a bad dac, it's the two channel sibling to the 4458 used in the Oppo 203, which I find is darn good.

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Thanks for that link to the US site - I was however referring to it not being listed on the Canadian site for Pioneer Electronics:

https://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POCEN/Home - which is different from its US counterpart.

Even if you use the search box, there are 0 results for the LX500.

That's why I said things might be different between the US and Canada. I've reached out to Pioneer directly but haven't heard back from them yet.

Visions.ca seems to have the player available (https://www.visions.ca/product-detai...0&sku=UDPLX500) but only if you order it in person in store. I spoke with a store manager on the phone yesterday and they claim they can get it with a 4-6 week lead time if I place an order (and pay upfront) in store.
None of the stores (in Calgary at least) has any inventory on hand though.

But getting a hold of a player and it being supported by Pioneer with firmware updates down the line are two very different things...

Since I already have a universal player in the Sony UBP-X800, I might just get the Panasonic UB9000 for the video part. Boggles the mind though how a player like that focused on build quality and especially audio quality omits support for two of the most audiophile formats of SACD and DVD-A.

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Pioneer UDPLX500's Zoom Control

https://intl.pioneer-audiovisual.com...180703_web.pdf p. 28 and 31.

But does this Pioneer 4K player also allow you to move the zoomed-and "moving" zoomed image of a DVD and/or BD movie-up or down on the screen, like my trusty JVC XA-NA70BK DVD player can?


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https://intl.pioneer-audiovisual.com...180703_web.pdf p. 28 and 31.

But does this Pioneer 4K player also allow you to move the zoomed-and "moving" zoomed image of a DVD and/or BD movie-up or down on the screen, like my trusty JVC XA-NA70BK DVD player can?

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Yes it does.
I looked in the manual pdf but could not find

how to move the zoomed movie image up, down and sideways across the screen via remote. How is that done?

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I looked in the manual pdf but could not find

how to move the zoomed movie image up, down and sideways across the screen via remote. How is that done?
I use the Blue button to get the desired zoom, then use the up/down/left/right buttons to move. Pretty straightforward.

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I use the Blue button to get the desired zoom, then use the up/down/left/right buttons to move. Pretty straightforward.
Thanks. Really upset that my otherwise very nice Oppo 95 doesn't let you move the zoomed image; none of the Oppos do Oppo Support told me.
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Anyone else had issues with Gemini Man?

I had heavy stuttering of the image twice atleast. Quite long ones, over 30 seconds both.
At about 20 minutes when Will Smith climbes down the hatch beside his bed.
Also at about 61-62 minutes when younger Victor Hugo haves Mary Elisabeth undress.
Thought it was a disc error first. So I borrowed my friends disc that worked flawlessly
on his Panasonic DP-UB820. Same frame stutter on the exact same places.

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I use the Blue button to get the desired zoom, then use the up/down/left/right buttons to move. Pretty straightforward.
And would you know of any 1080p Pioneer BD players that have full range slow motion and movable zoomed image like the LX500 but that also have a composite and/or S-video output? I’d like to use it for now with my 32” Sony CRT TV.
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And would you know of any 1080p Pioneer BD players that have full range slow motion and movable zoomed image like the LX500 but that also have a composite and/or S-video output? I’d like to use it for now with my 32” Sony CRT TV.
Sorry, no idea. But wow! I used to have the 34" Sony widescreen CRT, all 300 lbs. of it many moons ago!

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Been a Pioneer UDP-LX500 owner since December 2018. Must admit that I did not use it much before October last year and bought a lot of UHD movies to watch since then. Not sure what firmware it was running back at this date, but suddenly I was experiencing playback issues on several UHD movies I had bought.

UHD Movies with playback issues:

- Fast & Furious: Hobbs & Shaw @1h38m, 1h48m
- Scarface @2h36m, 2h42m
- Black Hawk Down @0h9m, 2h04m

In the Scarface movie, I almost gave up watching it in the end...
I was first thinking heat issues for long playing movies, so I watched the same movie another day without any glitches. Al Pacino is a fantastic actor in this movie.
I contacted my dealer and they wanted to have a check on my player, until I was googling my issue. I did not really want to send the player for check, so I was still using it and some movies like Blade Runner 2049 with over 2 hours play time did not have any glitches.

In the end of December 2019, there was an new update for my player, v1.16. Only changes that was mentioned was fixing playback issues.
Since December, I've been watching maybe 15+ UHD movies without any glitches. I also read here that the Westworld Season 1 UHD playback on this player is horrible, so I bought it 2 weeks ago. I'm now on episode 7 or 8 without any issues at all with the playback.

I think now that Pioneer has solved the playback issues permanent and like everything else, everything is software today
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Sorry about the link to 220-Electronics! Didn't realize they were forbidden. They appear to have them.

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This thread has been very quiet.


Curious, we are in mid-March. Have any of you seen inventories/back order fulfillment in the US of the LX500?
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This thread has been very quiet.


Curious, we are in mid-March. Have any of you seen inventories/back order fulfillment in the US of the LX500?
Does this mean Pioneer has likely discontinued them?
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Does this mean Pioneer has likely discontinued them?
No, Pioneer told me this:

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This was before the coronavirus outbreak. I suspect that the ETA is even more uncertain now.
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The two players in contention for top spot are the Panasonic UB9000 and the Pioneer LX-500. I know this is a forum about the Pioneer, anyone has experience with both? I really do not think that one will sound that much better than the other, or the image of one will be that much better than the other. Either one will be a good experience.

However, features, options, support, built quality, connections, etc. are things that can be compared. To me, not having the analog 7.1 output of the Oppos and Panasonic is a negative of the Pioneer because I have quite a few Bluray discs, and I believe that the DACs in these players is better than on most AV Processors.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Pioneer LX500 Special Feature Request: Please Email Consumer Feedback

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No, Pioneer told me this: This was before the coronavirus outbreak. I suspect that the ETA is even more uncertain now.
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Anyone else had issues with Gemini Man?
I had heavy stuttering of the image twice atleast. Quite long ones, over 30 seconds both.20 minutes when Will Smith climbes down the hatch beside his bed.
Also at about 61-62 minutes when........
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Thanks for that link to the US site - I was however referring to it not being listed on the Canadian site for Pioneer Electronics:
[ur eo part. Boggles the mind though how a player like that focused on build quality and especially audio quality omits support for two of the most audiophile formats of SACD and DVD-A.
As I recently learned from this thread Pioneer announced that LX500 was recently out of production due to the Corona virus, so I thought it opportune to make this special request if Pioneer’s engineering team could swing the mod in time before they resume production.

Pioneer's LX500 is not only an excellent 4K BD player but has the best slow motion and advanced zoom features I've yet to find in any other BD player. But until I buy an OLED or better TV to use with the 5.1 surround system I want to build, I prefer using my 32” Toshiba CRT TV in my bedroom. The LX500 is the only BD player where the zoom control also allows you to move the zoomed image anywhere around the screen, a feature I find very cool and have long enjoyed from my JVC XV-NA70BD DVD player.

But like all 4K and even many 1080p BD players it has no analog video outputs. So I emailed http://help.pioneerhomeusa.com/support/contact.cfm Shortly thereafter, a Technical Specialist from Onkyo USA replied saying “We will pass your requests for these product features to the engineering team in Japan. Thank you for your input. “ Apparently, Pioneer or any brand can ignore Analog Sunset and add any connectivity they please provided it doesn’t violate BD or HDMI Assn licensing.

As you know CE brands often do respond favorably to customer requests, provided they receive enough of the same. To do so please go to the above link and scroll to Home Theater Systems and ignore the A20 field. Please consider helping out. Thank you.
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As I recently learned from this thread Pioneer announced that LX500 was recently out of production due to the Corona virus, so I thought it opportune to make this special request if Pioneer’s engineering team could swing the mod in time before they resume production.

Pioneer's LX500 is not only an excellent 4K BD player but has the best slow motion and advanced zoom features I've yet to find in any other BD player. But until I buy an OLED or better TV to use with the 5.1 surround system I want to build, I prefer using my 32” Toshiba CRT TV in my bedroom. The LX500 is the only BD player where the zoom control also allows you to move the zoomed image anywhere around the screen, a feature I find very cool and have long enjoyed from my JVC XV-NA70BD DVD player.

But like all 4K and even many 1080p BD players it has no analog video outputs. So I emailed http://help.pioneerhomeusa.com/support/contact.cfm Shortly thereafter, a Technical Specialist from Onkyo USA replied saying “We will pass your requests for these product features to the engineering team in Japan. Thank you for your input. “ Apparently, Pioneer or any brand can ignore Analog Sunset and add any connectivity they please provided it doesn’t violate BD or HDMI Assn licensing.

As you know CE brands often do respond favorably to customer requests, provided they receive enough of the same. To do so please go to the above link and scroll to Home Theater Systems and ignore the A20 field. Please consider helping out. Thank you.

Good luck with that, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. I don’t think they’re going to add video outs for the extremely few people who want to use a 4k player with a CRT.

In fact, if you read this thread, you’d know most of us just want Pioneer to start manufacturing these things again- just the way they are.
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As I recently learned from this thread Pioneer announced that LX500 was recently out of production due to the Corona virus, so I thought it opportune to make this special request if Pioneer’s engineering team could swing the mod in time before they resume production.

Pioneer's LX500 is not only an excellent 4K BD player but has the best slow motion and advanced zoom features I've yet to find in any other BD player. But until I buy an OLED or better TV to use with the 5.1 surround system I want to build, I prefer using my 32” Toshiba CRT TV in my bedroom. The LX500 is the only BD player where the zoom control also allows you to move the zoomed image anywhere around the screen, a feature I find very cool and have long enjoyed from my JVC XV-NA70BD DVD player.

But like all 4K and even many 1080p BD players it has no analog video outputs. So I emailed http://help.pioneerhomeusa.com/support/contact.cfm Shortly thereafter, a Technical Specialist from Onkyo USA replied saying “We will pass your requests for these product features to the engineering team in Japan. Thank you for your input. “ Apparently, Pioneer or any brand can ignore Analog Sunset and add any connectivity they please provided it doesn’t violate BD or HDMI Assn licensing.

As you know CE brands often do respond favorably to customer requests, provided they receive enough of the same. To do so please go to the above link and scroll to Home Theater Systems and ignore the A20 field. Please consider helping out. Thank you.
Plenty of HDMI to analog converters out there ...

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Visuals are stunning and sound is good.
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Plenty of HDMI to analog converters out there ...
This looks to be one of the better ones.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...l.html/reviews

I've seen them for way more money. You’d probably getting good picture quality for the money but which is still rather pricey. And it’s hardly the kind of thing I’d be using in the long term.

I suppose I should grab and shelve the LX500 sometime after they start producing them again or wait to see if the newer model has the same features. At least ONE model of ONE brand still does! Thank you CE bean counters for Analog Sunset.
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Good luck with that, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. I don’t think they’re going to add video outs for the extremely few people who want to use a 4k player with a CRT.

In fact, if you read this thread, you’d know most of us just want Pioneer to start manufacturing these things again- just the way they are.
I still have an Oppo BDP-95 with RGB analog out connections. I've never used them. It also has the single yellow video out the manual says to use if needed for diagnostics.

Ekayo, you might look for a used Oppo-bdp-83, 93, or 95, the last slate of players that I know have video analog out. (RGB) I had a panasonic bd player before the Oppo-83 I had and it had RGB as well. I recently gave it to the downtown rescue mission thrift store after sitting in my garage for more than 10 years. So you might also check thrift stores for players with RGB.

Ekayo, Pioneer will never go back to putting RGB into BD players. You got a polite thank you for your comment reply from Onkyo.

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I still have an Oppo BDP-95 with RGB analog out connections. I've never used them. It also has the single yellow video out the manual says to use if needed for diagnostics.

Ekayo, you might look for a used Oppo-bdp-83, 93, or 95, the last slate of players that I know have video analog out. (RGB) I had a panasonic bd player before the Oppo-83 I had and it had RGB as well. I recently gave it to the downtown rescue mission thrift store after sitting in my garage for more than 10 years. So you might also check thrift stores for players with RGB.

Ekayo, Pioneer will never go back to putting RGB into BD players. You got a polite thank you for your comment reply from Onkyo.
I love my Oppo 95 and use its composite output; my TV also has s-video but no RGB input. But like all of the Oppo models its zoom model does NOT allow you to move any part of the zoomed image around on the screen, like the LX500 and my old JVC DVD player can. Not even any JVC BD players can do that as far as I've been able to confirm from the manuals or even from ebay sellers. That's why I was hoping Pioneer could be persuaded to add s-video or composite output to the LX500.
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I love my Oppo 95 and use its composite output; my TV also has s-video but no RGB input. But like all of the Oppo models its zoom model does NOT allow you to move any part of the zoomed image around on the screen, like the LX500 and my old JVC DVD player can. Not even any JVC BD players can do that as far as I've been able to confirm from the manuals or even from ebay sellers. That's why I was hoping Pioneer could be persuaded to add s-video or composite output to the LX500.

S-video is completely dead, so forget that. With Pioneer’s problems, adding composite would be very unlikely. I agree though, every video player should have composite as a diagnostic backup.

Have you considered going on eBay and getting a used DVD player with the zoom function you’re looking for? That’s probably the best option left if you’re sticking with your CRT.
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I agree though, every video player should have composite as a diagnostic backup.

Have you considered going on eBay and getting a used DVD player with the zoom function you’re looking for? That’s probably the best option left if you’re sticking with your CRT.
Thanks but I thought I was clear: My JVC DVD player has all the analog video connectivity AND has the slow mo AND the advanced zoom control I described. But I can NOT find any BLU RAY players that have all of this. If only the LX500, at least had composite video then I’d be set.
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Thanks but I thought I was clear: My JVC DVD player has all the analog video connectivity AND has the slow mo AND the advanced zoom control I described. But I can NOT find any BLU RAY players that have all of this. If only the LX500, at least had composite video then I’d be set.
It just won't happen. Sorry, but as far as I can tell the market for that is about one. Everyone has moved on to HDMI. Your best option if you like the pioneer is the pioneer and a hdmi to analog converter.
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Agreed. I will no longer buy a device that has old archaic video inputs (composite, component). It just potentially compromises the design and adds cost. I'm finally seeing some pre-pro's without this junk, like the Monolith HTP-1. I'm surprised mfr's have not ditched these inputs long ago.
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Thanks but I thought I was clear: My JVC DVD player has all the analog video connectivity AND has the slow mo AND the advanced zoom control I described. But I can NOT find any BLU RAY players that have all of this. If only the LX500, at least had composite video then I’d be set.
As has already been posted Pioneer is not going to add composite or S-VHS video outputs to the LX-500. No player manufacturer will do this. Why would they? It's a huge step backwards in technology. I realize for you it's about having slow motion and zoom capability. Can't say that I've ever used those features. But if I did I would gladly forgo them to have the better PQ of 1080p or 4k.

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I was lucky enough to find one of these back in December and bought it. Now I'm taking advantage of my at home time right now, and working on setting up my LX-500 this weekend for the initial hookup.


I'm wondering if there is an initial recommended settings thread (I don't see it here), or if it's just best to follow the manual? This is my first 4k player and really looking forward to seeing it in action!



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I was lucky enough to find one of these back in December and bought it. Now I'm taking advantage of my at home time right now, and working on setting up my LX-500 this weekend for the initial hookup.


I'm wondering if there is an initial recommended settings thread (I don't see it here), or if it's just best to follow the manual? This is my first 4k player and really looking forward to seeing it in action!



Thanks in advance,
if you have older AVR make sure to do separate audio and video connection and do proper setting in player, your Bluray discs will look extremely good on this player. you can connect separate audio out for 2 channel listening.

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