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M2 has the same build quality of the X800 seeing as it's the exact same unit just with DV added. I love my X800...

I had the UB820 for 30 days before sending it back, reason for I found it to be a great player, but for $500 I felt it should feel more solid. The disk drive was not wisper quiet like on the X800 I think do to the plastic chassie, and the player did run warmer compared to the X800.

The good things about the UB820....

HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision
excellent processor and Image quality, which IMO is just a little better than the Sony.
Player auto detects disk layer and plays correct one, so no manual turning on DV or 10+
Optimizer worked well for 4K HDR movies graded over 1000 nits
excellent audio with Atmos and DTS-X

At the end of the day the Panasonic UB820 is the over all better player compaired to the M2 which it should be @ $200 increase in price, just needs a beefer chassie or better ROM drive.
Thanks, exactly what I needed to know: whether there are noticeable improvements for the $200 premium.
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Greetings CaptainCrunch, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the M2.
I'm looking at the M2 as a potential replacement for the x700 as a blu-ray player, and would like to hear your views on the 4k upscaling capabilities of the M2. Is there significant improvement over the x700?
On certain titles such as the dvd-quality Avatar animation, the ub820 did a much better job than the x700. I wonder if the M2 has managed to close the gap here.
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M2 should be no different from the X800 in the upscaling, video processing part which is great, but again I felt the UB820 was slightly better. Maybe after another firmware or 2 and a price drop for the holiday shopping season I'll pick the UB820 back up. IMO the price should be more inline with the M2 @ $300-$400 range.
Thanks for the kind reply, CaptinCrunch. Guess I'll give it a try when the region-b model is released.


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Since when did avatar use DVD quality cgi?
I believe the source for the blu-ray release is 480i TV footage. But it's still worth the upgrade.
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HDR10+ out-of-the-box or via future firmware update?

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The good things about the UB820....

HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision
excellent processor and Image quality, which IMO is just a little better than the Sony.
Player auto detects disk layer and plays correct one, so no manual turning on DV or 10+
Optimizer worked well for 4K HDR movies graded over 1000 nits
excellent audio with Atmos and DTS-X
The manual says "The player supports HDR video formats such as HDR10, and HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma), and Dolby Vision." But I don't have an HDR10+ disc to test
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The manual says "The player supports HDR video formats such as HDR10, and HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma), and Dolby Vision." But I don't have an HDR10+ disc to test
I know Sony has reversed course and said they were going to support HDR10+ but I don't think they said explicitly for its disk players. With Samsung out of the player business Sony could take the route to try and squash HDR10+ by not supporting it so only the Panny players would.

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HDR10+ titles are hard to come by. Here's a list courtesy of meli, slim pickings indeed.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=300877
Two titles may be worthy of your consideration: the outstanding メアリと魔女の花, and cult favourite GITS2, but getting the english audio track may require a bit of effort.

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HDR10+ titles are hard to come by. Here's a list courtesy of meli, slim pickings indeed.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=300877
Two titles may be worthy of your consideration: the outstanding メアリと魔女の花, and cult favourite GITS2, but getting the english audio track may require a bit of effort.

There will be more HDR10+ move releases on disk over the coming year, but for right now IMO HDR10+ content will be more accessable via streaming services.

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I know Sony has reversed course and said they were going to support HDR10+ but I don't think they said explicitly for its disk players. With Samsung out of the player business Sony could take the route to try and squash HDR10+ by not supporting it so only the Panny players would.
Ahh that's too bad. I don't know if the X800M2 comes with HDR10+ out of the box or needs to be updated with a future firmware release. It's hard to even tell if you are watching HDR10+ because I don't recall any players or TVs showing that in the stream's info. I usually only see "HDR" although I've heard of some TVs displaying Dolby Vision. I have a Samsung 4k/HDR TV so it's hard to tell.
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Ahh that's too bad. I don't know if the X800M2 comes with HDR10+ out of the box or needs to be updated with a future firmware release. It's hard to even tell if you are watching HDR10+ because I don't recall any players or TVs showing that in the stream's info. I usually only see "HDR" although I've heard of some TVs displaying Dolby Vision. I have a Samsung 4k/HDR TV so it's hard to tell.
Check:
https://www.sony.com/electronics/blu...etails_default
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Yeah thanks. I've spent quite a bit of time on that spec page but it doesn't say anything about HDR10+.
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Yeah thanks. I've spent quite a bit of time on that spec page but it doesn't say anything about HDR10+.
I think that's the point...

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Also nothing referencing hdr10+ in the setup menu

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There is no HDR 10+ support.

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If you want HDR, HDR10+, and Dolby Vision in a quality 4K player your choices will be either Panasonic or Pioneer. I don't see Sony supporting HDR10+ at this time, though that may change on it's next 4K player release the same way they did Dolby Vision.

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According to some sources, consumer level Dolby Vision is not using any dynamic metadata at all. I will look for the source when I am back home.
This is the post and reader comment that state the above mentioned shortcomings : https://dci-forum.com/d-cinema-hi-en...y-vision/3135/
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I have done some research and the following retailers are selling the Sony UBP-X800M2:
ABT, Amazon and Best Buy. If you buy it from Amazon you get FREE two Sony 4K UHD movies: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle. This offer is time limited.
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I have done some research and the following retailers are selling the Sony UBP-X800M2:
ABT, Amazon and Best Buy. If you buy it from Amazon you get FREE two Sony 4K UHD movies: Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle. This offer is time limited.
Good luck
Best Buy the same there’s even a sticker on the box mine came from bb.com

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Best Buy the same there’s even a sticker on the box mine came from bb.com
Are you saying that BB offers the two FREE 4K UHD movies?
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Are you saying that BB offers the two FREE 4K UHD movies?
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Yes they’re in the box and there’s a big sticker on the box.
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This is the post and reader comment that state the above mentioned shortcomings : https://dci-forum.com/d-cinema-hi-en...y-vision/3135/
I wouldn't put much weight on some random internet post.

It's no secret that current 10 bit panel TVs do not take full advantage of Dolby Vision's capabilities. But that's not the same as stating that there is currently no value to using Dolby Vision at the consumer level.
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Yes they’re in the box and there’s a big sticker on the box.
I second that. Purchased mine from BB - last one in store.
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I wouldn't put much weight on some random internet post.
It's no secret that current 10 bit panel TVs do not take full advantage of Dolby Vision's capabilities. But that's not the same as stating that there is currently no value to using Dolby Vision at the consumer level.
I don't, but I try to weigh in different opinions.
For me, I really can not put what I see on my Z9D set into any perspective considering all the buzz and obsession around the Dolby Vision. You may call me half-blind, but I do not observe any significant quality difference or improvement between DV and HDR10.
That is, after I've equalized the brightness and contrast settings for those picture modes.
That is the question that makes me wonder why all that obsessed talk about DV.
I wish I could see any relatable difference.
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....According to some sources, consumer level Dolby Vision is not using any dynamic metadata at all.....
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This is the post and reader comment that state the above mentioned shortcomings : https://dci-forum.com/d-cinema-hi-en...y-vision/3135/
Interesting post, priitv8.
First we have reports of m2 doing DV processing on non-dv content, and now this claim.
Perhaps you are on to something here.
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I don't, but I try to weigh in different opinions.
For me, I really can not put what I see on my Z9D set into any perspective considering all the buzz and obsession around the Dolby Vision. You may call me half-blind, but I do not observe any significant quality difference or improvement between DV and HDR10.
That is, after I've equalized the brightness and contrast settings for those picture modes.
That is the question that makes me wonder why all that obsessed talk about DV.
I wish I could see any relatable difference.

It will vary depending on the content. Most will agree that the difference is subtle.
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Are you saying that BB offers the two FREE 4K UHD movies?
Thanks

whats the difference between the x700 and the x800m2? Are these functionally identical?
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There is now an owners thread where you might pick some more actual information

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Yes they’re in the box and there’s a big sticker on the box.
are they discs or streaming videos. do you have a choice of videos?
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are they discs or streaming videos. do you have a choice of videos?
They are discs, no choice in which movies you get.

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I am experiencing an issue where I have to physically unplug the M2 unit from its power outlet and plug it back in for it to power on about an hour or so after it has been powered off. I updated to the latest firmware. I just turned off Quick Start and will test if that's causing the issue, because my original X800 had issues with Quick Start turned On (not starting up 100% of the time).


Has anyone experienced this? And is there a way to hard reset the M2 with physical buttons?
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Guys,

In case some don’t know, there is now an official owners thread for the X800m2. I think the ‘anticipation’ period is over now since these players are now available. A lot of good information and questions are being talked about and answered in this thread. With that in mind, it seems kinda silly that you have to go between two threads to read current discussions about this player. How ‘bout us owners take it to the proper thread and let this thread die out.

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