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Find it strange Sony are still using the ES badge on some of their a/v electronics in the US and have dropped it on the exact same products oversees

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Find it strange Sony are still using the ES badge on some of their a/v electronics in the US and have dropped it on the exact same products oversees
What do you mean? Which products are you talking about?
X800 and X1000ES or X800M2 and X1100ES are different products and they are marketed the same way in Europe and in the US.


Regarding AV receivers, the DN1080 is marketed the same way in Europe and in the US. The ZA810ES is exclusive to the US and based on the DN1080 indeed but there are several differences so it's not the exact same product.
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What do you mean? Which products are you talking about?
X800 and X1000ES or X800M2 and X1100ES are different products and they are marketed the same way in Europe and in the US.


Regarding AV receivers, the DN1080 is marketed the same way in Europe and in the US. The ZA810ES is exclusive to the US and based on the DN1080 indeed but there are several differences so it's not the exact same product.
Sorry I meant to say the XBR branding...for example my television in Europe is the Sony KD65XE9005 which is called the XBR65X900E in the US.

I also own an older bluray player- the BDP-S760...this was branded as the BDP-S1000ES in the US. This was released back in 2009 so not sure if/when they stopped this practice.

Anyway, the bluray player is still functioning perfectly 10 yrs later so I know it's good quality

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User manual: https://www.sony.com/electronics/sup.../47408221M.pdf

As you can see, the Dolby Vision settings are exactly the same as on the X700 so most likely the same bad implementation with no automatic detection of Dolby Vision vs HDR10 content...
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So, this'll now be debuting at 199USD? Do I hear less?

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So, this'll now be debuting at 199USD? Do I hear less?
I guess the Dolby Vision implementation is something I will have to live with. With the exit of Oppo there is no longer a 4K player that can also do SACD and DVD Audio. I have a collection of SACDs and wanted a universal player that could handle these formats and was compatible with my 930E.


I have an 800 that I was going to move to the bedroom system to accompany my Sony 900E as that set doesn't do Dolby Vision.


I also wanted better player build quality than the 700 for my main system.


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I guess the Dolby Vision implementation is something I will have to live with. With the exit of Oppo there is no longer a 4K player that can also do SACD and DVD Audio. I have a collection of SACDs and wanted a universal player that could handle these formats and was compatible with my 930E.


I have an 800 that I was going to move to the bedroom system to accompany my Sony 900E as that set doesn't do Dolby Vision.


I also wanted better player build quality than the 700 for my main system.


Some days you can't win.
Do you have the OPPO BDP-103? Assuming you do, it will make the new Sony UBP-X800M2 strictly a 4K UHD BD player thus limiting its wear and tear. That's a win-win situation for you.
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Do you have the OPPO BDP-103? Assuming you do, it will make the new Sony UBP-X800M2 strictly a 4K UHD BD player thus limiting its wear and tear. That's a win-win situation for you.
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Find it strange Sony are still using the ES badge on some of their a/v electronics in the US and have dropped it on their exact same products oversees
What products do you have in mind?
As I see it, the ES line is only available in US these days. The fact that DN1080 also is offered as the lowest in ES lineup does not change that impression for me. The more expensive models, from ZA1100ES up to ZA5000ES have much higher specs than DN1080 and are not available elsewhere.
The 11-channel ZA5000ES can already be had for half the list price on eBay, but it is available only as 120VAC model. So would require power mods before I could use it in my home.
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What products do you have in mind?
As I see it, the ES line is only available in US these days. The fact that DN1080 also is offered as the lowest in ES lineup does not change that impression for me. The more expensive models, from ZA1100ES up to ZA5000ES have much higher specs than DN1080 and are not available elsewhere.
The 11-channel ZA5000ES can already be had for half the list price on eBay, but it is available only as 120VAC model. So would require power mods before I could use it in my home.
Not in the market currently for any new gear was just curious about what Sony were up to being a big fan of theirs.

If the voltage in your country is higher than the 120V-140V US standard then I imagine you would need a massive and expensive step down transformer- may not be worth the hassle.

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Sony UBP-X800M2 Anticipation Thread

Did you guys see this?


Sony unveils new flagship X1100ES UHD Blu-ray player with Dolby Vision


https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1554362090

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Did you guys see this?


Sony unveils new flagship X1100ES UHD Blu-ray player with Dolby Vision


https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1554362090
As mentioned here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/149-b...on-thread.html

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I owned a 800 and 1000ES, absolutely no reason to spend the extra $$$.
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I owned a 800 and 1000ES, absolutely no reason to spend the extra $$$.


On a whim yesterday I drove 25 miles to get the UB820 yet I still read threads regarding other players. I buy a new tv roughly every three years and each of those have been paired with several players.
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UB820 and UB9000 are about the same way as the 800 vs the ES. I have had both, still have a 820. 9000 does have a few more features, but it is a BIG price difference.
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For 4K front-projection (i.e. no DV) with a 4K/Atmos capable AVR and other streaming clients (Shield Pro + XBox One for Netflix Atmos), is there any notable reason to wait for the X800M2 (assuming $200-$220) over a used X800 (~$100)? I'm mainly looking for a build quality improvement over my Samsung M8500 and the ability to ditch an old Sharp BD player I keep around just for 3D discs.

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For 4K front-projection (i.e. no DV) with a 4K/Atmos capable AVR and other streaming clients (Shield Pro + XBox One for Netflix Atmos), is there any notable reason to wait for the X800M2 (assuming $200-$220) over a used X800 (~$100)? I'm mainly looking for a build quality improvement over my Samsung M8500 and the ability to ditch an old Sharp BD player I keep around just for 3D discs.
The Best players to pair with a projection system will be the either of the Panasonic's UB820/UB9000, or the Pioneer LX500.

Having both the X800 and the UB820 I can say the Panasonic is the better player, even with it not being as solid built as the X800.

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I owned a 800 and 1000ES, absolutely no reason to spend the extra $$$.
I hate not having a front display, so for me it's worthy. But that's just me
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How likely is it that this player is going to have No auto switching Dolby Vision as the manual suggests? That is a real bummer if true. I have always liked Sony disc players but have avoided them for the 4K Generation due to poor DV support. I was hoping the 800M2 might change things.
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Guess I may as well wait another year and see what the PS5 might have in it for a player.
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You would think they would at least have a release date
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You would think they would at least have a release date
C'mon, this is the electronics industry we're talkin' 'bout.

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Hmmm...want an Atmos/Vision player for my new setup, ended up with an Xbox One X, but find the interface horrendous. Also not a fan of reaching for the controller to navigate disc options, just feels clunky and always guess the wrong button to do what I wish. Plus I didn’t realize it had no DV support for discs.

Looking at options, this may be the best replacement. My other components are Sony, so I like the idea of Bravia sync. I suppose the only complaint is digging into menus to flip on DV for enabled discs, and shutting it off for everything else?

Anything else to expect?
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You would think they would at least have a release date
I just dealt with the main Magnolia center here. I am having them order a set of seats that are marked "sold out" on BB.com. Magnolia is ordering them direct so I'm kind of skipping BBuy if that makes sense. When I placed my order I asked about the 800M2. My guy found it in their system already so it's coming soon or it wouldn't be in their system. I asked about the price and it was listed at $999,999 I placed the order already. I expect $249-299 at product launch. He is going to call me the minute he gets a hit and I'll know at least what BB is going to sell them for.
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I suppose the only complaint is digging into menus to flip on DV for enabled discs, and shutting it off for everything else?
On my X700 I leave it on for (almost) always.
HDR10 discs do not suffer at all when played baci in DV=on (except your TV may have different settings for DV and HDR output modes).
Lately I also can bear the SDR playback in "pseudo" HDR conversion by the player.
The only situation where I need to still flip the switch is when playing back 3D movies (DV=on disables 3D playback).
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Does leaving it on produce poor results with everything being sent at DV? Or is it just a "thing" that bothers people? Unless it's outputting garbage quality with it left on when viewing SDR or HDR10 content, I don't see it as an issue.
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On my X700 I leave it on for (almost) always.
HDR10 discs do not suffer at all when played baci in DV=on (except your TV may have different settings for DV and HDR output modes).
Lately I also can bear the SDR playback in "pseudo" HDR conversion by the player.
The only situation where I need to still flip the switch is when playing back 3D movies (DV=on disables 3D playback).
So which is it? Haha.
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So which is it? Haha.
It will depend a lot on the capabilities of your screen. On mine, the difference is non-discernible for HDR10 sources.
As for whether you can live with pseudo-HDR created from SDR source is exactly the same question that was heavily discussed back in the day when appleTV 4K launched. Very individual.
For a good movie - I would turn it off, but for occasional music- or demo video, I don't bother.
PS some people attribute the image difference (eg between HDR10 and Dolby Vision) incorrectly to the format, when it actually is the different picture settings for both modes.
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With its ability to spin SACD and DVD-Audio discs, Ken Pohlmann called the feature-packed UBP-X800M2 4K Blu-ray player about as close to a universal media player as you can get. The player supports hi-res audio and three high dynamic range (HDR) formats — Dolby Vision, HDR10, and HLG (Hybrid Log-Gamma) — in addition to streaming 4K content from Netflix and YouTube, upscaling HD content to 4K resolution, and passing through Dolby Atmos and DTS:X surround sound. The player will sell for $300 when it ships in mid-May.
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That's a pretty good deal. The issue for me is whether the Panny 820 is worth the extra $200 for the Optimizer. I think I might buy the Panny when the price comes down.

I own the original X800 which I bought new at a bargain price. I also have the Cambridge Audio CXU which has analog outputs and SACD and DVD-Audio capabilities.
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So this is the manual for the X800M2 on Sony's site. Do you think since there is only On or Off and not an Auto setting it means that DV won't Auto Detect?


From manual: [Dolby Vision Output][On]: Output 4K/Dolby Vision signals via 4K/Dolby Vision-compatible devices.[Off]: Automatically outputs HDR signals when you connect any 4K/HDR or 4K/Dolby Vision-compatible equipment.

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So this is the manual for the X800M2 on Sony's site. Do you think since there is only On or Off and not an Auto setting it means that DV won't Auto Detect?


From manual: [Dolby Vision Output][On]: Output 4K/Dolby Vision signals via 4K/Dolby Vision-compatible devices.[Off]: Automatically outputs HDR signals when you connect any 4K/HDR or 4K/Dolby Vision-compatible equipment.
Thex700 says exactly the same thing page 31 does not look too promising. Deal killer for me.
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